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They will. It will take a few cycles. They need a strong leader to rise to the top. AOC isn't it and she won't be it in '28 or ever. Someone could come out of the blue but the odds-on favorite for '28 has to be Vance, assuming the Trump agenda works out as hoped. No Dem in Congress has a shot. Some moderate govs like yours in PA, mine in NC, and the guy in KY could put up a fight, but they may not survive a primary if progressives build a following during the disarray. A left-winger could win the nomination but would never win the election. They should be grooming someone for '32 or later if they can ever figure out what they are for rather than what they are against, and those things they are for align with voters.
To me, Dean Phillips actually sounds intelligent and his views are more moderate than what dems are now but they really don't give him a voice. Totally shut him down in the last election
 
Good post.

And see, the mayor of turtle creek seems reasonable. When the rest of the left agree with him, then your party will be back. Heck, even woke all-star Gavin Newsome is back tracking…as he knows that to win his next election, he can’t pander to the weirdos in California like he did to win his last couple elections.
Yeah I agree, but wow he has destroyed California. I don't know if it will be enough.
 
I think that is pretty close. Though, I don't necessarily support all traditional norms. Just those that I think most people would consider to be reasonable. For example, I think it is fine that a gay couple can get married. It's not really reasonable to tell two men that they can't be married to one another and lose out on the same spousal benefits a traditional couple would have. Likewise, it is not reasonable to allow people born as males to compete unfairly in competitive women's sports.

When it comes to being a redistributionist... yes, I think that would accurately describe my view. However, I also think that describes most people's view, including most conservatives. Where the difference lies, is to what degree. I generally feel that capitalism creates wealth via free market principles. Central planning does not have the capacity or flexibility to drive wealth creation compared to a free market. That isn't to say that the government doesn't have a strong role to play. I don't want a risky system where we have too many big crashes. Deregulating leads to those problems way more often that a strong regulated financial sector.

At the end of the day, do we really want a person earning $1 million per year paying the same tax rate as some single mom earning 35,000 per year? I think most people would say that the high earner should be contributing at a higher rate. That seems reasonable to me.
Even though your philosophy isn't exactly "systematic", I get the impression that you could defend any inquiry into it without tying yourself up in knots. I don't believe AOC could without eventually assuming the deer-in-the-headlights position. But give her time to work things out.

I cannot help but notice that you use the word "reasonable" repeatedly. You don't seem to have any ideology. But you do cite principles which you seem to have woven into your political philosophies. I say philosophies plural because of the democratic nature of your belief system. It's kinda like you surf the waves of commonly held views until you find a wave you want to ride to shore and toss it onto the heap. You'd probably feel very much at home in a parliamentary system.

But I also think your philosophies and positions are viewed as palatable only because you are yourself a reasonable person. A not-so-reasonable person could share your same political rationale but hold entirely different and far more negative positions.

To cut to the chase...this form of governmental structure can potentially be good or could be bad, depending on what policies are determined to be reasonable; and that this is why the Founders chose to "bind the government in the chains of the constitution". IMO electing leaders who are empowered to decide for us what is reasonable or not is dangerous. Making rights totally unalienable is a great way to safeguard society.

Your thoughts?
 
Glad you at least recognize DEI as BS. You’re making strides.
It was always BS because the people who gained the most were white women….not the fallacy that brown people were the beneficiary of that program.
 
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It was always BS because the people who gained the most were white women….not the fallacy that brown people were the beneficiary of that program.
sounds like fiction or projection to me….like you’re creating a racial issue in your mind that doesn’t exist.
 
sounds like fiction or projection to me….like you’re creating a racial issue in your mind that doesn’t exist.
Who Benefits the Most? The Surprising Answer
DEI policies are often framed as tools to uplift people of color, women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and other marginalized groups. However, data reveals that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action, diversity hiring, and corporate DEI initiatives have been white women.
 
Who Benefits the Most? The Surprising Answer
DEI policies are often framed as tools to uplift people of color, women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and other marginalized groups. However, data reveals that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action, diversity hiring, and corporate DEI initiatives have been white women.
I don’t understand the point you’re making. This fallacy in your mind regarding brown people and dei must be something that keeps you up at night while the rest never gave it a second thought.
 
I don’t understand the point you’re making. This fallacy in your mind regarding brown people and dei must be something that keeps you up at night while the rest never gave it a second thought.
The point I'm making is that the Rethuglicans are throwing around DEI as a dog whistle implying that only brown people, let me correct that, unqualified brown people are getting jobs and are the primary benefactor of DEI when anyone who understands DEI knows that's straight trash.
 
The point I'm making is that the Rethuglicans are throwing around DEI as a dog whistle implying that only brown people, let me correct that, unqualified brown people are getting jobs and are the primary benefactor of DEI when anyone who understands DEI knows that's straight trash.
You have race and color on the brain. Generally speaking, nobody on the right sees it that way. We think the best people for jobs should get jobs and don’t have any perception of which “group” is winning the DEI lottery. We couldn’t care less, no one is implying anything.
 
You have race and color on the brain. Generally speaking, nobody on the right sees it that way. We think the best people for jobs should get jobs and don’t have any perception of which “group” is winning the DEI lottery. We couldn’t care less, no one is implying anything.
Yep. It's called a meritocracy. People should be hired based on their abilities and nothing else!
 
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The point I'm making is that the Rethuglicans are throwing around DEI as a dog whistle implying that only brown people, let me correct that, unqualified brown people are getting jobs and are the primary benefactor of DEI when anyone who understands DEI knows that's straight trash.
To add on here, I see DEI as a system that simply uses factors other than competence into selecting job candidates. I don't care really what personal crusades its proponents embrace, be it race or gender, sexual preference or preferred fashion trend.
 
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Who Benefits the Most? The Surprising Answer
DEI policies are often framed as tools to uplift people of color, women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and other marginalized groups. However, data reveals that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action, diversity hiring, and corporate DEI initiatives have been white women.
Which is still moronic on the equity part of it. Who cares what color someone is when I get 1/2 your stuff not working at all and you bust your ass and are way more qualified for the job ???
 
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You have race and color on the brain. Generally speaking, nobody on the right sees it that way. We think the best people for jobs should get jobs and don’t have any perception of which “group” is winning the DEI lottery. We couldn’t care less, no one is implying anything.
No...I don't have race and color on the brain - it's a component of life many of your on this board have no idea of but you constantly opine like you actually know. Psst...let me help you out, people of color didn't start racism in this country. This country is even going to lengths to scrub it's dirty history because they don't want to address the truth.

And the "we think the best people for the jobs" is laughable. You have a TV host running the Department of Defense...you think a black or brown person would get that spot with his HUGE LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS?

And clearly you don't have any perception of which group is winning because it's still the same group....just a different gender.

EDIT: Not only is he unqualified...he's an alcoholic and a rapist. Seems about right for Trump and the MAGAT movement.
 
No...I don't have race and color on the brain - it's a component of life many of your on this board have no idea of but you constantly opine like you actually know. Psst...let me help you out, people of color didn't start racism in this country. This country is even going to lengths to scrub it's dirty history because they don't want to address the truth.

And the "we think the best people for the jobs" is laughable. You have a TV host running the Department of Defense...you think a black or brown person would get that spot with his HUGE LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS?

And clearly you don't have any perception of which group is winning because it's still the same group....just a different gender.

EDIT: Not only is he unqualified...he's an alcoholic and a rapist. Seems about right for Trump and the MAGAT movement.
Okay, don't keep the secret all to yourself!

 
No...I don't have race and color on the brain - it's a component of life many of your on this board have no idea of but you constantly opine like you actually know. Psst...let me help you out, people of color didn't start racism in this country. This country is even going to lengths to scrub it's dirty history because they don't want to address the truth.

And the "we think the best people for the jobs" is laughable. You have a TV host running the Department of Defense...you think a black or brown person would get that spot with his HUGE LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS?

And clearly you don't have any perception of which group is winning because it's still the same group....just a different gender.

EDIT: Not only is he unqualified...he's an alcoholic and a rapist. Seems about right for Trump and the MAGAT movement.
The guy is more than qualified, if you take the time to look at his resume outside of tv. His tv work is just a simple talking point that dumb people latch onto. And he’s not proven to be any more of a rapist than Joe Biden or a senator on Capitol Hill voting on bills while being shitfaced. Don’t be a partisan wanker.

And as far as your women in dei and “browns” in dei, since you care so much about it and no one else does, here’s Xhibit making your point, and the liberal bill Maher refuting it.

 
The guy is more than qualified, if you take the time to look at his resume outside of tv. His tv work is just a simple talking point that dumb people latch onto. And he’s not proven to be any more of a rapist than Joe Biden or a senator on Capitol Hill voting on bills while being shitfaced. Don’t be a partisan wanker.

And as far as your women in dei and “browns” in dei, since you care so much about it and no one else does, here’s Xhibit making your point, and the liberal bill Maher refuting it.

What the fcuk does Bill Maher knows - he's not impacted because he already get's benefits. And his qualifications are laughable. What organization has he ran? What budgetary responsibilities have he managed. Military(nothing major), political activist and Fox. Compare him to Lloyd Austin's qualifications and it's not even close.

Lloyd James Austin III served as the Secretary of Defense from Jan. 22, 2021, to Jan. 20, 2025. Mr. Austin was the principal assistant to the President in all matters relating to the Department of Defense and served on the National Security Council.

Mr. Austin was born in Mobile, Alabama, and raised in Thomasville, Georgia. He graduated from the United States Military Academy with a Bachelor of Science degree and a commission in the Infantry. He holds a Master of Arts degree in counselor education from Auburn University, and a Master of Business Management from Webster University. He is a graduate of the Infantry Officer Basic and Advanced courses, the Army Command and General Staff College, and the Army War College.

His 41-year career in the Army included command at the corps, division, battalion, and brigade levels. Mr. Austin was awarded the Silver Star for his leadership of the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division during the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Seven years later, he would assume the duties of Commanding General of United States Forces – Iraq, overseeing all combat operations in the country.

After a tour as the Army’s Vice Chief of Staff, Mr. Austin concluded his uniformed service as the Commander of U.S. Central Command, responsible for all military operations in the Middle East and Afghanistan. In this assignment, he led U.S. and coalition efforts to battle ISIS in Iraq and Syria. He retired from the Army in April, 2016
 
What the fcuk does Bill Maher knows - he's not impacted because he already get's benefits. And his qualifications are laughable. What organization has he ran? What budgetary responsibilities have he managed. Military(nothing major), political activist and Fox. Compare him to Lloyd Austin's qualifications and it's not even close.

Lloyd James Austin III served as the Secretary of Defense from Jan. 22, 2021, to Jan. 20, 2025. Mr. Austin was the principal assistant to the President in all matters relating to the Department of Defense and served on the National Security Council.

Mr. Austin was born in Mobile, Alabama, and raised in Thomasville, Georgia. He graduated from the United States Military Academy with a Bachelor of Science degree and a commission in the Infantry. He holds a Master of Arts degree in counselor education from Auburn University, and a Master of Business Management from Webster University. He is a graduate of the Infantry Officer Basic and Advanced courses, the Army Command and General Staff College, and the Army War College.

His 41-year career in the Army included command at the corps, division, battalion, and brigade levels. Mr. Austin was awarded the Silver Star for his leadership of the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division during the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Seven years later, he would assume the duties of Commanding General of United States Forces – Iraq, overseeing all combat operations in the country.

After a tour as the Army’s Vice Chief of Staff, Mr. Austin concluded his uniformed service as the Commander of U.S. Central Command, responsible for all military operations in the Middle East and Afghanistan. In this assignment, he led U.S. and coalition efforts to battle ISIS in Iraq and Syria. He retired from the Army in April, 2016
Exactly my point. The women and dei thing isn’t being misunderstood in Republican circles as you say. Here is Bill Maher, a perfectly good liberal, doing it.
 
Exactly my point. The women and dei thing isn’t being misunderstood in Republican circles as you say. Here is Bill Maher, a perfectly good liberal, doing it.
You guys points of reference are embarrassing…Bill Maher, he’s not a liberal, he just plays one on TV. But I guess that all you have.
 
You guys points of reference are embarrassing…Bill Maher, he’s not a liberal, he just plays one on TV. But I guess that all you have.
Bill Maher is an old school liberal. What has changed is the crazy woke far left. He’s stated many times on his show over the last 2 years that the democratic party has left him not the other way around. Remember old school liberals are nothing like the current liberals with their woke, trans, DEI and supporting terrorist groups.
 
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What the fcuk does Bill Maher knows - he's not impacted because he already get's benefits. And his qualifications are laughable. What organization has he ran? What budgetary responsibilities have he managed. Military(nothing major), political activist and Fox. Compare him to Lloyd Austin's qualifications and it's not even close.

Lloyd James Austin III served as the Secretary of Defense from Jan. 22, 2021, to Jan. 20, 2025. Mr. Austin was the principal assistant to the President in all matters relating to the Department of Defense and served on the National Security Council.

Mr. Austin was born in Mobile, Alabama, and raised in Thomasville, Georgia. He graduated from the United States Military Academy with a Bachelor of Science degree and a commission in the Infantry. He holds a Master of Arts degree in counselor education from Auburn University, and a Master of Business Management from Webster University. He is a graduate of the Infantry Officer Basic and Advanced courses, the Army Command and General Staff College, and the Army War College.

His 41-year career in the Army included command at the corps, division, battalion, and brigade levels. Mr. Austin was awarded the Silver Star for his leadership of the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division during the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Seven years later, he would assume the duties of Commanding General of United States Forces – Iraq, overseeing all combat operations in the country.

After a tour as the Army’s Vice Chief of Staff, Mr. Austin concluded his uniformed service as the Commander of U.S. Central Command, responsible for all military operations in the Middle East and Afghanistan. In this assignment, he led U.S. and coalition efforts to battle ISIS in Iraq and Syria. He retired from the Army in April, 2016
And Austin did a bang-up job!

- Afghanistan withdrawal.
- Never passed an audit.
- Declining enlistment numbers.
- Went AWOL.
 
Bill Maher is an old school liberal. What has changed is the crazy woke far left. He’s stated many times on his show over the last 2 years that the democratic party has left him not the other way around. Remember old school liberals are nothing like the current liberals with their woke, trans, DEI and supporting terrorist groups.
Yeah…heard the same thing about Fetterman.
 
And Austin did a bang-up job!

- Afghanistan withdrawal.
- Never passed an audit.
- Declining enlistment numbers.
- Went AWOL.
That’s been happening for decades asswhipe…try again. And stick to the point - QUALIFICATIONS! You guys deflect and mis-direct more than Penn and Teller.
 
When you have 258 of 260 Dems in congress vote against women and in favor of men playing in their sports, then yeah you’re absolutely right until they start getting the balls to buck the party and vote common sense.
What the Democrats need to learn first is this simple concept. The enemy of your enemy is NOT necessarily your friend. So stop supporting everything the right opposes because most of America supports this also. But the Dems cannot get past supporting the enemy of my enemy.
 
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AOC earned a bachelor's degree in international relations and economics. Even with honors, it's still a glorified business degree. But it is an accomplishment. She also won a Congressional seat. Another accomplishment. I think she is self confident and relatively fearless. She has personality, communication skills, and other talents.

But she is still young and has much to learn. She still gets schooled at times during hearings, as we've seen. She is great with the left, but she has little crossover appeal at this point in time As she grows in her position, I'll be interested to see how her views change.

More than all that, she has been the recipient of support from the Party leadership. We'll see if she can transition from being empowered by the Party to being one of those who direct which politicians are empowered. That's the key to success - her networking skills. In time, she could become a formidable politician.
She's just naive and this class warfare thing is a bit over the top.
 
You guys points of reference are embarrassing…Bill Maher, he’s not a liberal, he just plays one on TV. But I guess that all you have.
Bill maher is absolutely a liberal. A proud one at that. If you don’t identify with him, then you must be an extremist.
 
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That’s been happening for decades asswhipe…try again. And stick to the point - QUALIFICATIONS! You guys deflect and mis-direct more than Penn and Teller.
The point is that your qualifications standard didn't exactly play out as you might have expected. So maybe your qualifications standards are wrong.
 
The point is that your qualifications standard didn't exactly play out as you might have expected. So maybe your qualifications standards are wrong.
Can you say that in English instead of Appalachian? That’s some scrambled chit there.
 
Yeah…heard the same thing about Fetterman.
Here’s the thing when Fetterman calls out the other democrats the left goes crazy. Trump and the republicans won because they told the people what the people want to hear. The democrats tell people what’s good for them.
One more thing the politicians in both parties need to call out the crazies in both parties. If they did maybe there would be more bipartisan support in solving issues
 
It means your qualification standards were proven to be wrong.
Oh…so you’re saying Austin’s qualifications weren’t as impressive as the current alcoholic rapist? There are levels of stupidity and ignorance - you are on a different level.
 
Oh…so you’re saying Austin’s qualifications weren’t as impressive as the current alcoholic rapist? There are levels of stupidity and ignorance - you are on a different level.
You don't seem to understand English. I'll not try again. It seem like a waste of my time.
 
You never stated a fact, only your opinion.
Clearly you never reviewed a resume or hired a person in your life...not surprising. I guess on the hawg farm all you have to do is know how to shoot and squeal like a pig.
 
Clearly you never reviewed a resume or hired a person in your life...not surprising. I guess on the hawg farm all you have to do is know how to shoot and squeal like a pig.
I will pray for you.
 
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Here’s the thing when Fetterman calls out the other democrats the left goes crazy. Trump and the republicans won because they told the people what the people want to hear. The democrats tell people what’s good for them.
One more thing the politicians in both parties need to call out the crazies in both parties. If they did maybe there would be more bipartisan support in solving issues
Just curious. Can you name these things rhe democrats tell people / support that are good for people ?
 
Just curious. Can you name these things rhe democrats tell people / support that are good for people ?
To me and it’s just me so don’t put a lot into it. But I feel that a lot of dems just talk down to people. I’m also tired of, and this from both sides, stop demonizing the other side.

It’s how I see things. When I was working I had to cut through a lot of bullshit solving problems. I didn’t have time for bullshit. I only want to know facts and how to solve issues in the short and long term. So get to the bottom line. I wear my opinions on my sleeve. I’ve pissed off and even insulted people because of bullshit and I don’t want to hear bullshit lies and propaganda.
I guess that’s why I have been called a ruthless, abrasive and crass person when I was working. People knew not bs me and get to the bottom line. That’s just me.
My excuse is I’m a Pitt fan what do the hell do you want.
 
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