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Wonder if Rushel Shell regrets what he did now...

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Revenge Of The Noise said:
Seemed to become a Hot Tub Hero as that season went along and the seeds of the ire from Chryst grew. Recall it started poorly to begin with.

If the PG puff pieces are to be believed he matured so for his sake hopefully he takes things more seriously now.
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I'll give Shell the benefit of the doubt. He did seem to get his act together somewhat, but not getting kicked out of WVU isn't really all that difficult.

Bottom line, I don't think Shell ever put the effort in to become a top back. In high school he could just dominate based on talent alone. As I posted earlier alls well that end well as losing Shell led to the rise of Conner who is 20X the player Shell is.

Hopefully this will be the last we hear from him and he will fade into oblivion later this summer in Hopewell.
 
King Of All Message Boards said:
You people need to get it thru your heads. There's no sentiment with picks/signings. NONE. They draft and sign whoever they think might help them. Back stories don't matter. Schools don't matter.

Some teams remove guys from their boards because of criminal matters but it only takes one team to pick a guy - see Mixon Westbrook and the guy Cleveland picked who they're already considering releasing.
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Except for Rocky Bleier which was all because of great sentiment by Art Sr. None of the Steelers staff wanted anything to do with Bleier but Old Man Rooney insisted.
 
King Of All Message Boards said:
You people need to get it thru your heads. There's no sentiment with picks/signings. NONE. They draft and sign whoever they think might help them. Back stories don't matter. Schools don't matter.

Some teams remove guys from their boards because of criminal matters but it only takes one team to pick a guy - see Mixon Westbrook and the guy Cleveland picked who they're already considering releasing.
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Obviously, there has to be a need in order for the Steelers to sign a player. But when it comes to the bottom of the depth chart, I think sentiment might play a small part in some instances. Under Tomlin, it seems like he has a thing for 757 reclamation projects. (Michael Vick, Justin Hunter) It would be hard to imagine the Steelers signing players with their background in the past. And also maybe it plays a part in the post-draft free agent signings, where roster spots are sometimes a long shot anyway.
 
TD_6082 said:
Obviously, there has to be a need in order for the Steelers to sign a player. But when it comes to the bottom of the depth chart, I think sentiment might play a small part in some instances. Under Tomlin, it seems like he has a thing for 757 reclamation projects. (Michael Vick, Justin Hunter) It would be hard to imagine the Steelers signing players with their background in the past. And also maybe it plays a part in the post-draft free agent signings, where roster spots are sometimes a long shot anyway.
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What is 757? Is that an area code in Virginia? Because if sentiment plays any role, I think Tomlin does like to see the Virginia guys that have fallen on rough times rejuvenate themselves.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Its annoying that the Steelers followed up their most popular pick ever (from a pure Pitt fan's perspective) by signing the anti-James Conner, the local hero turned villain.
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Who cares about BS like that, if he can play that's all that matters, it should be objective, pure logic, no sentiment, no feelings. If Shell plays better than Conner I'd root for Shell to get the spot and the playing time, it's all and only about who delivers for the team today. What kind of person they are shouldn't factor into the decision. Lot's of "good guys" on the bench.
 
raleighpanther said:
Shell was never one of the top running backs in the country. He would never have been one in college no matter what he did. In HS, he ran people over because he was bigger than HS kids.

I think he reached his full potential at WVU. And that full potential at the next level is an undrafted free agent signing.
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That doesn't make any sense, Doesn't that go for all recruits? What ever their star rating was, it's because what they did in high school against high school players
 
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TD_6082 said:
Obviously, there has to be a need in order for the Steelers to sign a player. But when it comes to the bottom of the depth chart, I think sentiment might play a small part in some instances. Under Tomlin, it seems like he has a thing for 757 reclamation projects. (Michael Vick, Justin Hunter) It would be hard to imagine the Steelers signing players with their background in the past. And also maybe it plays a part in the post-draft free agent signings, where roster spots are sometimes a long shot anyway.
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Justin Hunter? After the draft, he has essentially a 0% chance to make the team, if Bryant is re-instated. He was a street FA signing with little chance to make the roster. There is no sentiment there. Mike Vick was a great signing, who served as a capable backup QB for peanuts.
 
Jpripper88 said:
Justin Hunter? After the draft, he has essentially a 0% chance to make the team, if Bryant is re-instated. He was a street FA signing with little chance to make the roster. There is no sentiment there. Mike Vick was a great signing, who served as a capable backup QB for peanuts.
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Exactly. Why even bother with Hunter considering his background? Those are guys that given their past, the Steelers normally wouldn't touch.
 
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TD_6082 said:
Exactly. Why even bother with Hunter considering his background? Those are guys that given their past, the Steelers normally wouldn't touch.
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It is always a hit, miss and fix in the NFL and Steeler's have had plenty of both. Rocky Bleier or James Harrison all came and went or stayed and got better until they contributed in ways never dreamed.

I think part of it was established under the selection of Noll, Cowher, and Tomlin known to be Persistence Back-Ups Players in the NFL, that learned to coach up their own lack of talent compared to others, and develop the ability to teach it to others if those Players work on it?

I think TJ Watt, James Conner, Scott Orndoff and Rushell Shell all have had to deal with doubts and required adversity that helps make them never give up. We shall see if they can excel in the NFL now too? It is bigger, quicker, and brutally hitting game where injuries take their tolls on some of the Best & Finest but always the Brightest learn to play the game if they study and improve themselves every day.

Other examples and many can differ, along with current Steeler's Rogers, Matakevich, and some others prove it too.

Along in bringing back Former Stars like Vick, Plaxico and Farrior come back and contribute.

Sometimes Big Players do come from Small Beginnings that require more than One Second Chances!
 
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TD_6082 said:
Exactly. Why even bother with Hunter considering his background? Those are guys that given their past, the Steelers normally wouldn't touch.
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Those are guys the Steelers definitely would touch. And Vick was an ENTIRELY different situation than Hunter. Hunter is completely a flyer to cover for if Bryant didn't get back, the draft didn't produce an option, and DHB falls off or Coates was hurt. Literally just a guy as insurance. He now has essentially a 0% chance of making the team. It has absolutely nothing to do with "757".

Vick was brought in to be a cheap backup option with big upside, if Ben got hurt. There was nothing else like him on the market.
 
TD_6082 said:
Exactly. Why even bother with Hunter considering his background? Those are guys that given their past, the Steelers normally wouldn't touch.
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You mean because he was arrested for being in a bar fight? LOL, IMO that's TYPICAL of football players and no big deal. I saw Bill Fralic pound some kid's face into a bloody pulp at Zelda's one night, Police must of covered it up it never made news. LOL!
 
Pitt79 said:
You mean because he was arrested for being in a bar fight? LOL, IMO that's TYPICAL of football players and no big deal. I saw Bill Fralic pound some kid's face into a bloody pulp at Zelda's one night, Police must of covered it up it never made news. LOL!
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Yeah, there was a little more to it than your typical bar fight.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-wr-justin-hunter-released-from-virginia-jail

Just saying that I don't think the Steelers would have touched a guy like Hunter in the past.
 
YourPittDanceTeam said:
How in the world do you arrive at the "way you put it is a little insulting to Conner" out of what I said??? If Shell would have not lost his mind and stayed at Pitt, he would have certainly entered the 2013 season (Conner's first at Pitt if I'm not mistaken) as the starting TB based upon his performance during the 2012 season. If Shell had stayed at Pitt, Conner may not have even been given the opportunity to "rise to the top" as you said. I'm not saying that Shell is better then Conner now, but back then, with the Pitt roster comprised the way it was, Conner may have ended up being used as a DE, not a RB.
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Most likely Conner would have remained a DE recruit.
 
TD_6082 said:
Yeah, there was a little more to it than your typical bar fight.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-wr-justin-hunter-released-from-virginia-jail

Just saying that I don't think the Steelers would have touched a guy like Hunter in the past.
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Who cares, if he went to court and served whatever punishment the state gave him, there should be no hesitance to sign such a person. He's paid his dues, if he can play, I want him.

I'm glad the Steelers are willing to sign player like this now. In the past it made me sick that they'd avoid guys that could help the team over their mistakes that had been paid for.
 
Willingness to draft and rely on questionable characters comes with risk, as the Cincinnati Bengals frequently have seen. Poor personal discipline off the field often transcends to on the field as well ... and can cost a team big time with stupid penalties, injuries due to sloppy conditioning, or suspensions. The Steelers have experienced the same with Bell and Bryant. Yet you certainly don't want to sacrifice talent either. So it's a balancing act.
 
Revenge Of The Noise said:
Willingness to draft and rely on questionable characters comes with risk, as the Cincinnati Bengals frequently have seen. Poor personal discipline off the field often transcends to on the field as well ... and can cost a team big time with stupid penalties, injuries due to sloppy conditioning, or suspensions. The Steelers have experienced the same with Bell and Bryant. Yet you certainly don't want to sacrifice talent either. So it's a balancing act.
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I was in a bar fight while working for my current employer, got arrested, tackled someone onto a hardwood floor and kicked them in the head, then two years later I got a DUI, 31 years later I am with the same employer in an upper management position.
 
Pitt79 said:
Who cares, if he went to court and served whatever punishment the state gave him, there should be no hesitance to sign such a person. He's paid his dues, if he can play, I want him.

I'm glad the Steelers are willing to sign player like this now. In the past it made me sick that they'd avoid guys that could help the team over their mistakes that had been paid for.
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It's not like Justin Hunter or a way past his prime Michael Vick is going to help a team win a Super Bowl.
 
TD_6082 said:
Obviously, there has to be a need in order for the Steelers to sign a player. But when it comes to the bottom of the depth chart, I think sentiment might play a small part in some instances. Under Tomlin, it seems like he has a thing for 757 reclamation projects. (Michael Vick, Justin Hunter) It would be hard to imagine the Steelers signing players with their background in the past. And also maybe it plays a part in the post-draft free agent signings, where roster spots are sometimes a long shot anyway.
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The steelers signed Vick only after their backup, gradkowski - suffered his annual season ending injury
 
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