Whatever your politics this was really well done
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I say this while maintaining my masculinity…
Joe is an odd one. He was a good looking guy in the 60’s. That’s probably why he plagiarized everything and still only finished in the bottom 10% of his Syracuse law school class. He was probably having lots of fun every night with the ladies. Then he lost his hair immediately in the early 70’s and had the bad comb over going. He remained that way until around the time he became VP. He had dental work done, maybe got a few hair plugs and turned into a good looking older man.
There was a coup. You remember? He didn’t have a choice. Democracy n’at.
Oh, the coup was planned 4 years prior when they had to settle for giving Joe the nomination. Those idiots didn't get the hint the first time when Kamala was rejected. They just had to try again. But if they weren't going to have a primary, they should have just stuck with Joe.
They screwed Bernie 2 cycles ago and now I’m seeing a Bernie/AOC 2028 DNC ticket noise online.
Bernie will be 87 which isn’t so bad when you consider that’s AOCs IQ.
Bernie's working to hand off his followers to AOC. He won't run again. With the Dems in disarray, AOC just might become the face of the party for a while.
And here I thought the party would eventually rebound.
He still seems very much with it, but his time has passed and I will never forgive any Dem even remotely involved for taking part in the rigging. That goes for Warren. Mayor Pete. Bero. Klobachar. Hillary. Wasserman Schultz. Every single one of them and their coconspirators in the media.
They will. It will take a few cycles. They need a strong leader to rise to the top. AOC isn't it and she won't be it in '28 or ever. Someone could come out of the blue but the odds-on favorite for '28 has to be Vance, assuming the Trump agenda works out as hoped. No Dem in Congress has a shot. Some moderate govs like yours in PA, mine in NC, and the guy in KY could put up a fight, but they may not survive a primary if progressives build a following during the disarray. A left-winger could win the nomination but would never win the election. They should be grooming someone for '32 or later if they can ever figure out what they are for rather than what they are against, and those things they are for align with voters.
Also, AOC will have a very big decision to make. Will she continue down the Dem road of Woke stupidity where it's ok for naturally born men to compete in women's sports and defund the police is a great idea? Or will she make a pivot and focus on the blue color middle class former Dem voters who feel like the party has left them behind?
A left winger candidate can easily win the general, if they are allowed to win the nomination. A woke left candidate can't win the general. There's a difference.
Therein lies her/their problem. The blue collar middle class just may have been lost to the Dems for a long time. That group finally recognized they had been lied to while the Dems pandered with giveaways to other groups. A pivot back might lose their biggest demographic - educated women, who feel empathy for the downtrodden who have been pandered to.
Woke and left-wing are the same to me.
A bigger factor is that multiple polls show young voters are turning more conservative.
When you have 258 of 260 Dems in congress vote against women and in favor of men playing in their sports, then yeah you’re absolutely right until they start getting the balls to buck the party and vote common sense.
These are just labels of course, but do you differentiate between woke , left wing and liberal? And upon what basis?
I consider myself a non woke left winger. Although I also think the linear left/right scale is kind of outdated, or maybe never accurate to begin with?
I don't think my views are extreme. Polling shows that most Americans don't want men in women's sports, and want to see the minimum wage raises and have a favorable view of government health coverage. Giving everyone health coverage including mental health care is a necessity considering the increase in school shootings and.the number of young men thinking they are women.
I'm also in favor or more regulation of the financial sector. Consumer protection. Credit card interest rates should be capped. Our food production system should focus more on being made healthier. By that I don't me telling people what to eat. Just get the crap out of it.
I also think we need to improve out rail infrastructure and not continue down the road of privatizing passenger rail. We need a bigger and faster system, especially for routes in the rail sweet spot. That's something like a 100-500 mile trip where rail is more efficient than planes. We should easily be able to travel from Pittsburgh to Cleveland or DC by train. Right now it's a pain in the ass.
Yeah you’re right she’s a genius. You guys should definitely run her in 28. Please do it.
She might not be a genius but at least she didn't bankrupt a casino and married a Russian porn star.
By 2028 the Rethuglicans will be a small part of the electorate.
Yeah she may have never run a casino but I heard she makes a great martini. I fully endorse her as the 2028 democratic candidate.
AOC earned a bachelor's degree in international relations and economics. Even with honors, it's still a glorified business degree. But it is an accomplishment. She also won a Congressional seat. Another accomplishment. I think she is self confident and relatively fearless. She has personality, communication skills, and other talents.
But she is still young and has much to learn. She still gets schooled at times during hearings, as we've seen. She is great with the left, but she has little crossover appeal at this point in time As she grows in her position, I'll be interested to see how her views change.
More than all that, she has been the recipient of support from the Party leadership. We'll see if she can transition from being empowered by the Party to being one of those who direct which politicians are empowered. That's the key to success - her networking skills. In time, she could become a formidable politician.
But she is still young and has much to learn. She still gets schooled at times during hearings, as we've seen. She is great with the left, but she has little crossover appeal at this point in time As she grows in her position, I'll be interested to see how her views change.
More than all that, she has been the recipient of support from the Party leadership. We'll see if she can transition from being empowered by the Party to being one of those who direct which politicians are empowered. That's the key to success - her networking skills. In time, she could become a formidable politician.
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All that might be true, other than the communication skills. She talks like a kardashian and can’t debate. Imagine her negotiating deals as the executive of our country…my lord. She might be book smart, but do you think she’d be brave enough to debate a non college grad like a Charlie Kirk? She would not and could not do it. If she’s afraid to debate Charlie Kirk, imagine discussions with aggressive adversaries in a ground war or trade war?
I've viewed you as anything but extreme. I find your posts interesting. Hard to say you are a classical liberal or more a left winger.
So, is it fair to say that the Woke are those who embrace the departures from traditional moral values and norms; and that you generally don't hold those views?
But you do admit it being a redistributionist, i.e. an economic socialist and to some extent embrace the maxim "from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs". (I'm not playing the C card here, but just confirming a socialist philosophy). This would be your definition of a left winger?
And a liberal would then be simply a person who isn't for full blown socialism, but supports a high degree of government regulation upon businesses?
Is this about the gist of it?
Now it's a "glorified business degree" likes that's a bad thing. I guess you have to say something silly when you can't fall back on the DEI BS.
he’s more bill Maher and less Harry Sisson? Maher is still a classic liberal who is pro regulation and holds climate change as his number 1 issue, while loathing the woke left because it loses them elections.
Glad you at least recognize DEI as BS. You’re making strides.
She has to learn and grow. To me, that means she is still mainly a purveyor of talking points and her views are undeveloped, therefore she gets only so far in a debate/discussion. But I think she gets her points across to people.
We may agree that this explains her success among the woke left. Their intellectual bar is low. But her passion is important to the Albert Morris wing of the Party
I think that is pretty close. Though, I don't necessarily support all traditional norms. Just those that I think most people would consider to be reasonable. For example, I think it is fine that a gay couple can get married. It's not really reasonable to tell two men that they can't be married to one another and lose out on the same spousal benefits a traditional couple would have. Likewise, it is not reasonable to allow people born as males to compete unfairly in competitive women's sports.
When it comes to being a redistributionist... yes, I think that would accurately describe my view. However, I also think that describes most people's view, including most conservatives. Where the difference lies, is to what degree. I generally feel that capitalism creates wealth via free market principles. Central planning does not have the capacity or flexibility to drive wealth creation compared to a free market. That isn't to say that the government doesn't have a strong role to play. I don't want a risky system where we have too many big crashes. Deregulating leads to those problems way more often that a strong regulated financial sector.
At the end of the day, do we really want a person earning $1 million per year paying the same tax rate as some single mom earning 35,000 per year? I think most people would say that the high earner should be contributing at a higher rate. That seems reasonable to me.
Bill Maher is correct. Run AOC in 2028 she’ll lose. I’ve said it before people don’t want to hear about woke. Adam Forgie the mayor of Turtle Creek is running against Summer Lee and he basically said that his fellow democrats don’t want to hear about woke DEI trans girls playing in girls sports. They want to hear about jobs, cost of living etc. He also opposes terrorist groups like Hamas that the far left seems to support. All of these young women and gays who support Hamas go live in Gaza for a day. They’ll come running back to U S A like they are setting a new record for the 40 yard dash.
I am not sure AOC would lose. She isn't going to go out there saying "let's get more boys into girl's sports". The Dems will adjust. They have already said "we have to adjust because America is racist." So however they want to justify it, they will make the necessary changes.
But I think they will anoint Newsome. He is one smart and slippery dude and will absolutely throw the woke facet of the Dems under the bus to be President. The Dem media will pivot by also throwing the woke wing out with the bathwater in order to win.
If (when?) the Dems rig their election again, I will vote for JD without even caring what the issues are.
I'm not as disrespectful of those degrees as you might think. TBH I've viewed most undergrad courses in business, psych, sociology etc as a major in electives. Read the chapter, attend class 80% of the time. Guaranteed B. Six to eight of their 12-15 credits each term however are difficult courses. A grades are no gimme. Especially in high level econ disciplines.
My comment was made to express my opinion that she is no dummy (or as you put it - might not be a genius), but that her graduating with honors neither proves she has a high intellect. The jury is out with me. I'd say my post gave her a pretty good review.
Again, she is young. I've no idea how old you are but, the older I get, the more hesitant I am to call someone stupid, rather than young, inexperienced, naive, etc.
I'm a Democrat and she would lose badly trust me.
Good post.
And see, the mayor of turtle creek seems reasonable. When the rest of the left agree with him, then your party will be back. Heck, even woke all-star Gavin Newsome is back tracking…as he knows that to win his next election, he can’t pander to the weirdos in California like he did to win his last couple elections.
Haha ...were @HailtoPitt a Harry Sisson I'd ask the Wizard to give him a brain.
