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OT: Was FSU ever considered for the Big East in 1991?

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When the Big East began sponsoring football in 1991, did Florida State ever consider joining alongside Miami? For a while, it was a forgone conclusion that those two would join the SEC together, so why wouldn’t they go into another conference together? Was it just that they were looking to become full members of a conference, or did Bowden believe he’d still have an easier chance at a national championship in the ACC?
 
When the Big East began sponsoring football in 1991, did Florida State ever consider joining alongside Miami? For a while, it was a forgone conclusion that those two would join the SEC together, so why wouldn’t they go into another conference together? Was it just that they were looking to become full members of a conference, or did Bowden believe he’d still have an easier chance at a national championship in the ACC?
No, Big East Football, and it was a legally separate entity when it was formed, was sort of reactionary to everything else going on. FSU decided on the ACC over the SEC. It had a choice. Bowden took the ACC.

Miami was getting slapped with probations and no one wanted to touch them. The BE bailed them out.
 
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It's not really accurate to say the Big East threw Miami a lifeline. Miami joined the conference in 91, and didn't get probation until 95.
People knew it was coming to Miami well before because they knew what was going on there. Overt paying of players and worse had been going on since at least the mid 80s. ACC and SEC didn't want to touch them, and Miami was actively trying to get in the ACC. Remember, SMU was still fresh in everyone's mind.

Well, that is at least some people's interpretation.
 
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People knew it was coming to Miami well before because they knew what was going on there. Overt paying of players and worse had been going on since at least the mid 80s. ACC and SEC didn't want to touch them, and Miami was actively trying to get in the ACC. Remember, SMU was still fresh in everyone's mind.

Well, that is at least some people's interpretation.
Again, that's not really true. In 94, yes there were some stories coming out, and it got Dennis Erickson fired. However, Miami had already joined the Big East in 91 (the discussions having taken place at least a year prior). This idea that the ACC/SEC didn't want Miami doesn't hold water.
 
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Again, that's not really true. In 94, yes there were some stories coming out, and it got Dennis Erickson fired. However, Miami had already joined the Big East in 91 (the discussions having taken place at least a year prior). This idea that the ACC/SEC didn't want Miami doesn't hold water.
You think people in college football weren't aware of the goings on at Miami before they were in the press? From people that should know a bit about it, the other conferences didn't want them.

Miami actually was invited to the BE in 1990 before the BE had even definitively decided to form a football conference. By the time Miami played in the Cotton Bowl that season, it was decided to form a football conference and they were even wearing Big East Football patches on their uniforms during the bowl game, and then went about embarrassing themselves with over 200 yards in penalties, largely from unsportsmanlike conducts, while beating down UT.

Very public that Miami was trying to follow FSU into the ACC prior to getting their BE invite. They apparently had no other conference options than the BE. For optics like the above bowl game antics and the open-secret, behind the scenes shenanigans, no one wanted to touch them. I wouldn't doubt that FSU didn't want them to come along. Maybe a combination.

All I can tell you that it is some interpretations of how it came together. May not be the completely story. But Miami's reputation did not help itself.
 
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You think people in college football weren't aware of the goings on at Miami before they were in the press? From people that should know a bit about it, the other conferences didn't want them.

Miami actually was invited to the BE in 1990 before the BE had even definitively decided to form a football conference. By the time Miami played in the Cotton Bowl that season, it was decided to form a football conference and they were even wearing Big East Football patches on their uniforms during the bowl game, and then went about embarrassing themselves with over 200 yards in penalties, largely from unsportsmanlike conducts, while beating down UT.

Very public that Miami was trying to follow FSU into the ACC prior to getting their BE invite. They apparently had no other conference options than the BE. For optics like the above bowl game antics and the open-secret, behind the scenes shenanigans, no one wanted to touch them. I wouldn't doubt that FSU didn't want them to come along. Maybe a combination.

All I can tell you that it is some interpretations of how it came together. May not be the completely story. But Miami's reputation did not help itself.
In a way, it’s fitting they ended up in the Big East initially because they actually had several long-standing series with some of the old eastern independents, much longer than Florida State. For context, five of their top ten most played opponents were from the old Big East (Pitt, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, WVU). There wasn’t the same connection there for FSU even before each joined separate conferences.
 
In a way, it’s fitting they ended up in the Big East initially because they actually had several long-standing series with some of the old eastern independents, much longer than Florida State. For context, five of their top ten most played opponents were from the old Big East (Pitt, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, WVU). There wasn’t the same connection there for FSU even before each joined separate conferences.
Miami is way more like a northeastern private school than a southern school. They don't fit the southern culture at all. They draw a lot of students from the northeast. I like to say its where the northern most point of Havana and the southern most point of New Jersey meet.

BTW, UM was essentially founded by Pitt professors, including their founding president. A lot of ties back in the 20s & 30s. Pitt is also their most played football opponent outside of the state of Florida (#3 overall).
 
Miami is way more like a northeastern private school than a southern school. They don't fit the southern culture at all. They draw a lot of students from the northeast. I like to say its where the northern most point of Havana and the southern most point of New Jersey meet.

BTW, UM was essentially founded by Pitt professors, including their founding president. A lot of ties back in the 20s & 30s. Pitt is also their most played football opponent outside of the state of Florida (#3 overall).
Interesting. I knew about our series history with the them but didn’t know about their origin ties to Pitt… thanks for sharing. It makes sense why they don’t fit in “culturally” with the SEC, besides the fact that they’re a (relatively) small private school. They probably loved being in a northeast-centric conference for recruitment purposes.
 
Interesting. I knew about our series history with the them but didn’t know about their origin ties to Pitt… thanks for sharing. It makes sense why they don’t fit in “culturally” with the SEC, besides the fact that they’re a (relatively) small private school. They probably loved being in a northeast-centric conference for recruitment purposes.
It's why they wanted to take BC and Syracuse with them to the ACC.
 
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You think people in college football weren't aware of the goings on at Miami before they were in the press? From people that should know a bit about it, the other conferences didn't want them.

Miami actually was invited to the BE in 1990 before the BE had even definitively decided to form a football conference. By the time Miami played in the Cotton Bowl that season, it was decided to form a football conference and they were even wearing Big East Football patches on their uniforms during the bowl game, and then went about embarrassing themselves with over 200 yards in penalties, largely from unsportsmanlike conducts, while beating down UT.

Very public that Miami was trying to follow FSU into the ACC prior to getting their BE invite. They apparently had no other conference options than the BE. For optics like the above bowl game antics and the open-secret, behind the scenes shenanigans, no one wanted to touch them. I wouldn't doubt that FSU didn't want them to come along. Maybe a combination.

All I can tell you that it is some interpretations of how it came together. May not be the completely story. But Miami's reputation did not help itself.
Again, after now being in the ACC for 10 years, it is amazing how they pulled off that raid. Because now behind the curtains reminds me of when the Soviet Union collapsed and our military got to see their infrastructure and it was like "wait, we were afraid of this"? How the ACC beat the Big East to the punch is a great example of the malfeasance under Mike Tranghese.
 
Again, after now being in the ACC for 10 years, it is amazing how they pulled off that raid. Because now behind the curtains reminds me of when the Soviet Union collapsed and our military got to see their infrastructure and it was like "wait, we were afraid of this"? How the ACC beat the Big East to the punch is a great example of the malfeasance under Mike Tranghese.
Unlike FSU that is being outright public about wanting to leave, Miami and BC were not only publicly quiet, but operating behind everyone's back in dealing with the ACC. Not just plotting to leave with the ACC, but also doing so in a way that would inflict as much damage as possible on the way out because the goal was dissolution of the Big East with its BCS autobid defacto going to the ACC. Miami was flat out lying to other members when asked about their intent while they were obtaining and sitting in leadership positions in the conference. No one would have known a thing until they day of departure, at the very final moment possible to do so, if it hadn't leaked to Pitt's leadership as the reason Skip Prosser reneged on taking the Pitt job after Howland left.
 
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Right before the Big East was formed for football the Metro and Big East were discussing a super conference that would involved the Metro basketball schools and the schools that would form the Big East in football. When Penn State went to the Big Ten and Florida State left for the ACC the idea was dropped.
 
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Unlike FSU that is being outright public about wanting to leave, Miami and BC were not only publicly quiet, but operating behind everyone's back in dealing with the ACC. Not just plotting to leave with the ACC, but also doing so in a way that would inflict as much damage as possible on the way out because the goal was dissolution of the Big East with its BCS autobid defacto going to the ACC. Miami was flat out lying to other members when asked about their intent while they were obtaining and sitting in leadership positions in the conference. No one would have known a thing until they day of departure, at the very final moment possible to do so, if it hadn't leaked to Pitt's leadership as the reason Skip Prosser reneged on taking the Pitt job after Howland left.
 
When are you going to write a book about Pitt? I bet there would be a significant amount of interest and obviously you have the background.
 
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Right before the Big East was formed for football the Metro and Big East were discussing a super conference that would involved the Metro basketball schools and the schools that would form the Big East in football. When Penn State went to the Big Ten and Florida State left for the ACC the idea was dropped.
Yup. It was the first iteration of a media company (Raycom) directly making decisions in conference realignment. It would’ve looked like this:

• North Division: Boston College, Cincinnati, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, WVU
• South Division: ECU, FSU, Louisville, Memphis, Miami, South Carolina, Southern Miss, Tulane
 
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