Who are this team's good players?

[Sean Miller Fan]

If Nick Saban took over this team on May 1, we'd all assume this team would be better but that would mean our current players would have had to have been playing better. As they say, the coaches can't block or tackle.

So, my question is, if we had the best coaches imaginable, which of our current players would be playing like future NFL players/All-ACC types because regardless of coaching, you need a good amount of those guys to win a lot of games.

The only guys on this team that I see being much better with better coaching are Pickett and Weaver. I just don't see Chryst-type or Wannstedt-type talent on this team. As Chryst's players graduate, they are being replaced with players who aren't as good.

 

[Burgh15]

Mack and Weaver have flashed. Pickett looks scared to make a play with his arm, I would think he could play better. Beyond that, no many guys stand out athletically on the field.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Wirginis since Narduzzi said he’s the best LB he’s ever coached....

 

[cpc247]

QB - Pickett & potentially Patti (not sure)
RB - Ollison & Hall & French (yes his natural position)
FB - Aston
WR - Mack
OL - Bookser and none
TE- None

DE - Weaver
DT - Camp
LB - QW, SI, Brightwell
CB - Dane
FS - None
SS - None

Speical teams - none

 

[Wildman4Pitt]

Its not the players, so I'm told Lmao. It certainly is a big part of the problem , the goof on the sidelines is the other part.

 

[Mikefln]

Dane Jackson, Wirginns, Weaver, Bookser, Mack, Ashton

Who will be T. Coleman and Gabe Houy.

 

[Blue Goose]

what has happened to tipton??????? is he hurt. have not heard his name mentioned in a long time. thanks in advance.........

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

what has happened to tipton??????? is he hurt. have not heard his name mentioned in a long time. thanks in advance.........

Good kid but he's nowhere close to an ACC player

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

Mack weaver Ollison. Wriginis. Jackson sometimes.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Very few good players. Maybe no great players. Maybe we got spoiled with Fitz, Revis, Otah, Shady, Donald Conner, etc. Now we remember what it's like not to have a couple of studs.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Mack and Weaver have flashed. Pickett looks scared to make a play with his arm, I would think he could play better. Beyond that, no many guys stand out athletically on the field.

Jones makes a lot of boneheaded plays but looks like there is some talent there. Brightwell and some of the seondary guys look like they have some talent. ON offense the RB's overall are pretty good and I think some of the WR look to have some talent. That being said I don't see a true difference maker on the roster. Not a single one. There are no tyler boyd's, AB's or shady mccoy's. Which is really a massive accomplishment by this staff. I guarantee you anyone of us could take over the team and land one difference maker in 4 years! You could literally pick some 2 and 3 stars out of a hat and luck into one or two really good players! Its damn hard to recruit 4 years of players and not get one impact player!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Mack and Weaver have flashed. Pickett looks scared to make a play with his arm, I would think he could play better. Beyond that, no many guys stand out athletically on the field.

Jones makes a lot of boneheaded plays but looks like there is some talent there. Brightwell and some of the seondary guys look like they have some talent. ON offense the RB's overall are pretty good and I think some of the WR look to have some talent. That being said I don't see a true difference maker on the roster. Not a single one. There are no tyler boyd's, AB's or shady mccoy's. Which is really a massive accomplishment by this staff. I guarantee you anyone of us could take over the team and land one difference maker in 4 years! You could literally pick some 2 and 3 stars out of a hat and luck into one or two really good players! Its damn hard to recruit 4 years of players and not get one impact player!

I think there are some good players on this team but the point of this post was that there is literally NO top-end talent. No difference makers or impact players. As bad as Narduzzi's coaching is, his recruiting/eye for talent had been worse. Even the Majors II teams had a few stars.

 

[revampedpanthers]

I think there are some good players on this team but the point of this post was that there is literally NO top-end talent. No difference makers or impact players. As bad as Narduzzi's coaching is, his recruiting/eye for talent had been worse. Even the Majors II teams had a few stars.

Like I said you or I could have picked names out of a hat and landed a top end talent. Walt and PC didn't recruit a ton of highly rated kids(especially walt early on) but guys like AB and Boyd were studs from day 1. Also DW got guys like lewis and ray graham(graham was pretty highly recruited) PN hasn't gotten a 1 yet.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I think there are some good players on this team but the point of this post was that there is literally NO top-end talent. No difference makers or impact players. As bad as Narduzzi's coaching is, his recruiting/eye for talent had been worse. Even the Majors II teams had a few stars.

Like I said you or I could have picked names out of a hat and landed a top end talent. Walt and PC didn't recruit a ton of highly rated kids(especially walt early on) but guys like AB and Boyd were studs from day 1. Also DW got guys like lewis and ray graham(graham was pretty highly recruited) PN hasn't gotten a 1 yet.

In 4 years, Narduzzi hasn't recruited one "game-changer." Maybe you can count Whitehead but he originally committed to Chryst and Narduzzi got the bare minimum out of him

 

[cpc247]

HCPN seems to have "physical requirements" to being a good player. We need to just recruit play makers period. Dion was a 5'8 RB. Maddox 5'7 CB, Oneil TE, TJ clemmings, AD point being we can't just got with measurements we need players and then adjust to them.

 

[thebadby2]

If Nick Saban took over this team on May 1, we'd all assume this team would be better but that would mean our current players would have had to have been playing better. As they say, the coaches can't block or tackle.

So, my question is, if we had the best coaches imaginable, which of our current players would be playing like future NFL players/All-ACC types because regardless of coaching, you need a good amount of those guys to win a lot of games.

The only guys on this team that I see being much better with better coaching are Pickett and Weaver. I just don't see Chryst-type or Wannstedt-type talent on this team. As Chryst's players graduate, they are being replaced with players who aren't as good.

Your original question before you put some kind of weird coaching hypothetical to it was who are this team’s teams “good players”- I assume you mean best players.

My list is based on performance/production to date, not potential to perform better:

Wirginis
Weaver
D. Jackson
Ollison
Aston
Mack
French
Araujo-Lopes

So far of this group only Wirginis is looking like he might have a paid future in football. None of the others have proven to be exceptional talents in any way. They are just more consistent and productive than others. Some of the younger guys who didn’t make the list will emerge and time goes on but right now this is about it:

The most disappointing thing about this team is that none of the better players on it are linemen, other than Weaver. The O line has really underperformed, the D line still can’t get pressure on anybody.

It’s not a good situation.

 

[McKee Place]

Ollison.

Aston, woefully underused.

Dane Jackson.

That's it

 

[ratking17]

For NFL weaver looks the best on the d side. Wirginis has played very well but he is more of a typical run stopper lb.

Bookser will get looks based on size for the offense but I don't see it lasting there. Aston is great at what he does but his size and position rarity are going to be hard to overcome. Mack in limited time looks the part but way too early there.

But the original thread is important. There just isn't much star power literally and figuratively on this team

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If Nick Saban took over this team on May 1, we'd all assume this team would be better but that would mean our current players would have had to have been playing better. As they say, the coaches can't block or tackle.

So, my question is, if we had the best coaches imaginable, which of our current players would be playing like future NFL players/All-ACC types because regardless of coaching, you need a good amount of those guys to win a lot of games.

The only guys on this team that I see being much better with better coaching are Pickett and Weaver. I just don't see Chryst-type or Wannstedt-type talent on this team. As Chryst's players graduate, they are being replaced with players who aren't as good.

Your original question before you put some kind of weird coaching hypothetical to it was who are this team’s teams “good players”- I assume you mean best players.

My list is based on performance/production to date, not potential to perform better:

Wirginis
Weaver
D. Jackson
Ollison
Aston
Mack
French
Araujo-Lopes

So far of this group only Wirginis is looking like he might have a paid future in football. None of the others have proven to be exceptional talents in any way. They are just more consistent and productive than others. Some of the younger guys who didn’t make the list will emerge and time goes on but right now this is about it:

The most disappointing thing about this team is that none of the better players on it are linemen, other than Weaver. The O line has really underperformed, the D line still can’t get pressure on anybody.

It’s not a good situation.

Any football team is going to have "best players." You can still rank the best 10 players on an 0-12 team. That doesn't mean any of those players are good. Who are this team's good players defined as future NFL/All-ACC types.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

For NFL weaver looks the best on the d side. Wirginis has played very well but he is more of a typical run stopper lb.

Bookser will get looks based on size for the offense but I don't see it lasting there. Aston is great at what he does but his size and position rarity are going to be hard to overcome. Mack in limited time looks the part but way too early there.

But the original thread is important. There just isn't much star power literally and figuratively on this team

And while I don't think Narduzzi is good at coaching, I honestly don't think he is terrible. To me, its mostly a talent issue. Sure, that is the primary job of a HC....get good players.....but that's his biggest failure. If he had good players like Chryst left him with, he'd win more.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The love some of you guys have for Wirginis is odd. He's played well in two games, the one against the 1AA team and the one against the team that runs the option over and over and doesn't look to exploit individual matchups (beyond what they get from running their regular offense). In the three other games, when teams have looked to get favorable matchup and actually have the talent to get them he's looked anywhere from mediocre to awful. He simply does not have the physical gifts to be a top player at this level.

Great guy? Sure seems that way. Smart player? Yeah, probably so. Better than the other guys we have playing linebacker? Yeah, he clears that low hurdle. But he simply does not have the physical gifts to be anything approaching a high level linebacker in D1 college football. Earlier this year someone compared him (favorably) to Scott McKillop. The only real comparison between those two guys is their position and their skin color.

Our subpar linebackers are a big part of the problem with our defense, and they have been since day one. If we are going to continue to play this scheme we need linebackers who are much, much better than Wirginis.

 

[ratking17]

The love some of you guys have for Wirginis is odd. He's played well in two games, the one against the 1AA team and the one against the team that runs the option over and over and doesn't look to exploit individual matchups (beyond what they get from running their regular offense). In the three other games, when teams have looked to get favorable matchup and actually have the talent to get them he's looked anywhere from mediocre to awful. He simply does not have the physical gifts to be a top player at this level.

Great guy? Sure seems that way. Smart player? Yeah, probably so. Better than the other guys we have playing linebacker? Yeah, he clears that low hurdle. But he simply does not have the physical gifts to be anything approaching a high level linebacker in D1 college football. Earlier this year someone compared him (favorably) to Scott McKillop. The only real comparison between those two guys is their position and their skin color.

Our subpar linebackers are a big part of the problem with our defense, and they have been since day one. If we are going to continue to play this scheme we need linebackers who are much, much better than Wirginis.

As I said I think he solid against the run. No way NFL talent as linebackers need to be able cover....but the lack of speed and athleticism from this unit is problematic to say the least

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

As I said I think he solid against the run. No way NFL talent as linebackers need to be able cover....but the lack of speed and athleticism from this unit is problematic to say the least

Right. He's OK on plays that are right in front of him. Beyond that, not so much.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

As I said I think he solid against the run. No way NFL talent as linebackers need to be able cover....but the lack of speed and athleticism from this unit is problematic to say the least

Right. He's OK on plays that are right in front of him. Beyond that, not so much.

I do think Wirginis would be a pretty good "Iowa linebacker." You know, that big roided-up looking white guy at MLB who looks unstoppable running and tackling RB's from stoneage offenses insids the 5×5 yard box he was playing in

 

[ratking17]

I do think Wirginis would be a pretty good "Iowa linebacker." You know, that big roided-up looking white guy at MLB who looks unstoppable running and tackling RB's from stoneage offenses insids the 5×5 yard box he was playing in

Exactly...he is a 20 tackle per game guy if he played in the big 10 west division

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I do think Wirginis would be a pretty good "Iowa linebacker." You know, that big roided-up looking white guy at MLB who looks unstoppable running and tackling RB's from stoneage offenses insids the 5×5 yard box he was playing in

If we played a lot of teams that liked to run the ball right up the middle he'd be perfectly fine. Unfortunately it's 2018, not 1978.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I do think Wirginis would be a pretty good "Iowa linebacker." You know, that big roided-up looking white guy at MLB who looks unstoppable running and tackling RB's from stoneage offenses insids the 5×5 yard box he was playing in

If we played a lot of teams that liked to run the ball right up the middle he'd be perfectly fine. Unfortunately it's 2018, not 1978.

Don’t tell Pat.