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The “GOAT” has never made in past the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament.

He's coached McNeese State and had to miss the NCAAT at LSU for trying too hard. The guy will be a Hall of Famer. NC State will be in the Sweet 16 in his first 3 years. This is an SMF guarantee.
 
The “GOAT” has never made in past the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament.
LSU made the sweet 16 once, and he has outperformed expectations everywhere he's gone. He's made the tournament 8 of the last 9 years (I'm counting the COVID year since LSU would have been comfortably in) at 3 different schools, and he has recruited very well as an assistant and HC at every type of school imaginable.

I'm not as big a fan of him as SMF because that's not possible, but he's going to do well there this season while we're watching year 8 of a "brick by brick" rebuild.
 
LSU made the sweet 16 once, and he has outperformed expectations everywhere he's gone. He's made the tournament 8 of the last 9 years (I'm counting the COVID year since LSU would have been comfortably in) at 3 different schools, and he has recruited very well as an assistant and HC at every type of school imaginable.

I'm not as big a fan of him as SMF because that's not possible, but he's going to do well there this season while we're watching year 8 of a "brick by brick" rebuild.
I respectfully disagree that Will Wade should get credit for LSU making the Sweet 16 in 2019. If anything, it’s a mark against him that an assistant coach has made it further in the tournament. And I’m not sure I’d consider a fired Will Wade as making the tournament in 2022 either.
 
I respectfully disagree that Will Wade should get credit for LSU making the Sweet 16 in 2019. If anything, it’s a mark against him that an assistant coach has made it further in the tournament. And I’m not sure I’d consider a fired Will Wade as making the tournament in 2022 either.
Okay.

I would be willing to bet a lot of money that NCSU finishes well ahead of us in the standings this year, because Wade is a significantly better recruiter and coach than Capel. Would you take the other side of that bet?
 
But what makes you think Wade is better than any recent ACC hires like Pat Kelsey, Ryan Odom, Micah Shrewsberry, or Andy Enfield?

The way I feel about Wade is the same way I felt about Nate Oats. Some of it is a gut feeling but he is THAT young, charismatic, energetic guy that usually does extremely well. And he's proven to do whatever it takes to win. I love coaches who are obsessed with winning
 
But what makes you think Wade is better than any recent ACC hires like Pat Kelsey, Ryan Odom, Micah Shrewsberry, or Andy Enfield?
Pat Kelsey is also a great hire, and Enfield should do well at SMU. I don't think Shrewsberry will succeed at ND, and I don't expect Odom to be anywhere as good as Bennett was at UVA but he'll probably do well enough to last a while.

Wade wins consistently. Kelsey does as well. I want Pitt to hire winners, because they are likely to win here. It doesn't seem like rocket science, but the concept consistently eludes our leadership.

The comparison with NCST is relevant because they have a better history than we do, but we are peers with them or better this millennium. I now expect them to be a clear step above us (along with Ville thanks to their recent hire, since you brought it up) until our coaching situation is resolved.
 
But what makes you think Wade is better than any recent ACC hires like Pat Kelsey, Ryan Odom, Micah Shrewsberry, or Andy Enfield?
Speaking of Ryan Odom, his recruiting has been really weird. His most effective strategy has been to hone in on transfer portal players that already have their so-called final list cut to 3 or 4 schools, do a zoom meeting in which he drops a bag that is significantly more than any other offer, and tell him he needs a decision now. His hot box technique has worked several times.

Conversely, every recruit Odom really wants that makes it in person for a campus visit seems to get away. It's bizarre.

Odom is playing with around $7 to $10 mil recruiting budget this year. Significantly more than the roughly $3 million allotted to Bennett. Seems Bennett could have had just as much as UVA is giving Odom, but Bennett pushed back on that.
 
It looks like Wade and NCSU are making a strong ass offer for PJ Haggerty.

Haggerty changes things some, but I think Wade's class overall has been a little underwhelming compared to the hype.
 
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Speaking of Ryan Odom, his recruiting has been really weird. His most effective strategy has been to hone in on transfer portal players that already have their so-called final list cut to 3 or 4 schools, do a zoom meeting in which he drops a bag that is significantly more than any other offer, and tell him he needs a decision now. His hot box technique has worked several times.

Conversely, every recruit Odom really wants that makes it in person for a campus visit seems to get away. It's bizarre.

Odom is playing with around $7 to $10 mil recruiting budget this year. Significantly more than the roughly $3 million allotted to Bennett. Seems Bennett could have had just as much as UVA is giving Odom, but Bennett pushed back on that.

$3 million last year equals about $10 million this year as numbers have skyrocketed because schools can pay players directly now. UVa does have a Top 15-20 player payroll this year, however.
 
The way I feel about Wade is the same way I felt about Nate Oats. Some of it is a gut feeling but he is THAT young, charismatic, energetic guy that usually does extremely well. And he's proven to do whatever it takes to win. I love coaches who are obsessed with winning
Will Wade is the Hugh Freeze of college basketball. We’ll see what happens when he doesn’t have a huge “recruiting advantage”.
 
$3 million last year equals about $10 million this year as numbers have skyrocketed because schools can pay players directly now. UVa does have a Top 15-20 player payroll this year, however.
Truth. UVA is paying between $13 to $14 mil for next year's roster. They were at $10 mil before last week. Malik Thomas is over $2 mil, and the bidding war for Thijs De Ridder started at $2. UVA apparently won that & his commitment should be announced once NCAA Clearinghouse issues are settled.

This is insane.
 
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Truth. UVA is paying between $13 to $14 mil for next year's roster. They were at $10 mil before last week. Malik Thomas is over $2 mil, and the bidding war for Thijs De Ridder started at $2. UVA apparently won that & his commitment should be announced once NCAA Clearinghouse issues are settled.

This is insane.

I believe that based on what I have read on who is paying what. Congratulations to UVa as they have bought an NCAAT appearance. Pitt is paying 10/11/12 seed money but so are 40 other P5 teams at their level. So comes down to coaching.

Where is UVa getting this money?
 
I believe that based on what I have read on who is paying what. Congratulations to UVa as they have bought an NCAAT appearance. Pitt is paying 10/11/12 seed money but so are 40 other P5 teams at their level. So comes down to coaching.

Where is UVa getting this money?
It's UVA - very much an elitist wine & cheese crowd as far as public universities go. They have money.

Bennett wasn't comfortable going all in on NIL (pay for play) & the decline the last 5 years has been alarming, to say the least. They still want to remain relevant.

Not making any predictions on how it's going to play out as far as making the tourney. I don't feel comfortable sizing up a team's identity until mid-January. Pitt for example... everyone wrote off the 22-23 team in December, and was really high on last year's squad going into conference play. It's just a noticeably different approach than in past years & one you have been advocating for ACC schools to adopt.
 
It's UVA - very much an elitist wine & cheese crowd as far as public universities go. They have money.

It doesn't matter if the university has money. They can only pay $20 million total for ALL sports. So are they spending $10 million on basketball and $10 million on football? Additional bball donors contributing $3 million to NIL fund?
 
It doesn't matter if the university has money. They can only pay $20 million total for ALL sports. So are they spending $10 million on basketball and $10 million on football? Additional bball donors contributing $3 million to NIL fund?
Virginia has an alumni base with some very, very deep pockets. The JPJ was made possible, essentially, by a single donor. I have a suspicion that $3 million is/was not a very great obstacle. It is also worth remembering that the school's baseball, soccer, lacrosse, swimming & diving, and tennis programs enjoy national success and have their own donor support. Additionally, I remain a bit skeptical that UVa bought an NCAA bid. It may happen, but there is only a single player returning who has ever suited up in a UVa uniform (Elijah Gertrude), and that was two seasons ago. On paper, this looks like a very promising squad, but, for the moment, they're just a collection of talented players. They are not yet a team. No one knows what sort of chemistry will result. And, until they demonstrate that they are a team, no thoughts of post season play are worth considering. We'll know more after Christmas. FWIW, Kansas State looked as good, if not better, on paper last year, and they enjoyed a very mediocre season.
 
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Virginia has an alumni base with some very, very deep pockets. The JPJ was made possible, essentially, by a single donor. I have a suspicion that $3 million is/was not a very great obstacle. It is also worth remembering that the school's baseball, soccer, lacrosse, swimming & diving, and tennis programs enjoy national success and have their own donor support. Additionally, I remain a bit skeptical that UVa bought an NCAA bid. It may happen, but there is only a single player returning who has ever suited up in a UVa uniform (Elijah Gertrude), and that was two seasons ago. On paper, this looks like a very promising squad, but, for the moment, they're just a collection of talented players. They are not yet a team. No one knows what sort of chemistry will result. And, until they demonstrate that they are a team, no thoughts of post season play are worth considering. We'll know more after Christmas. FWIW, Kansas State looked as good, if not better, on paper last year, and they enjoyed a very mediocre season.

Every team is a new team. I have read that UVa has a Top 15 player payroll. If that is true, then yes, they bought a bid. Good for them and good for the ACC.

Speaking of the 🐐 Will Wade, though, he landed the #2 player in the portal. The dude can flat recruit.
 
Who did he land?

Haggerty from Memphis.

Wade and UVa's spending has been very good for the ACC. Also Miami's spending. No idea if Lucas can coach but they are spending enough to easily get a bid.

So based on coaching/spending, the ACC should get in:

Duke
Lou
NC St
UVa
Clem
Miami
UNC

There's a drop off after that.
 
Haggerty from Memphis.

Wade and UVa's spending has been very good for the ACC. Also Miami's spending. No idea if Lucas can coach but they are spending enough to easily get a bid.

So based on coaching/spending, the ACC should get in:

Duke
Lou
NC St
UVa
Clem
Miami
UNC

There's a drop off after that.
Is that a done deal now, or is he still testing the NBA draft waters?
 
Haggerty to Kansas State. Speculation is that State didn't have enough left in the bank to compete after the Williams commitment.
 
Haggerty to Kansas State. Speculation is that State didn't have enough left in the bank to compete after the Williams commitment.

Haggerty had agreed a deal with NC State but came back and asked for more money. They may have reallocated some to Williams but I think they just didn’t feel like dealing with the oncoming headache

In any event, Wade is going to have that thing humming soon if not immediately. Best hire of the cycle
 
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Pat Kelsey is also a great hire, and Enfield should do well at SMU. I don't think Shrewsberry will succeed at ND, and I don't expect Odom to be anywhere as good as Bennett was at UVA but he'll probably do well enough to last a while.

Wade wins consistently. Kelsey does as well. I want Pitt to hire winners, because they are likely to win here. It doesn't seem like rocket science, but the concept consistently eludes our leadership.

The comparison with NCST is relevant because they have a better history than we do, but we are peers with them or better this millennium. I now expect them to be a clear step above us (along with Ville thanks to their recent hire, since you brought it up) until our coaching situation is resolved.
Pitt hires by checking boxes.
 
I believe that based on what I have read on who is paying what. Congratulations to UVa as they have bought an NCAAT appearance. Pitt is paying 10/11/12 seed money but so are 40 other P5 teams at their level. So comes down to coaching.

Where is UVa getting this money?
Very, very wealthy alumni. Plus, UVA is one of the schools that pays players directly.
 
Very, very wealthy alumni. Plus, UVA is one of the schools that pays players directly.

Every school, including Pitt is paying players the maximum amount of $20 million. Is UVa devoting more of that to basketball? Did the UVa alums just get wealthy this year? Why hadn't they paid well before? Bennett didn't believe in it?
 
Did the UVa alums just get wealthy this year? Why hadn't they paid well before? Bennett didn't believe in it?
Among other things, I don't think Coach Bennett did believe in it. I imagine it is one of the reasons he stepped down as Virginia's coach. It is also worth remembering that, from 2014 through 2023 (I think), UVa's basketball team had the best overall record in the ACC. He obviously had a pretty good idea of what worked prior to NIL, and I don't think that paying players was one of his Five Pillars. As far as Virginia's finances go, despite its smaller alumni base, when I was in school (a half century ago), Virginia had the largest endowment of any public university in the country. That's changed as large schools such as Michigan and Texas have overtaken it, but it is still significant. Lastly, UVa's athletic department enjoys support across all its programs. Since 2010, Virginia has won 19 NCAA titles, including: basketball, baseball, men's soccer, men's lacrosse (2), men's tennis (6), women's swimming & diving (5 in a row), and women's rowing (2). The AD has the resources to compete.
 
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