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Where Narduzzi Is Not Getting It Done

8-5 till you build something is fine by me. Do you really expect Pitt to win 10+ a year?

Humor yourself and look at this. I went back to 2010. Only 32 teams have averaged 8 wins + since 2010. 16 teams averaged 9 wins + since 2010. If you really think Narduzzi should be there in 2 years after taking over for the last 2 HC clowns....then you have unreal expectations.

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SVPanther said:
Recruiting. Top 40's or 30's will not get it done. That's what gets you 8-5 seasons.
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Although I do agree with Pitt's Coach Pat & Staff have to improve and increase attracting more Top Recruits in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New Jersey. Give it some more time Sunshine! Coach Pat & Staff have been at Pitt just 2 years going on 3rd year. Coach Pat & Staff still has more disadvantages, obstacles, and rebuilding just being in the ACC Power Conference for 5 years.

Athletic Director came and gone, Recruiting Staffing still has Vacancies, Two OC's Hired away by High Paying SEC, Attendance is Average, lack of Big Boosters, and has limits of Pitt Assistant's Salaries while Rebuilding the Program in Recruiting, Summer Camps, Coaching Clinics. I think many others at Pitt are letting Pitt down not Coach Pat Narduzzi.

Coach Narduzzi says Pitt's O,D,& ST is about 95% away and needs more Back-Ups too, he always looking for Coaching Improvements too.The Players have bought into his Attitude Change, Game Plans, and Conditioning with little to none Off the GridIron problems.

Pitt has been out Recruited at least as far Top 25 Recruiting Classes such as Meyer's Top 5 Ohio State, Harbaugh's Top 5 Michigan, Kelly's Top 15 Notre Dame to the West, while competing with with MSU, Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisky for remaining Midwest Recruits too?

Additionally, Coach Pat & Staff must compete with the Powerful Historic Rival Resourceful Top 15-20 Penn State Recruiting Program in Pennsylvania now joined by Top 20 Maryland. As well as remaining Recruits being picked up BC, Cuse, Temple, Rutgers to the East and Historic Rival WVU in the Big-12.

Moreover, Pitt's challenge in the ACC Coastal is Miami returned to Top 10-15 Recruiting with Top 25 UNC and VT. Along with UVA, Duke, and GT, Duke and other ACC Programs in South.

Furthermore, Pitt has been playing a Schedule tougher than PSU & WVU against Clemson, OKST, Iowa, NAVY, and Notre Dame in 2015-16. All have had Top 25-15-10 Classes? Still, Pitt Plays all of them tough in 2015-16?

The job Coach Pat & Staff are doing including losing 2 Great OC's and having to let go Pitt Alum Coach Sims, almost last place in Defense Stats, and Top 10 on Offense with an Unanimous Consensus All American on Special Teams as a Sophomore in Henderson and 5 Potential NFL Draft Picks is not bad at all considering the many obstacles facing Pitt's Coach Pat & Staff.

Pitt has just been in the ACC since 2013, and with Recruiting Classes Ranked in 50's, 40s, 30s, the last 5 years by two Coaches in Graham and Chryst that only came to Pitt to Step Stone and help create Pitt Problems by caring less about Pitt and more about their careers.

I respectfully agree to disagree with you. Coach Pat Narduzzi & Staff are actually doing quite remarkable, based on lacking resources in a Pitt Program in the Process of Rebuilding, less established Powerful Programs Neighbors, and dealing with past and current mistakes of Pitt Athletics Higher Ups, that choose to find a lack of Great People that choose come and leave Pitt, except Pat Narduzzi!

Coach Pat just completed his only 3rd Recruiting Season and is now just helping to find another AD after selecting a New OC and in the market for another DL & 10th NCAA Approved Coach?

Like I said, give him some time......Sunshine!
 
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Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State are loaded with Program Recruiting Resources. Miami, VT have been in the ACC over 15 years more. FSU, Clemson, and UNC have more access to Florida's Rich Recruiting grounds as well. Iowa, MSU, Wisky, and WVU have longer years in winning and established as well.

Pitt is doing better than Virginia, BC, Cuse, GT, Duke, NU, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, in winning but overcoming Top Recruiting Programs & Schools with Talented Recruits near them, takes more than 2 years?

I did not like to see Hudson & Jeter go to Michigan, some Top PA players to Notre Dame and Georgia one has to credit PSU's James Franklin in doing very well in PA, VA, NJ, & MD, but Franklin has been hurt losing some Recruits to Michigan, ND, and Georgia. Yet, Franklin is off to a terrific start in 2018 and so is ND. Pitt does need a 9 & 10 Win Season that will help it turn it around. Still, Pitt Athletic Program is way behind.

Coach Pat & Staff are grabbing about 10-14 Players each year that they feel fit in the Pitt Systems, and many need time to grow, but up to Pitt help Coach Pat Rebuild its Program as he keeps improving the Recruits & Players into playing better and executing.

Coach Pat has taken over a Program that needs much more Great People to come and help make Pitt a Top 25 program again. Pitt is near but not there just yet. It does need to improve Recruiting but needs an AD, DL and on its 3rd OC. Pitt's ACC Revenues need a great influx of Great People that want to stay at Pitt like Coach Pat!
 
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In my opinion the greatest hurdle pat and the staff has is game day atmosphere. This staff works very hard on the trail. I have been to games at Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Auburn. The atmosphere at those games is unreal and we just can't compete. It is just reality of big city school. I think a good portion of kids are influenced by it. It is hard not to be. Some kids will look at bigger picture. I personally really like this class and agree with the numerous national reports that it is underrated class.
 
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SVPanther said:
Recruiting. Top 40's or 30's will not get it done. That's what gets you 8-5 seasons.
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Pitt is a tough sell. Not sure how many years of this it will take for some posters to realize that.

Dooz will have to get the program to a consistent top 20 level, get some butts in the seats, and get to some real bowls before he will be able to bring in top 20 classes. It can be done with the kind of players he's bringing in, but it will take a minute. This is still very much a rebuild, especially on defense.
 
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SVPanther said:
Recruiting. Top 40's or 30's will not get it done. That's what gets you 8-5 seasons.
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Who wanna know who else isn't getting it done? Pitt fans. Or maybe pseudo-fans is the better description.

You referenced Alabama, tOSU, FSU, and Clemson as examples, so I'll ask you: how many season tickets do those teams sell? How much money do their fans contribute to their football programs? I'd bet that many of the fans who post on this board don't pay a penny more than the cost of a game ticket - if that.

Until Pitt fans step-up their game and level the playing field, don't expect national championships in Pittsburgh.
 
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Fanbase....check.
Resources.....check.
Program is a tough sell......check
Gameday atmosphere......check

This thread is only missing one thing to make it perfect.....



WE NEED A STADIUM ON CAMPUS!!!!!!!

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PhPanther1 said:
8-5 till you build something is fine by me. Do you really expect Pitt to win 10+ a year?

Humor yourself and look at this. I went back to 2010. Only 32 teams have averaged 8 wins + since 2010. 16 teams averaged 9 wins + since 2010. If you really think Narduzzi should be there in 2 years after taking over for the last 2 HC clowns....then you have unreal expectations.

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And averaging 8 wins is well, average results. The problem is if 6-6 seasons sneak in there and there is never any uptick above the 8-9 win plateau.
 
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18Melba said:
In my opinion the greatest hurdle pat and the staff has is game day atmosphere. This staff works very hard on the trail. I have been to games at Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Auburn. The atmosphere at those games is unreal and we just can't compete. It is just reality of big city school. I think a good portion of kids are influenced by it. It is hard not to be. Some kids will look at bigger picture. I personally really like this class and agree with the numerous national reports that it is underrated class.
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Very true. There is essentially no chance Pitt can ever be on par with those game day atmospheres. They are far and away better. It is almost not even the same universe of experience. Pitt can certainly get better, but we have limitations and always will. We just have to sell other aspects enough to lessen the talent divide and hope superior coaching and luck play in our favor.
 
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His recruiting isn't going to get it done but that doesn't mean it won't get better. He's got to get over the 8 win hump this season and prove that his teams are improving each season. The first 3-4 games this season are going to be huge for recruiting because we'll be playing 2 top 10 teams early on. Just imagine if we start the season 4-0! We'll be early season favorites for CFP. Obviously a huge IF, especially with losing as much as we are on both sides of the ball.

IMO Narduzzi also needs to hit the trail harder this spring and get better starts to his recruiting classes - we're already behind the big programs and filling in classes during the last few weeks of the cycle with 3 star leftovers isn't going to keep working.
 
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Agreed but a 3 star from Florida looks a lot better than PA.....IMO

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His recruiting isn't going to get it done but that doesn't mean it won't get better. He's got to get over the 8 win hump this season and prove that his teams are improving each season. The first 3-4 games this season are going to be huge for recruiting because we'll be playing 2 top 10 teams early on. Just imagine if we start the season 4-0! We'll be early season favorites for CFP. Obviously a huge IF, especially with losing as much as we are on both sides of the ball.

IMO Narduzzi also needs to hit the trail harder this spring and get better starts to his recruiting classes - we're already behind the big programs and filling in classes during the last few weeks of the cycle with 3 star leftovers isn't going to keep working.
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sappycrease said:
His recruiting isn't going to get it done but that doesn't mean it won't get better. He's got to get over the 8 win hump this season and prove that his teams are improving each season. The first 3-4 games this season are going to be huge for recruiting because we'll be playing 2 top 10 teams early on. Just imagine if we start the season 4-0! We'll be early season favorites for CFP. Obviously a huge IF, especially with losing as much as we are on both sides of the ball.

IMO Narduzzi also needs to hit the trail harder this spring and get better starts to his recruiting classes - we're already behind the big programs and filling in classes during the last few weeks of the cycle with 3 star leftovers isn't going to keep working.
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Well, and this class will really tell the tale of things. This is the first class where HCPN has no excuses. He has had two full years to start recruiting this class. He is not hamstrung by previous regimes or a time disadvantage. The results are 100% on him and his staff. Hopefully that results in an uptick.
 
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How long will that method last though? The recruits he picked up in the last few weeks of this cycle do not stack up against the ones from last cycle. It's a risky move to wait until the end of a recruiting cycle to add 20-30% of your class, no matter where they come from. See DL and LB recruiting leading up to signing day, now we have a major hole to fill with the '18 and '19 kids.

If we only have 12 kids committed come November and we go 6-6 or 7-5, we'll be in big trouble come next NSD.

I'm not necessarily complaining yet, just wish Narduzzi would lock up some kids earlier in the cycle so we don't have to annually scramble to fill out a class.
 
thebadby2 said:
Pitt is a tough sell. Not sure how many years of this it will take for some posters to realize that.

Dooz will have to get the program to a consistent top 20 level, get some butts in the seats, and get to some real bowls before he will be able to bring in top 20 classes. It can be done with the kind of players he's bringing in, but it will take a minute. This is still very much a rebuild, especially on defense.
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There is no doubt in my mind Narduzzi can bring in top 25 classes. Heck, Wanny did it being hand cuffed playing in the big east. With a lot less of a budget.

Pitt has a lot more positives than negatives to sell recruits. Nards just needs to hire the right people to sell it.
 
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Pitt-Chains said:
Give up the half empty.. getting old.. really.
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I do see it Half Full on Coaching but Pitt Higher Ups have also made it look Half Empty on Athletic Department failures, missed opportunities, and staffing and that is on Pitt to change it.

Barnes was another mistaken Personnel Cup of Water spill that helped clear out some Pederson's Poison but still left in the Pitt system. Barnes but drank up Pitt Money for Himself and Consultants that in all honesty did not help boosting Confidence in Pitt. Pitt Boosters are not confident Pitt knows how to spend money on putting Water into a Cup with Holes in it for Barnes & Pederson's mismanaged Buyouts & Consultants that fail Pitt on Due Diligence for their self-promotional failures.

Up to Pitt Administration to face facts they have to do better to support Coach Narduzzi & Staff with a far better Plan that finds the Right People that Know Pitt Problems, Region, and Plans to fill up a Jug not just a Glass and wants to stay and Build Pitt's Programs!
 
pittdan77 said:
Fanbase....check.
Resources.....check.
Program is a tough sell......check
Gameday atmosphere......check
This thread is only missing one thing to make it perfect.....
WE NEED A STADIUM ON CAMPUS!!!!!!!
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Agree, and an Innovative Academic Building & Smaller Stadium Dome with CMU reduced to 50,000 like Stanford did will change that atmosphere as well as helped built with Four Hotels in each Corner that will augment the Costs and provide a Workable Facility all year long everyday, not just a few times a year. Pitt can still share UPMC Practice Facilities with Steelers on the South Side, with a Sky Bus connecting Pitt to that area built by US Transportation funding.
 
Jpripper88 said:
And averaging 8 wins is well, average results. The problem is if 6-6 seasons sneak in there and there is never any uptick above the 8-9 win plateau.
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Yep, to be fair spot on, and if 9-4 in 2015 by just one more win game whether that be Iowa, UNC or Miami and at least competitive Bowl game against Navy.

As well as, 10 Win Season in 2016 with just one or two plays against OKST, UNC, VT, and win against NU in a Bowl Game would have done wonders in improving Recruiting with a Turn Around Coastal Championship.

Still there was great progress from 2014 to 2015 to 2016 but must take that higher step in 2017 and 2018.
 
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There is no doubt in my mind Narduzzi can bring in top 25 classes. Heck, Wanny did it being hand cuffed playing in the big east. With a lot less of a budget.

Pitt has a lot more positives than negatives to sell recruits. Nards just needs to hire the right people to sell it.
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I agree, he knows how to coach up and needs few more plays that win close games with his 3rd Year of Players.
 
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I agree, he knows how to coach up and needs few more plays that win close games with his 3rd Year of Players.
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Agree. The good thing is Narduzzi knows Pitt has all the tools for him to flourish. Hopefully, once he does. Pitt will step up to the plate.
 
An interesting discussion. Pitt, for whatever reason, perhaps for many of the reasons above, is not an easy sell. In turn, any Pitt HC realizes that fact after a year or two, maybe acheives a freak 9 or ten win season, and quickly accepts the big bucks elsewhere where the life blood for a sustained successful program - recruiting - is more attractive. Then, the cycle begins anew. If we can't consistently crack top 20 in recruiting, it appears, based on the linked article, Pitt will be mired in mediocrity with the HC position offering a stepping stone to bigger bucks at traditionally more successful programs. That is where Pitt is, unless and until, we can somehow fix the recruiting morass.
 
Disagree with OP. With these last 2 classes, Pitt now has a combination of the best and deepest talent we have had in at least 25 years.

Coach Duzz is getting it done. Do you not see this?

Go Pitt.
 
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Agree, and an Innovative Academic Building & Smaller Stadium Dome with CMU reduced to 50,000 like Stanford did will change that atmosphere as well as helped built with Four Hotels in each Corner that will augment the Costs and provide a Workable Facility all year long everyday, not just a few times a year. Pitt can still share UPMC Practice Facilities with Steelers on the South Side, with a Sky Bus connecting Pitt to that area built by US Transportation funding.
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Just a footnote. Stanford shrunk its Stadium about 8 years ago. Attendance still sparse. Then added tarping with same results. Game day atmosphere below Pitt's IMO.
 
MajorMajors said:
Disagree with OP. With these last 2 classes, Pitt now has a combination of the best and deepest talent we have had in at least 25 years.

Coach Duzz is getting it done. Do you not see this?

Go Pitt.
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No. I don't. Two 8-5 seasons with losses in both in minor bowl games. Recruiting classes in 40's or 30's. With the senior losses, a brutal schedule and a new qb - objectively speaking, 8-5 this year may be wishful. Just MO. Don't see how there are "facts" suggesting "Duzz is getting it done." At least at this point.
 
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Just a footnote. Stanford shrunk its Stadium about 8 years ago. Attendance still sparse. Then added tarping with same results. Game day atmosphere below Pitt's IMO.
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I know exact;y what they did, and why, and how, and it costs far less with good planing and smart athletic and academic minds, and it shows it can be done, but they already had a stadium on Campus.

Pitt can build something special right off of Fifth and Negley with CMU and make it a Everyday Academic, Conditioning, Athletic where Microsoft, Apple, and High Tech are right now and do it with Four Hotels in each Corner where they need in Pittsburgh to attract more Conventions & Events with Entertainment, Tourism and Curriculum's that are growing.

The hardest Schools to get into right now and in great demand are Film Schools Programs and Hotel Management is easy to set up, and a Smaller Dome Academic & Athletic Stadium with plenty of parking near Negley & Fifth where a big wide open area capable of building it.

Pitt needs to find the Right People with such a Plan and include its Best Minds and cut out the Athletic Director band Aides that come and go, and only care about themselves, not Pitt! Pitt Boosters need to get involve and Rooneys too.

Pittsburgh needs more Hotel Space to bring in bigger Conventions and Events and when Pitt will play WVU, PSU, ND, OSU, and other Big Games, can still use Heinz Field that will attract 70,000.

It can be done with better Leadership & Minds set on doing it, not just for Pitt Athletic Future but CMU, Pittsburgh, and Steelers too!
 
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No. I don't. Two 8-5 seasons with losses in both in minor bowl games. Recruiting classes in 40's or 30's. With the senior losses, a brutal schedule and a new qb - objectively speaking, 8-5 this year may be wishful. Just MO. Don't see how there are "facts" suggesting "Duzz is getting it done." At least at this point.
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Did facts suggest walt "got it done" or did they suggest his contract not be extended?
 
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No. I don't. Two 8-5 seasons with losses in both in minor bowl games. Recruiting classes in 40's or 30's. With the senior losses, a brutal schedule and a new qb - objectively speaking, 8-5 this year may be wishful. Just MO. Don't see how there are "facts" suggesting "Duzz is getting it done." At least at this point.
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Far More Done With A Change In Attitude Cannot Be Ignored Either & Are Factual Too!

ACC Revenues just arrived in 2013 and still growing but so has PSU, Michigan, OSU, and ND and changes at Miami, VT, and UMD.

Much More Has Been Done & Still Much More To Do & Myopic Views Won't Get It Done Either!
 
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