Why doesn't Pitt do something like this?
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Why don't we find a way to build a 40 to 50G stadium , and those people will go down in history as great Pitt leaders for football, we haven't had one of those in 50 years now
Funny part is Clemson doesn't need it for games as there were butts in those seats. It would be interesting if the fans up top could come down during the game. It would definitely fill the lower stadium.
It would help immensely with optics.
Would help a bit with crown noise being more concentrated and help with enthusiasm packing everyone together more instead of having all these isolated people all over the place.
And, it would make clean up a little easier, not a huge thing, but just a win, win, win ...
Would help a bit with crown noise being more concentrated and help with enthusiasm packing everyone together more instead of having all these isolated people all over the place.
And, it would make clean up a little easier, not a huge thing, but just a win, win, win ...
It's called tarps. I been saying it for years. Also if you don't sale the tickets start giving them away to every youth football team in a 50 mile radius.
Tarp visitor side and half of the upper endzone bleachers.
As for giving tickets I agree. I think the Pitt students were out on break this week and for Syracuse game. give tickets,to all the high schools and let the students sit in the student section. Really who cares where they sit just let all local high schools in tri-state area or all wpial schools can each have X amount of tickets for faculty or students to use.
Just like they had the high school band fill in for the missing pitt band members this week, or at least appeared that all of the pitt band was not present.
That's painted on the seats and I don't think the Steelers would like it.
Can't just give tickets away. NCAA has rules regarding that. You could probably do middle and elementary schools but definitely not High Schools
Tarps are stupid, sorry. But giving free tickets to kids football leagues should be every week. Different sport, minor league actually, but the Baltimore Blast indoor soccer team, has youth leagues there every game, let's them go out on the field, recognizes them, their parents buy discounted tickets and it probably doubles their attendance. For a crappy minor league sport, they average 6K per game.
Why can't they just close off the upper section for games that are not PoSU, ND, or WVU? If they made everyone sit in the lower section, they would not have to pay anyone to work there, clean up, etc.
Not everyone wants to sit in the lower section- I have seats up top on the visitors side in the 3rd row at the 35 yard line and I would throw a fit if they made me move down to the lower bowl.
You do not have to close the whole upper section.. That is mac-level stuff and would leave 30k seats... Partial would be fine.
Because I sit there and ain't moving. How about we tarp the seat you like so we can pretend the stadium is fuller?In upper levels?
Then Tarp each last corner sections on visitor side and definitley the endzone seats top half. Im not a huge fan of tarps but they are better than the damn banana yellow seats and pockets of people thru out. the Oakland Raiders tarp off an entire upper section of Oakland Alameda Stadium. THE OAKLAND RAIDERS!!
The yellow seats are so bad that even when it's a good crowd you see the yellow with people actually sitting in the seats. It's freaking terrible. Pitt stadium was just as empty if not more so , especially mid 90s, and it was never such an issue.
The yellow seats are an eyesore and hideous, hence, IMO why tarps are better than sunshine yellow.
The yellow seats are so bad that even when it's a good crowd you see the yellow with people actually sitting in the seats. It's freaking terrible. Pitt stadium was just as empty if not more so , especially mid 90s, and it was never such an issue.
The yellow seats are an eyesore and hideous, hence, IMO why tarps are better than sunshine yellow.
You sit wherever the hell I tell you to sit!!
Are you old enough to know where "Sit on it" came from?
Are you old enough to know where "Sit on it" came from?
Maybe they can poke holes in the tarp so the fans can stick their head through them. May help when its cold out.
I think it would look weird and be confusing to people if we painted those yellow seats orange and wrote "CLEMSON" on one side and "TIGERS" on the other side.
All joking aside, I think tarps are an inevitability. They just have to be careful how they go about doing it. We are never going to consistently fill a 68,000 seat stadium so we either have to build a smaller stadium or we are going to need to right-size the one we have.
All joking aside, I think tarps are an inevitability. They just have to be careful how they go about doing it. We are never going to consistently fill a 68,000 seat stadium so we either have to build a smaller stadium or we are going to need to right-size the one we have.
Upper deck end zone should be have a tarp with a giant Pitt script. Those are bleacher seats and they suck. Knocks capacity down to 60K or less. That's it. Nothing else should be touched.
I think that's a fair place to start. Let's see how that goes and take things from there. Maybe that will be enough? If not, it's a good starting point.
Honestly, I think if they are done well, the tarps can serve as an advertising banner for the history of the program. You can ghost images of the players whose numbers' have been retired. You can also list the national championship seasons, major bowl victories, etc. It doesn't have to be a bland eye sore, it can look very, very nice - much better than a sea of empty yellow seats will ever look.
We can easily have a 45K seat stadium on the North Side. Tarp the upper deck endzone and the upper deck home sideline (because the visitor's side is the TV view so we need people there).
There you. A nice 45K seat stadium. Problem solved.
Honestly, I believe a big reason they dont know this is because its more difficult to make up attendance numbers in a smaller stadium. For example, Pitt/Duke was 1/3 full, not 1/2 half full like I am sure Pitt announced it was. The actual attendance was about 25K but without looking I'm sure they announced in the high 30's. Its easier to get away with that in a 70K seat stadium. However, if we played Duke in a tarped down 45K seat stadium which was half empty (which it would have been), you cant say there were 38K people there like you can say in our 70K seat home.
Having 70K available seats, unless WVU, ND, or PSU are coming to town is beyond stupid.
There you. A nice 45K seat stadium. Problem solved.
Honestly, I believe a big reason they dont know this is because its more difficult to make up attendance numbers in a smaller stadium. For example, Pitt/Duke was 1/3 full, not 1/2 half full like I am sure Pitt announced it was. The actual attendance was about 25K but without looking I'm sure they announced in the high 30's. Its easier to get away with that in a 70K seat stadium. However, if we played Duke in a tarped down 45K seat stadium which was half empty (which it would have been), you cant say there were 38K people there like you can say in our 70K seat home.
Having 70K available seats, unless WVU, ND, or PSU are coming to town is beyond stupid.
When are you people going to realize that tarping will do nothing but piss off some diehards. The lower bowl is sold out. People don't show up who have tickets. If you tarp the upper level the 1000 or so that have seats there will NOT go to games. Other seats are not available. God I am so sick of this argument. Please look at the facts the lower bowl is SOLD OUT no shows are the problem.
The lower bowl is sold out in name only. Pitt gives away thousands of lower bowl tickets as parts of sponsorship packages and they go unused. The 2 seats next to me are corporate-owned and have been used 3 times in 2 years (ND, PSU, VT). These tickets dont add much value to a sponsorship package (I mean these are prime seats that are never used). But Pitt has so many seats to sell, they act as free "throw-ins."
So, if we right-size to 45K, a few thousand lower level corporate tickets get opened up to Pitt who will actually use them. Pitt has far, far too many corporate tickets.
The Steelers actually share ownership, so partly true. In all actuality they are the decisionmakers, though. Without the Steelers, the stadium (essentially) dies and loses immense value.
The 1,000 or so that have seats? You mean in the upper endzone, right?
For those tarping people, that think it's a big deal for the place to look full on TV, even when it isn't, why do you care? Do you really believe more recruits from Florida or something will come because the place looks fuller on TV? Just asking why anyone thinks it's a huge deal.
And I also think the attendance we have is pretty damn good, considering the population of the region, and % of population that roots for other teams like tOSU, PSU & WVU and the performance of the team the last 30 years and having one of the iconic NFL franchises playing here too, and if they do have a 10-2 or 11-1 season, I think we will see way bigger crowds like 60k+.
And yes, I come to 1 or 2 games per year, but I am allowed to say any damn thing I want, there's no rules abut who can speak
And I also think the attendance we have is pretty damn good, considering the population of the region, and % of population that roots for other teams like tOSU, PSU & WVU and the performance of the team the last 30 years and having one of the iconic NFL franchises playing here too, and if they do have a 10-2 or 11-1 season, I think we will see way bigger crowds like 60k+.
And yes, I come to 1 or 2 games per year, but I am allowed to say any damn thing I want, there's no rules abut who can speak
Well that's stupid.
We make a 45,000 seat stadium we are going to be telling 10,000 wear to sit and it isn't at a stadium.
It's better. It's better for perception, for crowd noise, for visual, for fans at the game.
Eventually they will tarp because it's the smart thing to do.
If Pitt by some miracle builds a stadium and settles for 45,000 k stadium.... Just drop football altogether
I don't understand your last sentence, 79. Of course you can say whatever you'd like to say.
Also, I agree with you that for a program located in an NFL market, we absolutely do well in comparison to most of the other programs in similar situations. We draw better than or comparable to the likes of Boston College, Miami, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Minnesota, Northwestern, Houston, Temple, Cincinnati, SMU, Buffalo, Arizona State, etc.
As for the rest, I think right-sizing the stadium - IF EXECUTED PROPERLY - could improve the game day experience quite a bit. It would create demand for tickets, which would encourage a more rabid type of fan. A full 46K seat stadium feels almost exactly like a full 106K seat stadium. I think that's why so many schools that formerly played in large off-campus professional stadia have built their own smaller on-campus facilities.
However, I do agree with you that the issue is overstated by some. I don't think it is remotely a non-issue. It is definitely used as a weapon against us out on the recruiting trail. However, it can be somewhat overcome and marginalized by other factors.
Also, I agree with you that for a program located in an NFL market, we absolutely do well in comparison to most of the other programs in similar situations. We draw better than or comparable to the likes of Boston College, Miami, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Minnesota, Northwestern, Houston, Temple, Cincinnati, SMU, Buffalo, Arizona State, etc.
As for the rest, I think right-sizing the stadium - IF EXECUTED PROPERLY - could improve the game day experience quite a bit. It would create demand for tickets, which would encourage a more rabid type of fan. A full 46K seat stadium feels almost exactly like a full 106K seat stadium. I think that's why so many schools that formerly played in large off-campus professional stadia have built their own smaller on-campus facilities.
However, I do agree with you that the issue is overstated by some. I don't think it is remotely a non-issue. It is definitely used as a weapon against us out on the recruiting trail. However, it can be somewhat overcome and marginalized by other factors.
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