Wild guesses on who stays and who goes if we hire a new coach
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It’s impossible to have any idea who will stay or go until the new coach is hired and we know more about his coaching style.
I agree there's only two guys I have a hunch about. I think Stewart might leave if stallings is gone. Sounds like his dad really wanted him to play for stallings, but then again if stallings isn't employed anywhere what's the point in sitting out a year (if that's even still the rule by then.)
Stevenson idk, I was thinking he might leave if stallings stays, but he's been back to getting more playing time again. Who knows though, maybe he's looking at this roster and wondering how say Chukwuka last night starts over him.
Other than those two though, I can't even pretend to make an educated guess about what anyone else is even gonna think about doing.
I don't know, I don't. I mean I suspect some guys who might leave (should) whether he stays or goes. Whoever is coaching here next year I have a hard time imagining Samson, Stephenson, Davis and Kene being here.
I can see Davis staying. New coach probably will not want to recruit 11 new players. Davis probably will not have a lot of options and has shown some indication he can be a bench player.
Davis has virtually zero redeemable qualities as a basketball player. Is he a good athlete? Yes. Is he a real life basketball? Hell no.
Golden - Recruits almost always leave
Kene - Coach would want rid of him
Samson - Coach would want rid of him
Stewart - Already referenced by other posters
Stevenson - Seems unhappy, might leave in any case
Carr - Toughest one to place in either category - This season was tough - He might want to move to a team without a rebuild ahead. (just my guess)
I can tell you who leaves he if remains coach. Any remaining remnants of the fan base.
It will be tough to lose any player that can contribute. But, other than Luther, there are no "must keeps" on this Pitt team.
Unless you know every kid’s personal situation or personal feelings what’s the point of speculating? Maybe they have girlfriends or other anchors at Pitt that they have built in their short time here. No one really knows so it’s really reckless to speculate on this topic.
Recruits almost always leave - Ha?? Do the names Kithcart, Clark, and Manigault ring a bell. They all stayed when Kev was hired.
I don't think Stevenson would have any P6 options and few high mid major level options, if any. I think Carr might have a few of high mid major level options and maybe a couple lowest (lower than us?) P6 options. I think Stewart would have a few P6 options, as well. Kene would obviously have 0 options in the P6 or high mid major level.
Guys who have to sit out a year and have already lost a year to another coaching staff are not that highly sought after unless they were very good prospects or they have played at a really, really high level with big potential. Golden would obviously get a lot of late interest as a decent prospect available after coaching changes and draft entries. Now, if the transfer rule changes for this year (I don't think it would until the next season) it would obviously make Stewart and Carr more valuable, but they still won't have a LOT of way better options. They are still limited players and have lost a year.
I think he's probably the best defensive player on the team. Faint praise, though.
Stays: Luther, Ellison, Frame, K.Davis. Brown, Peace, Kingsby, Stewart, Stevenson, Carr
Goes: Kene, Samson, Golden
I could see Golden and Kingsby leaving or staying depending on whether a new coach is lazy enough to just sit tight and Golden likes him (Kingsby will have essentially 0 other options) or both leaving because the new coach wants to actually recruit his own guys and Golden doesn't like the fit. I'll project Golden gets some other opportunities and goes elsewhere, but I think there is a very good chance he stays.
A transition with 11 (including Golden) coming back and the new coach being able to bring in 2 more of his own guys is pretty solid. Then you would see Luther and Frame, plus at least one of Davis and Peace leaving after 2018-19. 2019 will be the foundational class for the next coach.
Goes: Kene, Samson, Golden
I could see Golden and Kingsby leaving or staying depending on whether a new coach is lazy enough to just sit tight and Golden likes him (Kingsby will have essentially 0 other options) or both leaving because the new coach wants to actually recruit his own guys and Golden doesn't like the fit. I'll project Golden gets some other opportunities and goes elsewhere, but I think there is a very good chance he stays.
A transition with 11 (including Golden) coming back and the new coach being able to bring in 2 more of his own guys is pretty solid. Then you would see Luther and Frame, plus at least one of Davis and Peace leaving after 2018-19. 2019 will be the foundational class for the next coach.
I'd say Kene stays but I otherwise agree. I think the Toronto kids leave and Stewart leaves. Samson may be asked to stay because we'd need players.
Good question for some thought and discussion. But it's so hard to tell until we have the new coach in place and he does some damage control.
Just speculation, but I think Carr and/or Stewart might be gone. Brown may stay, and of course Luther. Also, Ellison and Frame would probably stick around. After that, it's anybody's guess.
The sad part about this is that all of these players, including Luther, are nothing more than bench players on a good ACC team. The new coach will need to infuse some top talent that can start immediately, probably through transfers and JUCO ranks.
Just speculation, but I think Carr and/or Stewart might be gone. Brown may stay, and of course Luther. Also, Ellison and Frame would probably stick around. After that, it's anybody's guess.
The sad part about this is that all of these players, including Luther, are nothing more than bench players on a good ACC team. The new coach will need to infuse some top talent that can start immediately, probably through transfers and JUCO ranks.
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Pitt hires a credible coach I say no one the new coach wants to keep leaves.
Who cares? Is there anyone on the current team worth caring about? (As far as basketball abilities that is, I'm sure they're all nice people).
The new coach should set up a roster similar to this. This will keep class balance and still allow Pitt to be respectable next year.
Sr - Luther
Sr - Wilson-Frame
Sr - Grad Transfer
Jr - Ellison
Jr - Kingsby
Jr - Juco
So - Carr
So - Brown
So - Stewart
So - Stevenson
Fr - Golden
Fr - Another player
Fr - Another player
Sr - Luther
Sr - Wilson-Frame
Sr - Grad Transfer
Jr - Ellison
Jr - Kingsby
Jr - Juco
So - Carr
So - Brown
So - Stewart
So - Stevenson
Fr - Golden
Fr - Another player
Fr - Another player
I don’t think there’s any chance we get a Grad any better than Boykins. There’s probably a greater chance we lose Luther as a Grad than that.
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He’s a pretty good man defender for a freshmen. He’s not a bad 10-13 player on a team especially if he has a high GPA. He seems like a good kid who is a good teammate as well. We eat our own
This is more realistic than most of the other speculation floated in this thread.
The only one I think will stay with any amount of confidence is Frame. If they haven't already, the rest are considering their options. A good number of them will leave because they see the handwriting on the wall.
I have no faith the new guy will immediately dip into the JUCO and grad transfer pool and find difference makers. Look for more of the same next year; a lot of ugly losing.
It’s not about want, it’s about situation. Most grad transfers, good ones, are coming from minor leagues to get a chance to play in an NCAA tournament. That will not happen next year.
Eric Musselman turned a 9 win Nevada team into a Top 25 Program in short order. He built his program on transfers. If you hire him, then I would bet he will bring in immediate help.
A couple of thoughts:
The only one of the new comers who is a traditionally aged freshman is Carr. The rest of these kids are already 20 years old or will be shortly. Kene is a 21 year old freshman!. I think this will limit some of these kids opportunities as well as desire to transfer.
Secondly, and most importantly, I would characterize this question more accurately as "who does the new coach want to keep!"
The only one of the new comers who is a traditionally aged freshman is Carr. The rest of these kids are already 20 years old or will be shortly. Kene is a 21 year old freshman!. I think this will limit some of these kids opportunities as well as desire to transfer.
Secondly, and most importantly, I would characterize this question more accurately as "who does the new coach want to keep!"
I agree Stewart would be tough to determine. It would probably be about who the next coach is. He is one of the guys who might fit in almost any system. If nothing else, he could be a role playing shooter for many programs. Would he choose to sit a year to go somewhere else with more PT in a particular system? Possibly, but that may come down to the new coach.
But even Stewart loses a lot of value with the sit out rule in place. We know his ceiling is limited. He is a shooter, but can't create or play defense. That is not going to change. He lost a year of eligibility and then would have to sit out a season. How many P6 teams would rather take a guy with that limited ceiling and who they have to put on scholarship for 4 years, just to get 3 years out of them, over a new recruit who can play right away and has 5 years to play 4? There are some, but most are at the bottom of their conferences, too, and/or will be under going coaching changes, as well.
Even our most intriguing players won't have many decent options.
Getting transfers to compete in the Mountain West is one thing; the ACC is another.
