Yahoo on FBI probe: Duke, UNC, NCSU, CU, UMD, UT, UK, KU, USC, MSU, UA, LSU, SHU, UW, Utah, XU, WSU
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This is nowhere near what a lot of people thought. The FBI is leaking the effected players now so they can be suspended before the NCAAT so a title doesn't have to be vacated. Probably not going to be able to prove the schools or coaches were involved unless they have definitive proof and the only proof they have is on the assistants from USC, OKST, AZ, and Auburn. If they had proof of other assistants, they'd be charged. There's probably even a good chance there is no proof Sean Miller even knew about this
That list is going to get longer. And I don't think this would be happening to this extent if there wasn't proof of illegal activities. This may take a while to finally be sorted out, possibly a year.
It's far from over, and a lot of it is obviously still sealed. But it has the potential, minimally, to cause retroactive ineligibilities all over the place if the NCAA is even able to deal with it.
My first prediction. Not much will actually happen to the schools involved. Slap on the wrist and then they are back to competing at the top level.
My second prediction. Pitt will find a way to be involved, without actually having received any tangible benefit. I don't know how, or where, or why, but they will somehow pull it off.
My second prediction. Pitt will find a way to be involved, without actually having received any tangible benefit. I don't know how, or where, or why, but they will somehow pull it off.
This is all so exciting!
Wake me when there are real consequences. Too much money at stake.
Wake me when there are real consequences. Too much money at stake.
Pitt can't possibly have cheated.....we're too damned bad to have cheated. Of course, maybe we're just really bad at cheating too.
Failing to report income and not paying taxes is a pretty big crime. Many players families are going to name names also during their time with the Feds and IRS. So true if no assistant coaches or head coaches are caught on wiretap then they might escape punishment but people are sloppy. It is easy to screw up even when you think you are being extremely secretive in conducting business. I find it hard to believe that there won’t be more assistant coaches named.
The only thing that I've seen him implicated in was a $182 dinner bill a few weeks before he declared for the draft.
Will Arizona even be allowed to participate in the NCAAT now? Or Sean Miller allowed to coach a team?
Refreshing to see that the scumbag Miller is hopefully going to see his justice now. What an idiot! And he won't be alone.
Refreshing to see that the scumbag Miller is hopefully going to see his justice now. What an idiot! And he won't be alone.
Where unpaid taxes are concerned, the IRS has much of the same powers that the FBI does. They can put you in jail, they can take your money, and they can do one thing the FBI can't, they can take your future earnings. If the family of some player took $100,000, and he ends up not playing pro ball, they could be looking at a tax bill in the neighborhood of $40,000, or more. Might be tough for a poor family to come up with that kind of money.
That SMF post did not age well in it's first 12 hours...
Here is the headline of an column in today's Tucson Daily Star. Can't link because I would have to disable my adblocker. Greg Hansen: Arizona's program has gone way out of bounds; Sean Miller must go. Public crying for change isn't likely to help him.
There is no question Duke is paying players. And not $100. But, coach K likely isn't dumb enough to talk about it on the phone like Miller.
Sean Miller is about as dumb as a pile of rocks. Or he is just that arrogant that he thinks he is above the law and it doesn't apply to him.
They really need new rules for situations like wade baldwin's and other kids mentioned that fall into the same category. Meet with an agent, no problem there. You can sit down at a fancy restaurant and talk, but the agent then can't even be a half decent guy and pay for the meal or it's a violation. There are poor college kids that can't even afford to eat at Taco Bell, but they're good at basketball. What do they tell an agent that invites them to lunch?
They could make this easy. If they're gonna allow you to meet with agents... they can pay for your meal, buy you drinks if you're of age, and if traveling is involved your travel and hotel. Just end it there. No excessive gifts and then holding the kids accountable when they don't sign with you. Nothing like that, if they want rules there is a line that can be drawn. Simply paying for a kid's meal when you invited them to a meeting shouldn't even be known by anyone in the FBI.
They could make this easy. If they're gonna allow you to meet with agents... they can pay for your meal, buy you drinks if you're of age, and if traveling is involved your travel and hotel. Just end it there. No excessive gifts and then holding the kids accountable when they don't sign with you. Nothing like that, if they want rules there is a line that can be drawn. Simply paying for a kid's meal when you invited them to a meeting shouldn't even be known by anyone in the FBI.
Consider the upbringing. His dad has taught him from the time he was little kid that cheating was not only ok- it pays.
If true, then Duke is the NCAA’s litmus test. If they’ve got the goods on Duke and Duke only gets the usual “BigBoy Wrist Slap”, then we’ll know that it’s all nothing but show.
The one violator UNLV had was pretty much the same thing, with his $178 meal being paid for illegally. What makes it really lame is he had played his last college game but hadn’t officially entered the draft yet even though everyone knew it was a formality.
Ones like this and Baldwin don’t seem to fit in with discussing how to pay a kid 100k.
Right , the meals are a big nothing.
The coaches and 10-100k payments to land recruits...
That’s the meat on the bones.
I agree. There is a good chance there is no proof that Sean Miller even knew he was being wiretapped.
If this lists continues to expand,the charges stick, PITT may have a Top 20 program this season and Stalling could be Coach of the Year??????
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It's a slow-loading article, but your link actually worked.
The AD there has got to be on shaky ground, what with this coming on the heels of the recent scandal involving BitchFraud.
The SMF Memo will show the judge relied on a dossier paid for by ASU boosters to allow the wiretap.
Witch hunt!
Exactly. I couldn't remember anyone else's names other than Baldwin, but those are the situations I'm talking about. Now I'm not one that thinks these college athletes should be paid in forms of contracts, but rules preventing free meals is just the NCAA trying to run legal slavery. A free meal during a legal meeting with an agent should not even be in the same article as coaches paying to get recruits.
Food, water, shelter, the necessities. Other than buying someone's parents a mansion, these things should be where the legal line is drawn. For example shelter would constitute an agent can pay for an athlete's hotel room if he is traveling for the meeting. What other job would invite a potential employee that is looked at to be hired contingent on the completion of their college degree... and then say "oh, well sorry I know I invited you to this lunch meeting but you gotta pay for your own." It's insanity.
The thing is though, they can still have these rules but be more lenient like I suggested. Then they can still not have kids be paid like pros, but the money these kids should be getting would have to come from the NCAA. Remember the ea sports lawsuit? Well why don't these kids get paid for being all over espn? How do these kids make nothing out of an NCAA tournament berth that helps their school rake in all kinds of cash?
The money the NCAA and the schools make off these kids should be divvied up and given to these kids to help with everyday things like food and such. Regular students can get an on campus job... you help out at the school, you get money. These kids make their school millions, they do far more for their school than the student working part time at the book store, where is their compensation?
There is a way to keep the amateur status, to still not "pay" college athletes like they're pros, to still have rules regarding recruiting and/or extra benefits... all while strongly loosening the rules in place now and also giving the athletes a share of the pie. The NCAA just has no interest in putting even one less penny in their own pockets, and neither do the universities.
Concerning the ledger from Miller's office: Dawkins claimed he paid $64.16 for meal at the Atlanta Ritz-Carlton with Brogdon's mother. Dr Adams (Brogdon's mother) has no recollection of ever meeting Dawkins or dining at the Ritz. That said, $64.16 is not going to buy two meals at the Ritz. He also claims he spent $100 on a meal for the father of UNC's Tony Bradley. Never mind that this took place after Bradley declared for the draft, but his father said that they just had pizza in the office. A $100 buys a lot of pizza. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Dawkins was padding his expense account at the Miller agency. I am a bit skeptical about the recorded sums that don't go into four or five figures. It isn't like Dawkins is a poster boy for ethical behavior.
As for the Ritz thing, it is possible they just had drinks or salads or something for lunch.
As for the Bradley thing, he probably bought pizza for everyone at the office.
I doubt they are padded really.
Hockey and baseball allows players to have agents. With the growth of the d-league and the ability for the NBPA and NBA to get rid of the one and done deal via negotiations, this could all be fixed. Let them have legit above board certified agents who can buy them dinner and either stay in school to be an actual student athlete or go pro right out of high school.
Wow! Only one Big 10 team on that list. Which is ridiculous.
There’s no way you can tell me Ohio st and Michigan, Penn st does not get their hands dirty. Penn st covered up one of their coaches raping young kids for Christ sakes. What would make paying players a suprise from that cesspool
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