XFL has the SEC worried?

[steelcurtain55.]

Cowherd just said that the xfl has no age limit.

Followed up with Saban creating the narrative that kids should stay in college unless they're a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.

How will the blue bloods respond?

4th and 5th year seniors will be a priority for programs trying to climb the ladder.

 

[paulbl99]

Cowherd just said that the xfl has no age limit.

Followed up with Saban creating the narrative that kids should stay in college unless they're a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.

How will the blue bloods respond?

4th and 5th year seniors will be a priority for programs trying to climb the ladder.

The model as we know it ie NCAA Football will someday be gonzo.

 

[ThePanthers]

XFL won't be around long enough to hurt anything.

 

[Las Panteras]

The Pacific pro league is the one thst should worry CFB

They will pay high school players, and offer contracts to underclassmen.

Someone like Aaron Donald...who blew up at Pitt would be gone after 2 years.

Of course the SEC should be worried. They will be impacted the most when this league starts up next year.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

The model as we know it ie NCAA Football will someday be gonzo.

not in our lifetime. Too much money

But I could see high school football going first. Too much cost/liability for the schools to take on. And the numbers are dwindling. I could see a regional AAU stepping in as the new model. Of course that will lead to some teams being stack....PA may have its own IMG type team.

 

[paulbl99]

not in our lifetime. Too much money

But I could see high school football going first. Too much cost/liability for the schools to take on. And the numbers are dwindling. I could see a regional AAU stepping in as the new model. Of course that will lead to some teams being stack....PA may have its own IMG type team.

Ok point taken.

Just saying 20/21 yr olds who are responsible for billions of $ floating all around universities while many live in or near poverty, aren’t going to flee to something paying maybe a 100 large or more.

There goes your star power....no?

 

[BuffetParrothead]

The model as we know it ie NCAA Football will someday be gonzo.

I hope the XFL stays around for a long time.
This is football's minor league.
NCAA football has become the NFL minor league which isn't what it's supposed to be.
NCAA football is supposed to be for student athletes not for players who have no intention
of becoming educated.
If the XFL hangs around we'll still be able to support our teams and watch real student
athlletes play football some of whom will transition to the NFL, while others move on to
be doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers, engineers, on and on!

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Cowherd still has a show?

Who knew?

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Cowherd still has a show?

Who knew?

https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/...-cowherd-tops-barrett-sports-media-s-ranking-

 

[steelcurtain55.]

The Pacific pro league is the one thst should worry CFB

They will pay high school players, and offer contracts to underclassmen.

Someone like Aaron Donald...who blew up at Pitt would be gone after 2 years.

Of course the SEC should be worried. They will be impacted the most when this league starts up next year.

Why the pacific pro league over the xfl?

 

[RaleighPittFan]

https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/...-cowherd-tops-barrett-sports-media-s-ranking-

It's nice to see he's still employed. Everybody needs a check now and again.

 

[pittdan77]

Why the pacific pro league over the xfl?

Goal of the Pacific League is to hire HS kids and get them to avoid college. Almost like a MLB minor league but owned by a single entity. I see potential if they were to get the right people involved.

 

[pittdan77]

PA may have its own IMG type team.

I'm pretty convinced that high schools will look to drop a lot of sports, if not all of them, if they continue to fight uphill against funding problems. I think a "club sport" model, or something similar to AAU, would serve the kids better anyway.

 

[Las Panteras]

Why the pacific pro league over the xfl?

The model as it stands today, is four teams, made up of college players and presumed 5 star HS kids that have been identified as NFL caliber. Shady McCoy coming out of HS for example.

The league will be tailored to meet the routine of the NFL. That is, NFL offenses and defenses, NFL rules, training regimen, lifestyle, etc.

Players will essentially be in an NFL developmental league and the projected salary is $50k

The league principals are Don Yew (tom bradys agent), former all pro WR ed mccaffery and mike shanahan.

Perhaps most importantly, the league has Adidas as a sponsor.

Shoukd this league gain any traction, the top tier of high school talent will thin out at the college level, and as stated earlier....guys like Aaron Donald, who wasn't highly recruited but became an NFL player, will be picked up after say one or two years in school.

As we get closer to summer 2020, this league will get more media attention.

But this is the league that will impact CFB.

 

[Den of Hacks]

Eventually, college players will be paid. Competition from these "minor league" models might force the hand of the NCAA to permit schools to pay players.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The sec is going to scared for the 3 months the xfl is around

 

[Jakey_John]

The last guy to underestimate Vince McMahon no longer has a wrestling company. McMahon won’t make the same mistakes twice. The key will be to convince people of the initial buy in.

 

[Burgh15]

The XFL can make some serious noise if they can add just a few elite high school recruits who could be the young faces of the league. That would be a huge marketing win for the league.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

If you were a top flight football recruit, what is a better long term career move? Go to sec or go to XFL?

Lots to think about. First off, what’s xfl salary? 75k? So you get a real nice salary for a 18 year old but you are playing in an inferior league with inferior coaching. I think it would be a bad decision for many players.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The Pacific pro league is the one thst should worry CFB

They will pay high school players, and offer contracts to underclassmen.

Someone like Aaron Donald...who blew up at Pitt would be gone after 2 years.

Of course the SEC should be worried. They will be impacted the most when this league starts up next year.

Where is the Pacific Pro League going to get its money?

I think the XFL can have moderate success and I think it's a great idea to offer contracts to kids who cant declare. If you are a guy like Trevor Lawrence, would you play at Clemson for free or a couple million in the XFL?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I could see xfl being a good option for a backup grad transfer. Would you rather come back as role player after you graduate or leave college and go play a few years before getting a real job.

 

[ThePanthers]

Wtf is the Pacific pro league.

 

[h2p012]

The XFL is almost assuredly going to last longer than the AAF, simply because the actual starting $$$$$$ and time into planning the league.

as for challenge the SEC? Maybe the once in a generation talents that are physically gifted to play in the NFL right out of HS can use the XFL as a viable option, but those that need time to physically grow and develop won't benefit in the XFL like they would in a collegiate program.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Can someone please make a joke about the sec paying more then the xfl?

I’m kind of sad that I have to ask. It was teed up for us.

 

[happjack]

The last guy to underestimate Vince McMahon no longer has a wrestling company. McMahon won’t make the same mistakes twice. The key will be to convince people of the initial buy in.

Vince McMahon has failed miserably in every business venture that isn’t Pro Wrestling, the XFL2.0 will be another failure for him.

Football is an extremely expensive sport to operate and there really isn’t that much of a demand for minor league football. TV deals that are based on splitting ad revenue are a losing proposition and so are live crowds of 15,000 or less.

Also is a high school kid who’s a 4 or 5 star really going to pass on playing somewhere like Alabama or Ohio State in front of 100,000 plus fans, playing on tv every week, a nice car to drive around in and non stop cash filled envelopes to play infront of 70,000 empty seats at Legion Field or some half empty MLS stadium in the suburbs, with games on CBS Sports Channel for $100,000 non-guaranteed contract?

 

[CJsE]

The last guy to underestimate Vince McMahon no longer has a wrestling company. McMahon won’t make the same mistakes twice. The key will be to convince people of the initial buy in.

Pretty sure the last people to underestimate Vince were the NFL and NCAA when he tried the XFL the first time. Pretty sure that ended with Vince losing $50million with the NFL and NCAA more than tripling their annual revenue over the next 15 years.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Vince McMahon has failed miserably in every business venture that isn’t Pro Wrestling, the XFL2.0 will be another failure for him.

Football is an extremely expensive sport to operate and there really isn’t that much of a demand for minor league football. TV deals that are based on splitting ad revenue are a losing proposition and so are live crowds of 15,000 or less.

Also is a high school kid who’s a 4 or 5 star really going to pass on playing somewhere like Alabama or Ohio State in front of 100,000 plus fans, playing on tv every week, a nice car to drive around in and non stop cash filled envelopes to play infront of 70,000 empty seats at Legion Field or some half empty MLS stadium in the suburbs, with games on CBS Sports Channel for $100,000 non-guaranteed contract?

I don't think they will go after HS seniors. They should go out and try to sign true freshmen and sophomores who cant declare for the draft.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

When kids see bball kids going straight to the pros from hs in 1 year, you know the wolves and street agents are going to prey on these kids.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Not to mention they can sign endorsement deals

 

[Mikefln]

All this BS about all these HS kids being ready for the NFL need to stop. For every Bill Fraclic out there who could probably do it, there are 1,000s of Ron Paulus/Damascus Russell's who will not transition. There literally might be 1 HS kid every 4 or 5 years who legitimately can play against the type of men found in the NFL. Maybe 2 or 3 a year can truly handle a transition to a AAF/XFL level. People really underestimate the difference in maturity those 3 years do because over the past decade more true freshman are stepping in as starters and making noise.

A few guys (and I mean few guys) here and there succeeding in college as true freshmen is a big monstrous step from being NFL ready.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Eventually, college players will be paid. Competition from these "minor league" models might force the hand of the NCAA to permit schools to pay players.

If college players are paid a lot of d1 programs will drop football with PITT being one of those programs.
With the exception of maybe the Top 40 programs, most programs break-even or lose money on football so the additional burden of paying players would be the last straw for a lot of programs.

Anyone who works in a business knows paying players would make them employees of the University, probably requiring the addition of administrative personnel to Universities, since there will be legal, HR, and benefit issues different from regular University employees not to mention legal liabilities as a result of injury.
Even if you made the players contractors all types of legal issues pop-up.

I would support players being able to make commercial deals with shoe and other companies.
The top players are the players that pop the top programs on the map so let them make some money.
For the average player the free ride is great compensation.

Students who aren't athletes and work a job + school to pay for school put in as much time as an athlete. THe athletes job is sports and gets paid for that job through a scholarship!

 

[Mikefln]

If college players are paid a lot of d1 programs will drop football with PITT being one of those programs.
With the exception of maybe the Top 40 programs, most programs break-even or lose money on football so the additional burden of paying players would be the last straw for a lot of programs.

Anyone who works in a business knows paying players would make them employees of the University, probably requiring the addition of administrative personnel to Universities, since there will be legal, HR, and benefit issues different from regular University employees not to mention legal liabilities as a result of injury.
Even if you made the players contractors all types of legal issues pop-up.

I would support players being able to make commercial deals with shoe and other companies.
The top players are the players that pop the top programs on the map so let them make some money.
For the average player the free ride is great compensation.

Students who aren't athletes and work a job + school to pay for school put in as much time as an athlete. THe athletes job is sports and gets paid for that job through a scholarship!

On top of that, try paying football players and not woman's tennis. Watch how far that goes.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

All this BS about all these HS kids being ready for the NFL need to stop. For every Bill Fraclic out there who could probably do it, there are 1,000s of Ron Paulus/Damascus Russell's who will not transition. There literally might be 1 HS kid every 4 or 5 years who legitimately can play against the type of men found in the NFL. Maybe 2 or 3 a year can truly handle a transition to a AAF/XFL level. People really underestimate the difference in maturity those 3 years do because over the past decade more true freshman are stepping in as starters and making noise.

A few guys (and I mean few guys) here and there succeeding in college as true freshmen is a big monstrous step from being NFL ready.

I agree with your statements,100%. There are VERY few HS kids who could make it in an NFL camp.

The issue I have is that the NFL gets away with not allowing them to try.

The NFL gets to use college football as a free farm system. Not only do they get three to five years after HS to allow the players to develop physically, they get to watch their development at their craft for free.

IMO, there will come a time when the NFL will have to allow HS kids to join their ranks. Then they will be forced to foot the bill for a development league, because, again, IMO, the vast majority of HS kids will not be able to go straight to the NFL.

As drastic an effect as that will have on college football, I'd welcome it with open arms.

 

[happjack]

If college players are paid a lot of d1 programs will drop football with PITT being one of those programs.
With the exception of maybe the Top 40 programs, most programs break-even or lose money on football so the additional burden of paying players would be the last straw for a lot of programs.

Anyone who works in a business knows paying players would make them employees of the University, probably requiring the addition of administrative personnel to Universities, since there will be legal, HR, and benefit issues different from regular University employees not to mention legal liabilities as a result of injury.
Even if you made the players contractors all types of legal issues pop-up.

I would support players being able to make commercial deals with shoe and other companies.
The top players are the players that pop the top programs on the map so let them make some money.
For the average player the free ride is great compensation.

Students who aren't athletes and work a job + school to pay for school put in as much time as an athlete. THe athletes job is sports and gets paid for that job through a scholarship!

College athletes will never be paid or treated like regular employees, at some point the conferences are going to have to slice off 3ish% of their media and merchandise deals to distribute to the athletes. They'll figure out a work around to making them employees and will most likely tie the amount an athlete gets to how much the sport and division pull in from media contracts. Football players at FBS schools will get more than D1 Basketball players since Football brings in more money and the athletes in non-revenue sports will barely get anything.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I don't think they will go after HS seniors. They should go out and try to sign true freshmen and sophomores who cant declare for the draft.

I’m thinking outside the box here but I think those types are better off staying at big time school. Better coaching, exposure and competition. Their payday is coming, why risk it by going to inferior league?

I think they go after the backup role player upper class men types who stand little chance of getting drafted early. Stuck behind big name under classmen so go to XFL, get playing time and try another route to get exposed to nfl scouts.

You may laugh by this name but think of someone like Robert Foster. Go back to bama and be a backup cause they just signed two more 5 stars or go make some money, be a starter and show your skills. The talented but under utilized upper class men should be the XFL’s demographic.

 

[happjack]

Not to mention they can sign endorsement deals

How many top basketball players are passing up playing at schools like Duke or Kentucky to sign an endorsement deal and go play in Europe or for the current version of the ABA?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

How many top basketball players are passing up playing at schools like Duke or Kentucky to sign an endorsement deal and go play in Europe or for the current version of the ABA?

None, it’s stupid hence my point. These guys know they are a year or two away from 7 figures. You don’t go to inferior league with little exposure for 75k when you have 7 figure salary in your near future.

That’s why these secondary leagues need to go after that fringe upper class men who is getting desperate for exposure.

Honestly, if this happens, it’s healthy for college football overall. Opens up space for more younger players. Kind of skins that dead skin off of rosters and opens up space for younger players. Coaches won’t like it cause they like second and third team depth to be manned by 4th and 5th year players but it’s good overall for the sport.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

How many top basketball players are passing up playing at schools like Duke or Kentucky to sign an endorsement deal and go play in Europe or for the current version of the ABA?

1. They wouldn't have to move to the Istanbul or Chechnya.

2. There are a lot more kids playing football vs basketball. Even if only 10-20 did it, it would create a serious impact in amateurism's future.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

College athletes will never be paid or treated like regular employees, at some point the conferences are going to have to slice off 3ish% of their media and merchandise deals to distribute to the athletes. They'll figure out a work around to making them employees and will most likely tie the amount an athlete gets to how much the sport and division pull in from media contracts. Football players at FBS schools will get more than D1 Basketball players since Football brings in more money and the athletes in non-revenue sports will barely get anything.

Although I agree that will most likely happen, the problem with it is I see it as a recruiting advantage for bigger schools.

A kid could make a lot more off of his likeness in a FSU uniform, than he could in, say, a Wake Forest uniform.

The rich will get richer in that model.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Although I agree that will most likely happen, the problem with it is I see it as a recruiting advantage for bigger schools.

A kid could make a lot more off of his likeness in a FSU uniform, than he could in, say, a Wake Forest uniform.

The rich will get richer in that model.

could you imagine the recruiting advantage of a school like UNC with a top high school basketball player? Hey, if you come to UNC, we'll have your jersey on every rack in every Nike retail and outlet store across America.. You think 95% of schools can say that? Have any pull with getting that player's likeness out to retail locations?

You cant find a sporting good store in this country without a rack devoted to Michigan, ohio state, unc (hoops). You cant swing a dead cat in this country without hitting a notre dame jersey or sweatshirt.. I have to drive into Oakland to get a nice Pitt Script tee shirt and I live in Pittsburgh..