I won't disagree with you in total, and perhaps you are correct it is way to simplistic. But others have felt so too, from Maryland's BB Coach, to an article from Big East BB Coaches, and he did make mistakes in not having GOR in place before UMD left? Also, New York City is a way better place to hold the ACC Tourney every year over Charlotte, in my opinion!
Maryland’s BB coach complained about not getting calls, etc. Same thing with Florida St fans whining about calls going against them. Big East coaches aren’t even in the conference, so an irrelevant point. There isn’t anything demonstrable that proves Swofford is favoring North Carolina to the detriment of the conference.
The GOR comes back to a point I’ve made before. It takes the votes of the university presidents. Swofford can’t just do this on his own. You are making it out like everybody knew the GOR was needed, and Swofford purposely didn’t do it. That’s simply a fabrication. The fact is, the ACC schools as a whole didn’t realize the need for a GOR. If you recall, they voted to raise the exit fee to $52 million. They thought this measure had everything covered. It turns out that the exit fee wasn’t enough. In that sense, you are correct. The problem is, the ACC did take a preventative step. It just turned out to be the wrong step. You can’t twist that into Swofford screwing the conference in favor of North Carolina.
New York is ok, but not every year, and Charlotte is definitely the best place for the tournament, just like with the CCG. The ACC held the tournament in D.C. years back, and it was a complete flop.
UNC & Duke went on record saying, Expansion would not mean that much more money for each ACC team, and they were not wrong, it was about the same money once divided up, since VA did not improve TV Monies as much as Cuse bringing in New York. And they then UNC & Duke said, fine, once UVA demanded VT get in over Cuse.
Actually, no, that’s not true. At the time, the ACC had a separate basketball contract with Raycom. (It’s ironic because back then, Raycom syndicated games to ESPN.) At that time, the Raycom contract paid more than ESPN’s football contract with the SEC. Think about that for a minute.
Yet, the Big East counter and created a better BB League and did not lose the BCS bid Swofford thought would go away. Those were missteps by Swofford and why additional expansion was needed later and those are facts too. Now that the Big Ten is in New York City, Chicago, and DC, I think those facts were msitake by Swofford too! FACTS not any opinion!
He wasn’t trying to kill the Big East. This is again another internet rumor. The ACC expanded primarily because Florida St and Miami had penis-envy about Florida and the SEC. If the ACC had not expanded, Florida St and Georgia Tech were leaving for the Big East (with an unnamed group of teams).
Check your timing there, if the ACC had taken WVU and Rutgers in 2011 when they took Pitt & Cuse that may have prevented UMD from leaving in 2012 and Swofford not having a, ACC GOR actually had FSU & Clemson thinking of leaving too. This could have prevented the Big Ten from being in New York is my contention and the GOR would have stopped UMD.
We can’t say anything for 100% certainty, but no, adding Rutgers and West Virginia wouldn’t have prevented Maryland from leaving. Maryland left for one simple reason—Money. They were bleeding debt, and the Big Ten simply offered more money. Adding Rutgers and West Virginia wouldn’t have made up the money gap.
You are getting into 20/20 hindsight with the GOR. In that case, you wouldn’t need any new teams. You could just get a GOR to lock all your teams into place without having to get Rutgers and West Virginia.
Well, Rutgers served the Big Ten purpose is that not an ACC mistake?
Nope, it’s not. You don’t add teams just to keep another conference from having them. If Rutgers and West Virginia don’t benefit the ACC financially, then no, you don’t add them.
Well, once again, Swofford saved UNC Alumnus & Son's Employer Raycom for Charlotte after SEC dumped them. Comcast in Philly would have been just a good, but we went through that already, and I again think that was big mistake by Swofford. Again, Swofford not going for an ACCN in 2010 is a mistake by some media experts as well.
It wasn’t. You admitted in the last thread that Raycom didn’t prevent the ACC from doing anything. It didn’t cost them a network, and it didn’t cost them any rights. The reason the ACC didn’t get a network is because they simply didn’t understand how profitable it was. You can label that part a mistake, but Raycom didn’t have anything to do with that.
Well, New York is Cuse and i agree with you, but Rutgers is New Jersey and they have plenty of Cable Subscribers as well, and that would have been both NY & NJ, and kept Big Ten out of NYC? If he had all schools with GOR set up too, at the time of 2010 expansion, he would still have UMD too?
Like I said, you don’t take a school just to block another conference.
Yeah, if there had been a GOR, of course Maryland would still be here. Again that’s 20/20 hindsight.
New Jersey is a big cable market and 11th most populated state? I agree WVU is not as big, that I mentioned in my first posts, as I stated, WVU brings traveling Alumni to Stadiums for Attendance. FACT-The Big Ten thought enough of Rutgers to invite them with their Cable Subscribers?
Right, because the Big Ten has a network and the ACC doesn’t. I don’t see why you are making that argument. If the ACC had a network, then yeah, it’s a good idea to bring in all those subscribers. The problem is, they don’t have a network, so all those subscribers don’t do them any good.
Well, you know your mistakes in that assumption, the Big Ten thought it was big enough?
Again, the Big Ten has a network. That’s why they brought in Rutgers. That’s a completely difference circumstance than the ACC, which doesn’t have a network.
Woe, Nellie???? Above you said, the ACC had no Network so Cable Subscribers not important in NJ or WV?Moreover, so, how did UMD-Maryland and Rutgers-New Jersey add significant money to the Big Ten, but not the ACC using your logic?
What do you mean how? Because the Big Ten has a network, that’s how. They have a network, so they make money off all those subscribers. That’s how the increase their revenue. The ACC doesn’t.
Well, I disagree, and the Big Ten thought it was significant enough to add UMD & Rutgers and be in DC/Baltimore and NYC with an office in NYC, while ACC sits in Charlotte a place you said Swofford does not favor???
Again, if the ACC had a network, it would be a different story. They don’t. Also, you keep forgetting that the Big Ten didn’t already have a New York presence. The ACC already has a New York presence with Syracuse, so that’s again a different situation from the Big Ten.
WVU fans would help increase and help sell out some ACC Stadiums that are close by in UMD, Rutgers, Pitt, UVA Stadiums too and that increases revenues too! Penn State Fans help sell out Rutgers and UMD Stadiums now too.
More importantly, had Swofford set up an ACCN in 2011 with ESPN the ACC would be sharing more revenues too by now, instead of selling Rights to save Swofford's Big UNC Buddy Raycom, that SEC thought was wise to abandon?
OK, now you’re back to this again. He wasn’t selling rights. You can keep saying it all you want, but it isn’t true.
Let me give you one more example about this network business. Back in 2012, before Maryland left, Terry Don Philips, Clemson’s AD at the time, was on the local sports station. He was asked about the rumors of the Big Ten expanding, and about the TV contract issues. He said that the projections floating around about the Big Ten’s payouts were, “simply not realistic.” Well, turns out, those numbers were realistic.
So what’s the point of that story? The point is, the ACC as a whole just didn’t realize the value of a network. They simply didn’t realize it would bring in that much money. IT would be one thing if Swofford or somebody in North Carolina made that comment. However, the fact that it came from Clemson’s AD, one of the football schools, just shows you that it wasn’t only Swofford that missed the boat on a network. The whole conference didn’t realize it. Is that a mistake? Yeah, if you want to call it that, it was a mistake. The point is, it was only that, a mistake. It wasn’t due to some nefarious plan by Swofford to favor North Carolina.
Today, the Big Ten goes from the Atlantic-NYC-DC/BALTIMORE to Great Lakes-CHICAGO to Great Plains in continuity. The Big Ten now shares the ACC in the Northeast and is smart to be in NYC with an office. As Swofford discusses whether, he should keep the ACC Tourney in Charlotte with a SEC Network, but not ACCN? So much for UNC Swofford not favoring his North Carolina roots?
No, and frankly this is getting ridiculous. Swofford simply can’t stop the Big Ten. If they want in the Northeast, they are going to get in the Northeast. They have an office in NYC because they have a network. The ACC doesn’t. Again, you have a lot of people besides Swofford to blame for that (including people at Clemson and Florida St.). It wasn’t part of come coverup to please North Carolina.
