Who would be responsible
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Might not be the answer you’re looking for specifically but Narduzzi is ultimately responsible for everything. If those who are assigned certain things aren’t performing then they should go. Their pre snap and post whistle penalties are a joke.
Not sure that play was handled properly by the officials. Don’t know if you were at the game and if not, if it was shown on TV?
But UNC made a sub very late. When the O subs, the D is then also given a chance to sub, by rule.
But because UNC subbed so late, it gave Pitt very little time to get their sub in and UNC snapped the ball before the Pitt substitution was completed. I believe the officials should have reset the play clock to allow Pitt to make the substitution they were entitled to.
I was at the game. I agree with you analysis.
Only thing I can see is the flag was thrown because our guy didn't exactly bust his ass getting off the field.
That play was huge.
Our false start that made 2nd and 5, second and 10 sure didn't help.
Not playing a Maye rollout 4th and 1 didn't help.
Letting UNC convert third and 10 with a sweep didn't help.
Not spying Maye on third and long didn't help.
How many more times will be hurt by a fleaflicker?
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But if the crew had stopped or re-set the play clock as they should have, Pitt would have (and should have) had more than adequate time to complete the substitution they were allowed.
It was BAD officiating. Not done in accordance with the intent of the rule, IMO.
Agree.
Did we need to sub there. It looked like one interior DL for another.
I thought the late sub was ill advised with what was going on with the game at that point.
Yes the game announcers did mention that UNC O did make a late substitution and the refs should have therefore held up play to allow Pitt D substitution but didn’t.
Disagree. This is the game today. It’s why offenses have personnel packages they use to run certain plays. If they have the opportunity to try to create personnel mismatches, the D needs to have the opportunity to try to respond.
It’s also why the rule was instituted to allow the D to have a chance to sub accordingly. It was Saban who whined so loudly about it to draw attention that caused the change.
Yep. You see an official come up and stand over the ball to allow the D to sub all the time. Except on that play last night. 😏
Except what is the difference that 1 lineman is going to make, versus the lineman that was subbed out? It was not as if they brought in an extra linebacker or d-back. And it was 2nd & 17 at the 2 - you expect a run, which is exactly what they did.
I don’t think they did it for $h!t$ and giggles. Regardless the sub should have been allowed.
Then why wasn't it?
I believe a number of officials have designated actions in allowing substiturions.
This was not anerror by a single official.
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At the game its sometimes hard to tell, but I think I saw it clearly.
The play before Maye had to leave for a play to get checked out. He started to run onto the field to replace their backup but Brown called him back to the sideline to keep the backup qb in and to run a play quickly.
Pitt thought they were subbing and tried to run a player off only to get called for the substitution penalty.
I dont know the rules fully but if refs allowed an offense to "fake substitute " then I believe more teams would do that.
Narduzzi was giving the refs an earful, but maybe an offense is allowed to fake sub to catch a defense trying to sub...but I doubt it...but again I could be wrong.
The play before Maye had to leave for a play to get checked out. He started to run onto the field to replace their backup but Brown called him back to the sideline to keep the backup qb in and to run a play quickly.
Pitt thought they were subbing and tried to run a player off only to get called for the substitution penalty.
I dont know the rules fully but if refs allowed an offense to "fake substitute " then I believe more teams would do that.
Narduzzi was giving the refs an earful, but maybe an offense is allowed to fake sub to catch a defense trying to sub...but I doubt it...but again I could be wrong.
Well, it did take Pitt forever to make the substitution. The new Dlineman ran all the way to the position before the guy coming out had any clue he was coming out. Seemed like poor communications to me.
But I agree that these knee-jerk reactions to sub one DT for another are questionable and possibly even counter productive…
Go Pitt.
But I agree that these knee-jerk reactions to sub one DT for another are questionable and possibly even counter productive…
Go Pitt.
The backup UNC Qb was not in the game anywhere near the time of the play in question.
He only came in as they were near scoring against us.
Right?
Probably would have been good for Narduzzi to wake up and take a timeout there. Obviously there was confusion, and they had 3 at the time, I believe. It’s not like Narduzzi is above blowing timeouts in stupid spots.
Correct. Maye only came out for a couple of plays after the flea flicker. He was in on the play in question on the OP.
Ok so maybe I am thinking of a different play then. Maybe pitt burned a timeout on what I was thinking
It absolutely was an error by a single official. The guy who is in charge of making sure that the defense has a chance to substitute. The head referee. He absolutely blew the call.
If you happened to be watching the Baltimore - Indianapolis game this afternoon the exact same thing happened. Except that the ref didn't allow Indianapolis to snap the ball, and they were correctly called for delay of game.
And if you don't think the refs can screw that up, well, last night was the second consecutive home game that the refs screwed that call up. In the fourth quarter of the Cincinnati game they made a similar, even later offensive substitution. And the ref allowed Pitt to make their substitution. And while that was going on the play clock ran out. And then instead of correctly calling Cincinnati for delay of game the ref announced over his mic that they should reset the play clock to 25 seconds. So in effect his screw up allowed Cincinnati to potentially run 65 seconds off the play clock between plays, in what was a one score game.
One lineman isn't going to make a difference. One lineman coming into the game slows down an offense that wants to play fast. And it gives the other ten guys on defense a chance to make sure they are ready for the next play. And in last night's game, and in the Cincinnati game, it should have gotten the opposition a delay of game penalty.
Watch the sideline officials, the referee and the umpire when the offense brings a substitute on. The wings and the referee will make fists with their hands and hold their arms out to the side. The umpire will stand over the ball and not move into position until the referee motions him to do so.
It was also instituted to slow down tempo offenses and reduce fake injuries. Before this rule, the only effective way a defense could sub out tired players against an offense subbing in with insane tempo was to exploit player safety rules by faking an injury. Things were out of control several years ago with players just flopping on the ground spontanteously and grabbing their calf or ankle, and thankfully we've seen a reduction in them with the rule change.
Yes, exactly, the umpire stands over the ball until the referee motions for him to move. Because it is the referees job to stop the play. Not the umpire. Not the side judge. The referee.
It is the sole responsibility of the referee to decide when the offense can snap the ball and when the offense has to wait.
So...the referee did stop play for a while because he recognized the late offensive substitutio?. Then allowed it to continue because
to step away from the ball came down to interpretation of “reasonable pace.”
The referee made a discretionary decision, not an error.
No, he made an error. The defense has to be given the time to substitute. And he clearly didn't wait that long. He saw that Carolina wasn't going to be able to get the snap off if they waited as long as they should have, so he decided, incorrectly, to let them run their play.
Again, if you watched the game this afternoon the Baltimore players weren't even running. The guy jogged onto the field, and the guy who was coming off was walking kind of quickly. On the other hand, both the Pitt player coming on the field and the one going off were both running. They literally could not have made the substitution much faster than what they did. Which is actually more than what they are required to do.
If you want to call that an error in judgement rather than an error in applying the rules, yeah, sure, we can call it that. Either way it was still an error by the referee.
Joe and PittMan72 are 100% correct. It was a blown call by the officials. Pitt does this all the time when there is late sub by the offense. It's usually DL for DL and they take their time to slow play down and leave the O no time on the play clock.
I also realize we had a ranked 3-0 UNC team up here and the official's marching orders were made crystal clear in the first quarter. ACC officiating is an embarrassment.
I also realize we had a ranked 3-0 UNC team up here and the official's marching orders were made crystal clear in the first quarter. ACC officiating is an embarrassment.
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