I think it probably gets upheld but you never know. The booth may have thought, "come on guys, he could have gotten 3 more yards, lets be real here."
Why has no reporter asked Duzz why he didnt challenge?
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Because it was not a call that can be challenged. Therefore, no need to ask him why he didn’t.
Your”come on guys, he could have gotten 3 more yards” really says it all.
Because that was the case, he could have ran 3 more yards without getting touched and still came down in bounds if he wanted to.
Just an unfortunate decision by CV to start his slide that close to the down marker when he easily could have gone another 2-3 yards.
I don’t get it though. He didn’t start his slide near the marker, he simply slowed down. Slowing down and sliding aren’t the same thing and a D1 ref should know that.
I’m sure the both would have thought that. As did anyone who saw the play. But that’s not gonna change anything. You can’t really think that would be the reason that spot was changed. Then again, maybe you can.
Exactly
And making a rule that unclear shouldn’t be a thing either… slowing down isn’t sliding… hell if a player cuts he can dip his hips … it’s way too subjective
Something that subjective is paralysis by analysis and frankly removes every single bit of common sense. It should not have been called, just as it wasn’t called in the FSU game in a key moment and no one batted an eye.
I said I think it would have been upheld but you never know. Its worth a challenge
Which is why I think there was a small chance the booth says come on guys, that's a 1st down.....even though it wasnt
College rules are weird to me. They'll challenge just about any call that is close or looks wrong, so even giving the coaches a challenge is an odd concept... because seemingly they're going to use it on one of the above, which upstairs is typically doing anyway.
Someone said you can't challenge anything under two minutes, but I have no idea if that's actually the case if if they were confusing it with the NFL.
Someone said you can't challenge anything under two minutes, but I have no idea if that's actually the case if if they were confusing it with the NFL.
Not saying it wouldn’t have been worth a shot if challengeable, But not because “The booth may have thought, "come on guys, he could have gotten 3 more yards, lets be real here."”
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I guess I didn’t see it that way. Definitely couldn’t tell live but seeing replays, sure looked to me like he started lowering his butt with his feet forward and knees bent before the down marker, just like in the popular still photo floating around. That looks like more than just slowing down to me. Add on top of that the ball was in his left/trailing arm, or more so short of the down marker than the rest of his body.
Fair enough. It’s just a stupid rule if we are all discussing these nuances that we all see differently.
You cannot challenge that call, so there is no point to continue acting like you can.
What was the acc ruling on the fsu slide?
The subjectivity also allows for bias. Judge it one way in the undefeated FSU game so that a conference team still has a shot at the playoff; judge the same exact play a completely different way in a game where one of the teams is having a surprisingly good season and has a chance for a very solid bowl game and to be ranked, whereas the other is going nowhere, its season is over, nobody cares if it’s screwed over, least of all itself as long as the check arrives.
It’s actually smart business, forgetting that it’s also terrible ethics.
Same as roughing and helmet to helmet among others. All rules in the name of safety and the calls are all going to lean on the conservative side.
They can’t have a slide rule in the name of safety and not call the ball down til the butt hits the ground while at the same time call a defender for roughing if he hits him after he starts the slide but before he hits the ground.
I don't think that's right. College coaches absolutely are allowed to challenge spots. In fact I would bet that is the call that college coaches challenge the most often (mostly because they already review the other "big stuff"). And college does not have a "you can't challenge any calls in the last two minutes" rule like the NFL does, college coaches can challenge calls at any point in the game (assuming that they have a timeout left).
What have you seen that makes you think the call couldn't have been challenged? I'd like to see that.
I basically agree ....... college coaches can challenge a ball carriers forward progress when it relates to first downs and the goal line ....... there was a question of where CV's forward progress was before the start of his slide (when the play was called dead) with regards to the first down marker so not sure why it could not be challenged ...... of course, the ACC said the officials call and placement of the ball was correct so if it was reviewed I suspect the ref would have decided the play stands as called or possible confirmed the call.
They surely would have said that the play stands as called, but I still think that given the situation you should challenge it and make them actually say it.
Unless they just passed a rule that we haven't heard about yet that lets us carry that time out over to this week's game.
Yes you can. In fact, Narduzzi challenged the spot before. In the Miami 2021 game, I believe he did.
Take out the slide, period. It's always been a ridiculous concept. Play to the whistle.
Since Duz doesn’t pay attention to the offense (per his own words) he may not always (or even frequently) even know there’s a situation occurring that he needs to engage in immediately.
He seems to have lost something after 2021. I really think he thought he could just go on auto pilot after it. We’ve all been alarmed that his recruiting has seemed to tail off, losing on continuously on prospects rather than get better after that year (the ravages of increasing NIL by all schools and Pitt’s reluctance to go balls in on it is also part of that, and it may have a depressing aspect on him as well).
One awful season shouldn’t define him, but it gives cause to alarm. Fans, especially those here who seem more in tune with pro sports, don’t seem to realize the precipice a mediocre college program like Pitt is on continuously. You don’t get rewarded for sucking with high draft picks. You suffer even worse in recruiting and it often leads to a death spiral.
He seems to have lost something after 2021. I really think he thought he could just go on auto pilot after it. We’ve all been alarmed that his recruiting has seemed to tail off, losing on continuously on prospects rather than get better after that year (the ravages of increasing NIL by all schools and Pitt’s reluctance to go balls in on it is also part of that, and it may have a depressing aspect on him as well).
One awful season shouldn’t define him, but it gives cause to alarm. Fans, especially those here who seem more in tune with pro sports, don’t seem to realize the precipice a mediocre college program like Pitt is on continuously. You don’t get rewarded for sucking with high draft picks. You suffer even worse in recruiting and it often leads to a death spiral.
I agree. Should play till you are down. If you fake a slide, penalize the player (like running after a fair catch) and go by the spot he lowered his ass. I dont agree with the principle that the QB gave himself up when he lowered his ass. He should be able to be awared those 2 extra yards and players should be able to hit him until he is down.
It definitely can be reviewed given that the ball is declared a "dead ball" at the point the runner begins his slide and dead ball spots are reviewable when considering a first down or touch down.
Rule 2. Definitions. Section 9. Article 2. Forward Progress
Forward progress is a term indicating the end of advancement by the ball carrier or airborne pass receiver of either team and applies to the position of the ball when it becomes dead by rule
Rule 4. Section 1. Article 3. Ball Declared Dead
r. When a ball carrier obviously begins a feet-first slide
Rule 12. Section 3. Reviewable Plays. Article 3. Dead Ball and Loose Ball
e. Ball carrier’s forward progress, spot of fumble, or spot of out-of-bounds backward pass, with respect to a first down or the goal line
challenge it and he'd have lost. ACC officials confirmed the call. it's over fellas, blame the psu kid but the right call was made.
Doesn't matter. You have 2 timeouts, you don't know what the replay official is going to do, you challenge the call.
The hardest call to change is a spot, and particularly one as subjective as that. He certainly could have challenged, and he most certainly would have lost. Moot point IMO.
It's a weak call in that instance. Just like a late game holding call on an offensive lineman that has nothing to do with the play. A call that's ignored 99% of the time, but technically is holding.
It's a weak call in that instance. Just like a late game holding call on an offensive lineman that has nothing to do with the play. A call that's ignored 99% of the time, but technically is holding.
Why stop there. Should also take out the rule allowing QBs to throw the ball away without penalty, play til you are down or penalize.
Of course in this day of ‘safety first’ the above will never happen. There’s a lot better chance we eventually end up with flag FB instead of tackle FB. After all, isn’t flag FB an Olympic sport now?
this is football in 2023, they dont want the qb to be hit and injured. you guys arguing about this rule are arguing about the trend in college and the nfl that has been happening for 20+ years..
Take out slide rule. ok, well then take out all hits to the head, take out targeting, take out no contact with a wr, change interference rules, again, we all agree, football has been pussified and will continue to be but dont cry about cte and concussions then.
you want to go back to the good ol days, so do i but then dont start a thread about some ex nfl football player shooting himself in the chest cause he's been hallucinating while sitting in a dark room for the last 12 years. you cant have one without the other..
Take out slide rule. ok, well then take out all hits to the head, take out targeting, take out no contact with a wr, change interference rules, again, we all agree, football has been pussified and will continue to be but dont cry about cte and concussions then.
you want to go back to the good ol days, so do i but then dont start a thread about some ex nfl football player shooting himself in the chest cause he's been hallucinating while sitting in a dark room for the last 12 years. you cant have one without the other..
If Pitt wanted to create a stink or put the ACC on the spot, show them the Pitt play and the FSU play side by side and ask them to explain why one is a first down with a generous spot, and the other isn't?
They both cannot be correct.
But as others have said, it is over. It was over the minute that ref put his hand up and moved to spot the ball.
Could have been avoided by running out of bounds, or running past the line to gain and then going down, but it wasn't.
Pitt still blew the game after that play. No one to blame but themselves.
The punter, the defense, the coaches, all helped the QB blow that game, and make no mistake, they blew it!!
They both cannot be correct.
But as others have said, it is over. It was over the minute that ref put his hand up and moved to spot the ball.
Could have been avoided by running out of bounds, or running past the line to gain and then going down, but it wasn't.
Pitt still blew the game after that play. No one to blame but themselves.
The punter, the defense, the coaches, all helped the QB blow that game, and make no mistake, they blew it!!
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Correct. It was a terrible call, but Pitt still should have stopped WF. Their QB was worse than Jurkovec. But Veilleux did nothing wrong, as witnessed by the fact that the same play happens over and over in football today and doesn’t get called the insane way the moron/jobber crew called it that time.
And the ACC sheepishly lying it about it three days after the crime, or Doofus Duz gutlessly blaming Veilleux instead of the refs (understandable given the persecution he’d face) or his terrible defense (which is the true gutless nature of his statements) don’t change that.
“Christian made a good play, it looked good at the time, and still looks good after watching the footage, but they called it how they called it. We still should have gotten a better punt and then stopped their young inexperienced quarterback, but we didn’t get it done. On to next week “ that’s exactly how it should have been said
A question on that FSU QB slide. I’ve only seen the still photo image, not a video of the full play.
The still photo shows his one knee real close to touching the ground while still a good yard or more from the 1st down line. Was he actually able to keep that knee from touching the ground until after the 1st down line? That looks impossible from the still photo.
If his knee hit the ground before the 1st down line, any slide rule doesn’t even matter, he should have been marked short of the 1st down.
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