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Blewitt was 15-for-24 this year. That's barely over 60%. That's not good enough.

Especially with the missed chip shots he had this year that killed Pitt momentum.

The fact that he made a 56-yarder against GT shouldn't take away from the fact that he was very inconsistent and undependable.

I know we're bringing in a gray-shirt kicker.... but that doesn't help us next year. Blewitt lost the Duke game last year, was instrumental in the Miami loss this year, and simply is too inconsistent.

It may be his job next season anyway, just because of there being no competition for him. But it is a position of need for sure.
 
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It appears he was 10th in the ACC in FG%. While not great, I don't see this as a major issue, especially when you consider the leg strength.
 
It appears he was 10th in the ACC in FG%. While not great, I don't see this as a major issue, especially when you consider the leg strength.
10th out of 14 isn't good.

And it isn't just the percentages..... it is that a lot of the misses the past two years have been chip shots. It's one thing to miss a 53 yarder. It is quite another to miss a 29 yarder.
 
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Eh its college. People miss. Baylor missed as I was typing that. Not very high up on the concerns list.
 
I never understood why so few coaches think of special teams as an important weapon, and recruit and manage personnel accordingly. Especially for a program that is trying to re-establish itself like Pitt. Why not steal a page from Frank Beamer? Special teams play worked pretty darn well for him all those years. It became part of the Hokie mystique.

Surely you can find guys with the motors to play on the kick and return teams. Finding solid return men and kickers is another matter. But a big play on special teams can turn around a game, while a missed chippy FFG or a shanked punt is so disheartening.

Pitt can't afford to hit 60% of its field goals unless the Panthers are hanging 40 on the board every week.
 
Yeah, that 13 yard punt that the Navy punter dropped on us yesterday certainly did bring their whole team down.

When it happened, it the score was 14-7 Navy. Pitt started to drive right after that and then Peterman threw the pick when Orndorff and Boyd somehow managed to run their routes to the same place.

It had the potential to be a momentum shifting shanked punt, but then Peterman gave the momentum right back to Navy.

If you think there is nothing damaging about having your punter shank a punt for 13 yards, I don't know what to say to you.

Specials teams matter. A lot more than you think.
 
Specials teams matter. A lot more than you think.


Actually they don't. They didn't matter yesterday much at all. Sometimes they matter a good deal. Sometimes they do not. Sometimes a team not only shanks a 13 yard punt but they also give up a kickoff return for a touchdown and all that does is make their margin of victory a little smaller than it otherwise would have been. The 13 yard punt didn't damage Navy yesterday not even one little bit.

If you could pick to be good at two of the three "phases" of the game at the expense of being bad at the third everyone, and I do mean literally everyone, would choose to be good at offense and defense and bad at special teams. Because offense and defense are much, much more important.

Oh, and that big drive that Pitt had after the 13 yard punt? Yeah, that drive went all of 11 yards before the interception. We sure were showing them who was the boss on that one! Lucky for them we couldn't continue that sort of domination all day long.
 
What's up with the kicker from West A, he looked pretty darn good when he was a soph
 
Actually they don't. They didn't matter yesterday much at all. Sometimes they matter a good deal. Sometimes they do not. Sometimes a team not only shanks a 13 yard punt but they also give up a kickoff return for a touchdown and all that does is make their margin of victory a little smaller than it otherwise would have been. The 13 yard punt didn't damage Navy yesterday not even one little bit.

If you could pick to be good at two of the three "phases" of the game at the expense of being bad at the third everyone, and I do mean literally everyone, would choose to be good at offense and defense and bad at special teams. Because offense and defense are much, much more important.

Oh, and that big drive that Pitt had after the 13 yard punt? Yeah, that drive went all of 11 yards before the interception. We sure were showing them who was the boss on that one! Lucky for them we couldn't continue that sort of domination all day long.

- WVU would've played in the 2007 BCS championship game if Pat McAfee doesn't miss two chip shot kicks against Pitt.

- Auburn played in the BCS championship game against FSU 2 years ago because of a 100+ yard runback of a missed FG against Alabama.

- Pitt would've been in the 2009 Sugar or Orange Bowl if not for a PR TD by Gilyard of Cincy and a botched extra point.

- Michigan State isn't in the Playoffs this year if Michigan's punter doesn't botch a snap.

- Notre Dame doesn't play in the BCS championship game in 2012 if Pitt doesn't miss a chip shot FG in OT.

As to this statement: "If you could pick to be good at two of the three "phases" of the game at the expense of being bad at the third everyone, and I do mean literally everyone, would choose to be good at offense and defense and bad at special teams. Because offense and defense are much, much more important."

It's not a mutually exclusive situation. Having a quality kicker and punter in no way impacts how good your defensive and offensive units are.
 
Actually they don't. They didn't matter yesterday much at all. Sometimes they matter a good deal. Sometimes they do not. Sometimes a team not only shanks a 13 yard punt but they also give up a kickoff return for a touchdown and all that does is make their margin of victory a little smaller than it otherwise would have been. The 13 yard punt didn't damage Navy yesterday not even one little bit.

If you could pick to be good at two of the three "phases" of the game at the expense of being bad at the third everyone, and I do mean literally everyone, would choose to be good at offense and defense and bad at special teams. Because offense and defense are much, much more important.

Oh, and that big drive that Pitt had after the 13 yard punt? Yeah, that drive went all of 11 yards before the interception. We sure were showing them who was the boss on that one! Lucky for them we couldn't continue that sort of domination all day long.
Special teams matter a great deal, and every HC knows that. Sound punting, kicking and the ability to dictate field position are huge weapons. It isn't easy to find those guys, there aren't that many of them out there.
 
- WVU would've played in the 2007 BCS championship game if Pat McAfee doesn't miss two chip shot kicks against Pitt.

- Auburn played in the BCS championship game against FSU 2 years ago because of a 100+ yard runback of a missed FG against Alabama.

- Pitt would've been in the 2009 Sugar or Orange Bowl if not for a PR TD by Gilyard of Cincy and a botched extra point.

- Michigan State isn't in the Playoffs this year if Michigan's punter doesn't botch a snap.

- Notre Dame doesn't play in the BCS championship game in 2012 if Pitt doesn't miss a chip shot FG in OT.

As to this statement: "If you could pick to be good at two of the three "phases" of the game at the expense of being bad at the third everyone, and I do mean literally everyone, would choose to be good at offense and defense and bad at special teams. Because offense and defense are much, much more important."

It's not a mutually exclusive situation. Having a quality kicker and punter in no way impacts how good your defensive and offensive units are.

Don't confuse the rest of the posters with FACTS. The nerve of you.
 
Special teams matter a great deal, and every HC knows that. Sound punting, kicking and the ability to dictate field position are huge weapons. It isn't easy to find those guys, there aren't that many of them out there.

If Paul Chryst were still here he'd be recruiting a guy named Sam Isuck as our next Place Kicker.
 
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If Chris Boswell was the Steelers' kicker at the start of the season, Pittsburgh doesn't lose the first Ravens game and maybe wins the Patriots game.

Just by not having Josh Scobee as their PK for the first 6 games of the season, the Steelers would be 10-5 or 11-4 right now and playing for seeding instead of hoping for a miracle.
 
It's not a mutually exclusive situation. Having a quality kicker and punter in no way impacts how good your defensive and offensive units are.


Of course it isn't. But it does show you which one is, by far, the least important of the three.

As to your examples, in every single one of those games I can cite dozens, and I do literally mean dozens, of plays by the offense and the defense that if they had just come out differently would have affected the outcome of the game just as much. For instance in the Michigan - Michigan State game this year, on the last Michigan drive what if Michigan would have run for a first down on one of their three plays before the punt? Doing that would have meant that they didn't even need to punt the ball. Or what if on the Michigan State possession before that Connor Cook didn't take a sack when Michigan State was on the Michigan 36 yard line, and then follow that up by throwing three straight incompletions? Then maybe Michigan State just kicks a field goal and wins 24-23. Or what about the possession before that when after they got to the Michigan 40 yard line Cook threw three straight incompletions, the third of which hit his receiver right in the hands? What if he had completed one or two of those passes? The one that hit the guy in the hands would have given Michigan State a first down. Or what about the possession early in the fourth quarter when Michigan took over the ball at the Michigan State 28 yard line but couldn't get a first down and had to settle for a field goal? What if they had scored a touchdown there? Or what about the Michigan State possession that spanned the end of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter, when they got to the Michigan 32 yard line and then threw four incomplete passes in a row to turn the ball over on downs? What if they had run the ball there and gotten into field goal range? What if they had completed one of those passes and gotten another first down?

See how this works? In a close game we can go back and look at literally dozens of plays, including a few special teams plays, and say that if that play would have just turned out differently it could have changed the whole outcome of the game. And the fact of the matter is that almost all of those dozens of plays are offense/defense plays and not special teams plays. Do you know why? Because there are a lot more of them. Which makes those two phases of the game a lot more important.
 
Of course it isn't. But it does show you which one is, by far, the least important of the three.

As to your examples, in every single one of those games I can cite dozens, and I do literally mean dozens, of plays by the offense and the defense that if they had just come out differently would have affected the outcome of the game just as much. For instance in the Michigan - Michigan State game this year, on the last Michigan drive what if Michigan would have run for a first down on one of their three plays before the punt? Doing that would have meant that they didn't even need to punt the ball. Or what if on the Michigan State possession before that Connor Cook didn't take a sack when Michigan State was on the Michigan 36 yard line, and then follow that up by throwing three straight incompletions? Then maybe Michigan State just kicks a field goal and wins 24-23. Or what about the possession before that when after they got to the Michigan 40 yard line Cook threw three straight incompletions, the third of which hit his receiver right in the hands? What if he had completed one or two of those passes? The one that hit the guy in the hands would have given Michigan State a first down. Or what about the possession early in the fourth quarter when Michigan took over the ball at the Michigan State 28 yard line but couldn't get a first down and had to settle for a field goal? What if they had scored a touchdown there? Or what about the Michigan State possession that spanned the end of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter, when they got to the Michigan 32 yard line and then threw four incomplete passes in a row to turn the ball over on downs? What if they had run the ball there and gotten into field goal range? What if they had completed one of those passes and gotten another first down?

See how this works? In a close game we can go back and look at literally dozens of plays, including a few special teams plays, and say that if that play would have just turned out differently it could have changed the whole outcome of the game. And the fact of the matter is that almost all of those dozens of plays are offense/defense plays and not special teams plays. Do you know why? Because there are a lot more of them. Which makes those two phases of the game a lot more important.

The plays I listed were notable because of the simplistic nature of the results. These weren't 53-yard FGs.

McAfee missed a 19-yarder and a 24-yarder against Pitt. Those are extra points. They should be able to be taken for granted, no exceptional effort required.

The Michigan punter simply needed to catch the snap. Didn't even need to punt the ball. Just catch a snap that is right to him. That should be able to be taken for granted.

Similarly for Pitt in 2009.... simply having the holder catch a clean snap, and the extra point isn't botched, at worst the game goes OT.

A bad kicker can't be hidden. A bad LB can be replaced or "hidden" within the scheme if the other 10 guys are good. A bad single player on offense or defense, except for the QB, can be hidden somewhat.

So while defense and offense represent 150 plays per game and special teams represent around 30 plays per game..... those 30 plays are the difference between winning and losing often enough to matter.

As to the topic of my OP..... a bad PK cannot be hidden. And it is one player in which an upgrade is immediately evident. Exhibit A is the 2015 Steelers.

Of course, given the choice between a top notch QB and a top notch PK, everyone would take the QB. But that's a false choice that never really exists.

Upgrading the PK in *NO* way impacts the ability to upgrade the offense and defense. For college teams, a single scholarship spot for a quality kicker is more valuable than a 4th-team OL who never sees the field. For pro teams, a quality kicker almost never impacts the salary cap so it doesn't impact the quality of your other units.

The subject of the OP was this.... Chris Blewitt isn't good enough. His missed kicks directly impacted the strategy in the Miami game. His missed chip shot yesterday was meaningful in this way: After Whitehead's TD, Pitt would've been within one score. Again after Ollison's long TD, Pitt would've been within one score. That changes the strategy BOTH teams employ the rest of the game. His missed chip shot was a gut punch to the team, just as his missed kicks against Miami were. You are underestimating the value of those missed kicks.

Now... if you are done being obtuse and looking for an argument, maybe you can address the actual subject of the OP. Should we be looking at bringing in a quality kicker to supplant Blewitt.... before he costs us a game or two next year?
 
If Chris Boswell was the Steelers' kicker at the start of the season, Pittsburgh doesn't lose the first Ravens game and maybe wins the Patriots game.

Just by not having Josh Scobee as their PK for the first 6 games of the season, the Steelers would be 10-5 or 11-4 right now and playing for seeding instead of hoping for a miracle.

Agree about Blewitt but NFL is a completely different animal. Most games come down to the final minutes and having a competent kicker is much more crucial.
 
- WVU would've played in the 2007 BCS championship game if Pat McAfee doesn't miss two chip shot kicks against Pitt.

- Auburn played in the BCS championship game against FSU 2 years ago because of a 100+ yard runback of a missed FG against Alabama.

- Pitt would've been in the 2009 Sugar or Orange Bowl if not for a PR TD by Gilyard of Cincy and a botched extra point.

- Michigan State isn't in the Playoffs this year if Michigan's punter doesn't botch a snap.

- Notre Dame doesn't play in the BCS championship game in 2012 if Pitt doesn't miss a chip shot FG in OT.

As to this statement: "If you could pick to be good at two of the three "phases" of the game at the expense of being bad at the third everyone, and I do mean literally everyone, would choose to be good at offense and defense and bad at special teams. Because offense and defense are much, much more important."

It's not a mutually exclusive situation. Having a quality kicker and punter in no way impacts how good your defensive and offensive units are.
You realize Pitt led cincy by 6 points in the final minutes, right ?
But failed to get a defensive stop to win the game.

And wvu lost to usf before Pitt because they turned the ball over like 5 times?

You're making the free throws are important argument when we miss one at the end of the game , and forgetting all of the other lost opportunities .
 
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The plays I listed were notable because of the simplistic nature of the results. These weren't 53-yard FGs.

McAfee missed a 19-yarder and a 24-yarder against Pitt. Those are extra points. They should be able to be taken for granted, no exceptional effort required.

The Michigan punter simply needed to catch the snap. Didn't even need to punt the ball. Just catch a snap that is right to him. That should be able to be taken for granted.

Similarly for Pitt in 2009.... simply having the holder catch a clean snap, and the extra point isn't botched, at worst the game goes OT.

A bad kicker can't be hidden. A bad LB can be replaced or "hidden" within the scheme if the other 10 guys are good. A bad single player on offense or defense, except for the QB, can be hidden somewhat.

So while defense and offense represent 150 plays per game and special teams represent around 30 plays per game..... those 30 plays are the difference between winning and losing often enough to matter.

As to the topic of my OP..... a bad PK cannot be hidden. And it is one player in which an upgrade is immediately evident. Exhibit A is the 2015 Steelers.

Of course, given the choice between a top notch QB and a top notch PK, everyone would take the QB. But that's a false choice that never really exists.

Upgrading the PK in *NO* way impacts the ability to upgrade the offense and defense. For college teams, a single scholarship spot for a quality kicker is more valuable than a 4th-team OL who never sees the field. For pro teams, a quality kicker almost never impacts the salary cap so it doesn't impact the quality of your other units.

The subject of the OP was this.... Chris Blewitt isn't good enough. His missed kicks directly impacted the strategy in the Miami game. His missed chip shot yesterday was meaningful in this way: After Whitehead's TD, Pitt would've been within one score. Again after Ollison's long TD, Pitt would've been within one score. That changes the strategy BOTH teams employ the rest of the game. His missed chip shot was a gut punch to the team, just as his missed kicks against Miami were. You are underestimating the value of those missed kicks.

Now... if you are done being obtuse and looking for an argument, maybe you can address the actual subject of the OP. Should we be looking at bringing in a quality kicker to supplant Blewitt.... before he costs us a game or two next year?
The problem with playing "what if..." games is that it leaves you open to other "what ifs" in the same game.

For example:

*In the Pitt-WVU 13-9 game, I'll give WVU those 2 missed FG's, provided that I get back those two phantom holding calls that negated a probable Pitt touchdown. So Pitt still beats Hoopie U. anyway.

*The same thing with our missed FG versus Notre Dame: if the refs don't homer Pitt and would've the obvious correct calls (wasn't there about 4 of 'em?), Pitt still beats Notre Dame. (For all we know, if Pitt made that FG, we might have seen a "late flag" for holding - whatever it took to take that FG off the board.)

See how that works? :D

As an aside - If you recall, the refs badly screwed Stanford, too, when they played Notre Dame. They wanted ND in that title game - whatever it took to get them there.
 
It appears he was 10th in the ACC in FG%. While not great, I don't see this as a major issue, especially when you consider the leg strength.
leg strength? Much like having a massive Johnson it does you no good unless you can get the job done between the pipes....am I wrong?
 
You realize Pitt led cincy by 6 points in the final minutes, right ?
But failed to get a defensive stop to win the game.

And wvu lost to usf before Pitt because they turned the ball over like 5 times?

You're making the free throws are important argument when we miss one at the end of the game , and forgetting all of the other lost opportunities .

- Without a blown PAT on Pitt's final touchdown, they would've led by 7 points. Then their failure to get a stop would've meant OT instead of a loss. And OT is a 50/50 proposition.

- WVU was ranked #2 and with a win over Pitt would've locked into the BCS championship game. Them losing to USF was immaterial at the time of the Pitt game. The way things shook out, they were #2 and controlled their own destiny. Pitt's upset win allowed a 2-loss LSU team to sneak into the BCS title game where they throttled Ohio State.

If Pat McAfee makes two chip shot FGs, WVU plays Jim Tressel's overrated OSU squad and Rich Rodriguez probably wins WVU's first national championship and is probably still coaching there.

McAfee's missed chip shots directly impacted the future of several football programs and coaches:

- As noted, Rodriguez probably doesn't leave for Michigan. Michigan was all set to make Les Miles an offer he couldn't refuse. But with LSU playing in the title game, Miles and his agent shutdown all talks with Michigan and Michigan, not wanting to wait until after New Year's to name their coach, decided to go after Rodriguez instead. 12-1-07 changed the futures of WVU, Pitt, Michigan, and LSU.... at least.

An argument could be made that McAfee missing what amounted to two PATs were the single-most impactful on-field plays in the past 25 years at WVU. Rich Rodriguez, Dana Holgorsen, Brady Hoke, Les Miles, and Jim Harbaugh would be coaching somewhere other than where they are right now. 5,000,000 residents of WV would have "WVU, 2007 National Champs" banners in their homes. WVU might be in the ACC or SEC.

All because of two taken-for-granted special teams plays.
 
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- Without a blown PAT on Pitt's final touchdown, they would've led by 7 points. Then their failure to get a stop would've meant OT instead of a loss. And OT is a 50/50 proposition.

- WVU was ranked #2 and with a win over Pitt would've locked into the BCS championship game. Them losing to USF was immaterial at the time of the Pitt game. The way things shook out, they were #2 and controlled their own destiny. Pitt's upset win allowed a 2-loss LSU team to sneak into the BCS title game where they throttled Ohio State.

If Pat McAfee makes two chip shot FGs, WVU plays Jim Tressel's overrated OSU squad and Rich Rodriguez probably wins WVU's first national championship and is probably still coaching there.

McAfee's missed chip shots directly impacted the future of several football programs and coaches:

- As noted, Rodriguez probably doesn't leave for Michigan. Michigan was all set to make Les Miles an offer he couldn't refuse. But with LSU playing in the title game, Miles and his agent shutdown all talks with Michigan and Michigan, not wanting to wait until after New Year's to name their coach, decided to go after Rodriguez instead. 12-1-07 changed the futures of WVU, Pitt, Michigan, and LSU.... at least.

An argument could be made that McAfee missing what amounted to two PATs were the single-most impactful on-field plays in the past 25 years at WVU. Rich Rodriguez, Dana Holgorsen, Brady Hoke, Les Miles, and Jim Harbaugh would be coaching somewhere other than where they are right now. 5,000,000 residents of WV would have "WVU, 2007 National Champs" banners in their homes. WVU might be in the ACC or SEC.

All because of two taken-for-granted special teams plays.
Thanks like I said, wasn't special teams it was the defense which surrendered the lead to cincy.
 
Thanks like I said, wasn't special teams it was the defense which surrendered the lead to cincy.

And like I said... without the special teams gaffe, Cincy would've merely tied the game and forced OT, not won the game.

Not to mention the OTHER special teams gaffe in which we punted to Gilyard.

Special teams gaffes cost Pitt 8 points in a game they lost by 1.
 
If Pat McAfee makes two chip shot FGs


Then the whole rest of the game plays out differently. That you apparently don't seem to understand that is telling.

You mention the first Stiller - Ravens game as showing that you are right. What if Joe Flacco didn't throw an interception deep in Stiller territory in the first half, which cost them at least a field goal if not a touchdown? What if Joe Flacco didn't fumble the ball deep in his own territory at the beginning of the third quarter which set the Stillers up for a short touchdown drive? That means either 3 or 7 more points for the Ravens and 7 less points for the Stillers. Why weren't those plays as important or even more important than a missed field goal in your mind? Didn't the Ravens handing the Stillers 7 points on a silver platter potentially have a greater impact on the game than the 3 points the Stillers missed out on on the short field goal, or even the 6 points they missed out on including the long one? What if instead if the Stillers being ahead 20-14 entering the 4th quarter what if they were behind 17-13? Wouldn't you imagine that the decisions the teams made over the rest of the game would have played out just a little bit differently? If the Stillers were behind 17-13 with a minute to go in the game then Scobee doesn't miss the short field goal, because the Stillers don't even kick the short field goal. So why don't all those earlier plays matter every bit as much as the missed kick?

Of course you want your kicker to make all his field goals. Of course making field goals is better than missing them. But there is so much more that goes on besides those kicks that to focus on the kicks to the exclusion of all the other things that happened over the course of the game is shortsighted. And to not understand that the game will play out completely differently whether a kick gets made or missed early in the game is to not understand the way games get played.
 
Special teams gaffes cost Pitt 8 points in a game they lost by 1.

Why are the 7 points the special teams gave up on the kick return more important than the 38 points that the defense gave up during the course of the game (excluding the kick return)? I'd argue that 38 is a whole lot bigger than 7, which means that giving up the 38 was a whole lot worse than giving up the 7, but you seem to not agree. So why? Why were the 7 so important but not the 38?
 
I'm with you on this point, '89. The kid has a strong leg, but he misses waaaay too many bunnies that just stun the momentum out of the team. That missed 20-something yarder at Navy was so reminiscent of that botched bunny vs. Duke last year.

I'd be recruiting soccer players right now if I had to, but Blewitt would be EARNING his way back to FG kicking... not inheriting the #1 PK role in 2016.
 
Why are the 7 points the special teams gave up on the kick return more important than the 38 points that the defense gave up during the course of the game (excluding the kick return)? I'd argue that 38 is a whole lot bigger than 7, which means that giving up the 38 was a whole lot worse than giving up the 7, but you seem to not agree. So why? Why were the 7 so important but not the 38?
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Because special teams gaffes are much more preventable than the other team out-executing and out-game-planning you from scrimmage. There's nothing the other team can do to make a holder drop a clean snap. Or to make a kicker miss-hit the ball after a clean snap or hold. There's nothing the other team can do to prevent your punter from kicking the ball out of bounds instead of to their dangerous returner.

Special teams gaffes are the most correctable, because they require no action by the opponent to prevent.

I can't prevent the other teams offense from running an offensive play. I *CAN* prevent them from having a kick or punt return. I can't make another team's holder or punter drop a perfectly clean snap. It's the reason missed FTs hurt so much in basketball - the other team couldn't prevent you from making the FT - it's all on you.

Special teams in football, especially with respect to kickers, punters, and holders, are like that. If you execute properly, it doesn't matter what the other team does.

And finally.... you seem to have some weird thought process that came to the conclusion that upgrading a PK deficiency on a team somehow prevents upgrading the offense or defense.

Again.... you veer off topic and are fighting with a strawman. This thread is about Pitt needing to upgrade the PK position. There is nothing exclusionary about this. Upgrading the PK does not, in any way, impact their ability to upgrade anything else. Upgrading the PK does not take focus away from anything else.
 
Of course it isn't. But it does show you which one is, by far, the least important of the three.

As to your examples, in every single one of those games I can cite dozens, and I do literally mean dozens, of plays by the offense and the defense that if they had just come out differently would have affected the outcome of the game just as much. For instance in the Michigan - Michigan State game this year, on the last Michigan drive what if Michigan would have run for a first down on one of their three plays before the punt? Doing that would have meant that they didn't even need to punt the ball. Or what if on the Michigan State possession before that Connor Cook didn't take a sack when Michigan State was on the Michigan 36 yard line, and then follow that up by throwing three straight incompletions? Then maybe Michigan State just kicks a field goal and wins 24-23. Or what about the possession before that when after they got to the Michigan 40 yard line Cook threw three straight incompletions, the third of which hit his receiver right in the hands? What if he had completed one or two of those passes? The one that hit the guy in the hands would have given Michigan State a first down. Or what about the possession early in the fourth quarter when Michigan took over the ball at the Michigan State 28 yard line but couldn't get a first down and had to settle for a field goal? What if they had scored a touchdown there? Or what about the Michigan State possession that spanned the end of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter, when they got to the Michigan 32 yard line and then threw four incomplete passes in a row to turn the ball over on downs? What if they had run the ball there and gotten into field goal range? What if they had completed one of those passes and gotten another first down?

See how this works? In a close game we can go back and look at literally dozens of plays, including a few special teams plays, and say that if that play would have just turned out differently it could have changed the whole outcome of the game. And the fact of the matter is that almost all of those dozens of plays are offense/defense plays and not special teams plays. Do you know why? Because there are a lot more of them. Which makes those two phases of the game a lot more important.
Every play matters, and the best teams play that way. On the example of the Michigan/MSU game, I would add that Michigan had the lead with 10 seconds left in large part because they dictated MSU's field position all game with excellent special teams play, including an 80 yard punt downed at the MSU 2 yard line. Their offense didn't do $hit most of the game, but their special teams units kept MSU on a long field all game long and the UM offense played on a short field all game long. Ironic that UM lost that game on a special teams play when it was special teams and defense that put them in position to win it all. The simple fact of the matter is good teams are sound in all 3 phases. Talk to a coach, they never discount special teams.
 
Blewitt was 15-for-24 this year. That's barely over 60%. That's not good enough.

Especially with the missed chip shots he had this year that killed Pitt momentum.

The fact that he made a 56-yarder against GT shouldn't take away from the fact that he was very inconsistent and undependable.

I know we're bringing in a gray-shirt kicker.... but that doesn't help us next year. Blewitt lost the Duke game last year, was instrumental in the Miami loss this year, and simply is too inconsistent.

It may be his job next season anyway, just because of there being no competition for him. But it is a position of need for sure.

One player doesn't loose a game. The team wins and looses games.
 
One player doesn't loose a game. The team wins and looses games.

Of course.... but any position that is deficient should be upgraded, so that it isn't a position of weakness that could contribute to losing (not "loosing") games.

And PK is a position that Pitt needs to upgrade.
 
If Pat McAfee makes two chip shot FGs

To play this game, then Connor Lee makes his missed FG too. WVU still loses.

Special teams did lose that game for WVU, but not so much the missed FGs. The Pitt fake punt for a 1st down and the fumble on the kick return just after half time killed WVU whereas the missed FGs only wounded them.
 
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Talk to a coach, they never discount special teams.


I've never discounted special teams either. I discount the notion that in a game of 150 plays that pointing to one specific play that the special teams made or did not make as being the reason why a team won or lost a game is silly. There are lots of reasons and lots of plays that determine the outcome of games. To me this is just like the people who sit there after a basketball game and say that their team lost by five and missed six foul shots so if they just made all their foul shots they would have won. Those people never seem to point out the dozens (literally) of shots from the field that the team missed as the reason for the loss. It's never the unforced turnovers that are the reason for the loss. It's always foul shots for them. It's a completely narrow-minded look at the game, just like saying that if you change this special teams play or that special teams play we would have won the game. Why not change one or two of the other 150 plays while we're at it? Isn't that just as valid, except there are a whole heck of a lot more of them that you could change?
 
I've never discounted special teams either. I discount the notion that in a game of 150 plays that pointing to one specific play that the special teams made or did not make as being the reason why a team won or lost a game is silly. There are lots of reasons and lots of plays that determine the outcome of games. To me this is just like the people who sit there after a basketball game and say that their team lost by five and missed six foul shots so if they just made all their foul shots they would have won. Those people never seem to point out the dozens (literally) of shots from the field that the team missed as the reason for the loss. It's never the unforced turnovers that are the reason for the loss. It's always foul shots for them. It's a completely narrow-minded look at the game, just like saying that if you change this special teams play or that special teams play we would have won the game. Why not change one or two of the other 150 plays while we're at it? Isn't that just as valid, except there are a whole heck of a lot more of them that you could change?
Because special teams gaffes are unforced errors. Missed FTs are unforced errors.

It is one thing to have a play from scrimmage fail... the other team was involved in that.

But a missed chip shot FG is an unforced error. A failure to punt a ball out of bounds is an unforced error. A missed FT is an unforced error. The opponent played no role in it.

Special teams gaffes are easier to avoid, because the other team had nothing to do with them.

And AGAIN, you diverted from the subject of the OP... which is simply that Pitt needs to upgrade at PK. It is a way to get better in an area that costs nothing more than a scholarship.

I expect you to change the subject again, it is what you do.

But can you at least ONCE address the subject of the thread?
 
Because special teams gaffes are unforced errors. Missed FTs are unforced errors.

It is one thing to have a play from scrimmage fail... the other team was involved in that.

But a missed chip shot FG is an unforced error. A failure to punt a ball out of bounds is an unforced error. A missed FT is an unforced error. The opponent played no role in it.

Special teams gaffes are easier to avoid, because the other team had nothing to do with them.

And AGAIN, you diverted from the subject of the OP... which is simply that Pitt needs to upgrade at PK. It is a way to get better in an area that costs nothing more than a scholarship.

I expect you to change the subject again, it is what you do.

But can you at least ONCE address the subject of the thread?


I haven't changed the subject one time. I specifically address what YOU posted in post number 12 of this thread. If you don't think that what I have posted is germane to "the subject" then why did YOU change the subject in the first place?

A missed chip shot FG is an unforced error. A failure to punt a ball out of bounds is an unforced error. And so on. Yep, I agree. A dropped pass is also an unforced error. An interception can frequently be an unforced error (for instance the one the Clemson threw at the end of the first half today). A missed block can be as well. Not wrapping up and missing a tackle. Blowing an assignment on defense so you aren't in position to stop a play. And on and on an on. You only want to focus on a very narrow subset of unforced errors, as if none of the other ones exist. If you want to keep doing that that's fine, but I'll continue to point out that what you are doing is silly.

Similarly, I'd like Pitt to upgrade at every position, not just place kicker. We could certainly use an upgrade at quarterback. And on the offensive line. And we could desperately use a few better receivers. And linebacker is crying out for an upgrade. Not to mention defensive line. And I think we'd all agree that we need better play out of the cornerbacks. And our punter was certainly inconsistent this year. And more. There's a reason why we not only aren't playing today, we aren't all that close to being at that level. We need upgrades all over the field.

I guess the good news is that to get better in those areas it doesn't cost anything more than a scholarship.
 
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