WVU screwed

[Sean Miller Fan]

Glad to see it but mad did they get screwed. The NET of 51 isn't great but 6-10 in Q1 for a bubble team is really good. Also, no Q3/4 losses. SOS is 25. Non-con SOS is 62 (Pitt's was 300+ last year).

Now Devries off to Iowa probably. Though WVU probably backfills with the other Drake coach.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

They didn't get in? I haven't watched any college basketball since our depressing season ended in fitting fashion, but I feel like WVU not getting in changes the entire SMF metaverse. No longer would we strive to build a roster exactly like that of this one very random example of a lousy team.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They didn't get in? I haven't watched any college basketball since our depressing season ended in fitting fashion, but I feel like WVU not getting in changes the entire SMF metaverse. No longer would we strive to build a roster exactly like that of this one very random example of a lousy team.

Yea, I actually thought there was a slight chance even though they were in all 108 bracketolgies. I was hoping UAB and GMU would win today and steal bids. I think for them it came down to 3 things:

1. They beat Gonzaga and Arizona with the coach's kid, who is their best or 2nd best player and he's done for the year. Having said that, they played almost a whole season without him and did well.

2. Predictive metrics. WVU is terrible and are magically finding ways to win games based on coaching wizardry. Vegas would have them as like a 3 point favorite over us because they suck. So predictive metrics had to crush them.

3. Eye test. Again, they suck. When you watch them you just can't figure out how they win. But they defend. Losing to the 16 seed in the B12T wasn't a good look.

 

[Atch]

Glad to see it but mad did they get screwed. The NET of 51 isn't great but 6-10 in Q1 for a bubble team is really good. Also, no Q3/4 losses. SOS is 25. Non-con SOS is 62 (Pitt's was 300+ last year).

Now Devries off to Iowa probably. Though WVU probably backfills with the other Drake coach.

My heart doesn’t bleed for WVU.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

There is a little known footnote in the NCAA tournament selection committee manual that says that if any team loses to a team as bad as the 2025 Pitt Panthers by 24 points, they are ineligible for NCAA tournament play.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

There is a little known footnote in the NCAA tournament selection committee manual that says that if any team loses to a team as bad as the 2025 Pitt Panthers by 24 points, they are ineligible for NCAA tournament play.

Also, no one has ever lost to a 16 seed in a conference tournament and gotten an at-large. Man, if you want a chance to win a NC, you gotta beat the worst team in your conference on a natural floor.

 

[Pitt Fish]

Lunardi had them safely in as a 10 seed (at least 6 teams behind them). Can we take notice and stop claiming that he has any influence on who makes the NCAA tournament? It comes up every season and is silly each time.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Lunardi had them safely in as a 10 seed (at least 6 teams behind them). Can we take notice and stop claiming that he has any influence on who makes the NCAA tournament? It comes up every season and is silly each time.

No. He has influence. That doesn't mean they use his picks verbatim. WVU had an eye test problem

 

[Pittisit4me]

No. He has influence. That doesn't mean they use his picks verbatim. WVU had an eye test problem

Maybe if their AD was heading the committee they would have gotten in.

 

[Pitt Fish]

Which team did Lunardi influence into the tournament this year?

 

[Pittnerski]

Which team did Lunardi influence into the tournament this year?

Xavier

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Xavier

Xavier 1 Q1 win. WVU 6. Makes no sense. It has to be the Vegas metrics showing WVU is a significant underdog to everyone.

 

[Pitt Fish]

Xavier

So his influence got Xavier in and but couldn't keep Texas and UNC from jumping WVU and Indiana?

 

[ratking17]

So his influence got Xavier in and but couldn't keep Texas and UNC from jumping WVU and Indiana?

Lunardi always seems to have soft spots for the small private catholic schools.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

WVU fans laughed at us last year when Pitt was left out. I feel zero pity for WVU players, coaches and fans.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

WVU fans laughed at us last year when Pitt was left out. I feel zero pity for WVU players, coaches and fans.

Super happy they got left out but I don't think it's good for the sport or bubble programs like Pitt. 6 Q1 wins vs 1 Q1 win. Shouldn't even be a question. I thought Pitt was screwed last year but nothing like this. Say what you want about the other metrics but that's too big of a gap.

 

[TD_6082]

There's nothing I have less sympathy for than a mediocre team with a bubble type resume getting left out of the field of 68.

The tournament exists to crown a champion. Screw all the bubble teams to the moon.

 

[wbrpanther]

Glad to see it but mad did they get screwed. The NET of 51 isn't great but 6-10 in Q1 for a bubble team is really good. Also, no Q3/4 losses. SOS is 25. Non-con SOS is 62 (Pitt's was 300+ last year).

Now Devries off to Iowa probably. Though WVU probably backfills with the other Drake coach.

Yeah but the Tar Heels got in so all is good.

 

[PittAU]

Darn

 

[upj87]

Glad to see it but mad did they get screwed. The NET of 51 isn't great but 6-10 in Q1 for a bubble team is really good. Also, no Q3/4 losses. SOS is 25. Non-con SOS is 62 (Pitt's was 300+ last year).

Now Devries off to Iowa probably. Though WVU probably backfills with the other Drake coach.

36% of the posts on the first page were started by you and you have chimed in to the tune of 71,000 + comments...Ever consider getting a life or at least pondering that you are not as insightful as you think you are?

 

[Pittisit4me]

There's nothing I have less sympathy for than a mediocre team with a bubble type resume getting left out of the field of 68.

The tournament exists to crown a champion. Screw all the bubble teams to the moon.

Agree that it exists to crown a champion. Having said that, if you win one Q1 game out of 13 chances do you really have a shot at the title? That is my problem with North Carolina. Ofcourse, there are many smaller conference teams that make up the tournament that have no shot at winning it so I guess anything goes. They can twist the metrics enough to get the teams they want in the tournament.

 

[Dointhatrag]

Any team that lost to Pitt this year should not be in the tournament. Ohio st same fate

 

[Richard A]

Maybe the WVU governor and AG were affected by the state’s opioid crisis. 🤣 we didn’t get in let’s sue.😭 screw the moutainqueers

 

[Atch]

There is a little known footnote in the NCAA tournament selection committee manual that says that if any team loses to a team as bad as the 2025 Pitt Panthers by 24 points, they are ineligible for NCAA tournament play.

That is hilarious and it made my day.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Maybe the WVU governor and AG were affected by the state’s opioid crisis. 🤣 we didn’t get in let’s sue.😭 screw the moutainqueers

"This was a miscarriage of justice and robbery at the highest levels."

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

"This was a miscarriage of justice and robbery at the highest levels."

I wished Shapiro would sue Heather Lyke.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I wished Shapiro would sue Heather Lyke.

I wish humanity would sue you.

 

[bayardstreet]

I would bet big money that UNC would beat WVU on a neutral court. Maybe by 3-4 points but they would win. Doesn’t mean that WVU didn’t get screwed but I would invite all of you to listen to Dan Dakich on you Out Kick. He mentioned that the brain power in Vegas handy capping would do a better job of selecting the at large teams and seeding them.

 

[9782978]

Super happy they got left out but I don't think it's good for the sport or bubble programs like Pitt. 6 Q1 wins vs 1 Q1 win. Shouldn't even be a question. I thought Pitt was screwed last year but nothing like this. Say what you want about the other metrics but that's too big of a gap.

We are no longer a “bubble team.” We are in the thundering heard of the bottom third.

 

[TD_6082]

Agree that it exists to crown a champion. Having said that, if you win one Q1 game out of 13 chances do you really have a shot at the title? That is my problem with North Carolina. Ofcourse, there are many smaller conference teams that make up the tournament that have no shot at winning it so I guess anything goes. They can twist the metrics enough to get the teams they want in the tournament.

They can. But I have no problem with them twisting whatever they want when it comes to bubble teams. It's all very subjective. Somebody has to sneak in, while others just miss the cut. UNC just happened to find themselves on the right side of it this year.

Just win more and don't leave your fate in the hands of the committee on Selection Sunday.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I would bet big money that UNC would beat WVU on a neutral court. Maybe by 3-4 points but they would win. Doesn’t mean that WVU didn’t get screwed but I would invite all of you to listen to Dan Dakich on you Out Kick. He mentioned that the brain power in Vegas handy capping would do a better job of selecting the at large teams and seeding them.

This is a big reason why UNC is in. They are significantly better than WVU as the predictive metrics indicate. But this wasn't applied last year when the predictive metrics and the actual the 2 teams played each other metrics weren't applied for Pitt/UVa. They cherrypick metrics and that's why the WV AG may sue the NCAA.

 

[9782978]

They can. But I have no problem with them twisting whatever they want when it comes to bubble teams. It's all very subjective. Somebody has to sneak in, while others just miss the cut. UNC just happened to find themselves on the right side of it this year.

Just win more and don't leave your fate in the hands of the committee on Selection Sunday.

Leave no doubt.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Glad to see it but mad did they get screwed. The NET of 51 isn't great but 6-10 in Q1 for a bubble team is really good. Also, no Q3/4 losses. SOS is 25. Non-con SOS is 62 (Pitt's was 300+ last year).

Now Devries off to Iowa probably. Though WVU probably backfills with the other Drake coach.

They were the reason we were the team that was left out last year. If Huggy doesn’t go on his bender, our OOC schedule would have been good enough to get us in. A road game vs a title contender, which WVU was, would have done wonders for us.

This year if Leggett’s runner in the lane at the buzzer vs UNC goes in instead of front rims, it’s another loss for UNC and they wouldn’t have got in over WVU. It also didn’t help WVU that Pitt fell apart and their massive loss to us early was a bad loss vs a poor Pitt team instead of a very good Pitt team.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They were the reason we were the team that was left out last year. If Huggy doesn’t go on his bender, our OOC schedule would have been good enough to get us in. A road game vs a title contender, which WVU was, would have done wonders for us.

This year if Leggett’s runner in the lane at the buzzer vs UNC goes in instead of front rims, it’s another loss for UNC and they wouldn’t have got in over WVU. It also didn’t help WVU that Pitt fell apart and their massive loss to us early was a bad loss vs a poor Pitt team instead of a very good Pitt team.

We didn't make it by 1 game last year so obviously beating Huggy's natty contending team would have gotten us in but now I wonder what if we lost to that team? Would we have gotten in for getting off the bus vs WVU, who was ranked #1 by some spring metric? The committee seems to reward just showing up so it's interesting to think if a loss to a great team would have gotten us in over a win over a bad team?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

We didn't make it by 1 game last year so obviously beating Huggy's natty contending team would have gotten us in but now I wonder what if we lost to that team? Would we have gotten in for getting off the bus vs WVU, who was ranked #1 by some spring metric? The committee seems to reward just showing up so it's interesting to think if a loss to a great team would have gotten us in over a win over a bad team?

That’s my point. We didn’t have to win that game. If WVU was what we thought they were when the schedule was made, we’d have been in. The strength of schedule was why Virginia got in over us.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That’s my point. We didn’t have to win that game. If WVU was what we thought they were when the schedule was made, we’d have been in. The strength of schedule was why Virginia got in over us.

Possibly. And that's the glitch. Just getting off the bus to lose shouldn't be rewarded. UNC got 12 Q1 participation trophies. You have to be able to win some games.

As for WVU this year, I thought the Committee guy dropped the ball when he had to know he'd be asked about this. He should have said:

"WVU had a great year but we have to look at a variety of metrics. 2 of their best wins came with a player who is no longer available. They only have 2 wins over NCAA Tournament teams without him and have lost 9 of their last 15. The predictive metrics that we use show that they are significantly behind the teams who made the field."

I'm not a big fan of predictive metrics because I feel much more weight has to be applied to what you actually did on the court rather than how metrics feel you will do going forward. They won at Kansas without Devries (UNC lost at Kansas). They best Iowa State without Devries. That's enough to put them in over UNC.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Possibly. And that's the glitch. Just getting off the bus to lose shouldn't be rewarded. UNC got 12 Q1 participation trophies. You have to be able to win some games.

^^^this!

Look, the SEC was historically great this year. We saw a 6-12 team in their league make the tournament. Maybe it’s a bad example because the league was epically great in the OOC this year. But a team nowhere near .500 in their league should never make the tourney. We’ve seen it in the B10 and B12 in previous seasons. You should be rewarded for winning games, not rewarded for almost winning games and/or playing admirably in Q1 games.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

^^^this!

Look, the SEC was historically great this year. We saw a 6-12 team in their league make the tournament. Maybe it’s a bad example because the league was epically great in the OOC this year. But a team nowhere near .500 in their league should never make the tourney. We’ve seen it in the B10 and B12 in previous seasons. You should be rewarded for winning games, not rewarded for almost winning games and/or playing admirably in Q1 games.

I agree in principle but the SEC is a bad example this year because it was far and away the best conference of all time, maybe of any NCAA sport. Texas's NET was 39 and they were 7-10 vs Q1 which is really good for a bubble team.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Agree

I agree in principle but the SEC is a bad example this year because it was far and away the best conference of all time, maybe of any NCAA sport. Texas's NET was 39 and they were 7-10 vs Q1 which is really good for a bubble team.

Texas is Jays Pitt soccer team from 2 years ago.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Agree

Texas is Jays Pitt soccer team from 2 years ago.

I'm in favor of Texas getting it. I wouldn't be in favor of it if they were 3-14 in Q1s and undefeated in Q2-4