Just curious; how have Dixon’s teams performed these past few years?Or Pitt was hurt by listening to idiots like me that wanted Dixon replaced. Yep. I own that.
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Just curious; how have Dixon’s teams performed these past few years?Or Pitt was hurt by listening to idiots like me that wanted Dixon replaced. Yep. I own that.
What is funny though.....you can make an argument outside of Hoops, Pitt's Athletic Department may have had the biggest step up of any program who switched conferences the last 20 years.I still contend the 2 programs most hurt in all the conference reshuffling to the ACC and b10 etc, changing leagues etc
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Just curious; how have Dixon’s teams performed these past few years?
That’s total bullshitDixon didn’t want to coach in the ACC. It didn’t matter what the fans thought; he was leaving on his own.
You are welcome to believe whatever you choose, but he made lots of comments about recruiting difficulties leaving the Big East for the ACC.That’s total bullshit
He is playing in the B12 with a far worse recruiting footprint at a terrible program .You are welcome to believe whatever you choose, but he made lots of comments about recruiting difficulties leaving the Big East for the ACC.
Jamie didn’t want to leave the Big East.
“CBS college basketball insider Jon Rothstein appeared on CBS Sports Radio's "Tiki and Tierney" Monday.
"Jamie has told confidants that he feels it is time to move on from Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh's geographic recruiting footprint has changed a lot since Pitt went from the Big East to the ACC," he said.”
Head Basketball Coach Jamie Dixon Leaves Pitt For TCU
According to multiple reports, University of Pittsburgh head basketball coach Jamie Dixon is leaving the program to accept the head coaching job at Texas Christian University.www.cbsnews.com
You can call him silly if you want, but he said it on more than one occasion. Don’t shoot the messenger.He is playing in the B12 with a far worse recruiting footprint at a terrible program .
It’s a silly premise
The recruiting territory didn’t change .
He didn’tYou can call him silly if you want, but he said it on more than one occasion. Don’t shoot the messenger.
While it is true that Jamie didn't want to leave the Big East, no Big East coach did. Dixon also said that if Pitt had to leave a conference, it should be for the ACC. The ACC move had zero...absolutely zero to do with Dixon's departure.You are welcome to believe whatever you choose, but he made lots of comments about recruiting difficulties leaving the Big East for the ACC.
Jamie didn’t want to leave the Big East.
“CBS college basketball insider Jon Rothstein appeared on CBS Sports Radio's "Tiki and Tierney" Monday.
"Jamie has told confidants that he feels it is time to move on from Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh's geographic recruiting footprint has changed a lot since Pitt went from the Big East to the ACC," he said.”
Head Basketball Coach Jamie Dixon Leaves Pitt For TCU
According to multiple reports, University of Pittsburgh head basketball coach Jamie Dixon is leaving the program to accept the head coaching job at Texas Christian University.www.cbsnews.com
That may be true, but after the success Pitt had for a decade, he really let the program slide. The product was stale and wasn't winning at a high level.While it is true that Jamie didn't want to leave the Big East, no Big East coach did. Dixon also said that if Pitt had to leave a conference, it should be for the ACC. The ACC move had zero...absolutely zero to do with Dixon's departure.
Dixon's exit was actively expedited by Barnes. And after 16 straight winning seasons and post-season tournaments, Pitt has accumulated 6 straight losing seasons to show for it.
Agreed. Let's not pretend that things were good and getting better. The trend was in the wrong direction.That may be true, but after the success Pitt had for a decade, he really let the program slide. The product was stale and wasn't winning at a high level.
.500 conference records, barely qualifying for the tourney, and repeated early exits don't cut it.
LMFAO. I'd take barely qualifying for NCAA tournament. Never paid attention to how other programs with much greater pedigree go through mediocre stretches I guess. Honestly, Pitt fans with this attitude, still espousing this attitude after the last six disastrous years, deserve every one of the last six seasons and counting.That may be true, but after the success Pitt had for a decade, he really let the program slide. The product was stale and wasn't winning at a high level.
.500 conference records, barely qualifying for the tourney, and repeated early exits don't cut it.
Yes, I'd take sniffing an NIT or a even CBI championship with wins at Hinkle and at Washington State. LMFAO at fans that did and continue to turn up their nose at those tournaments like Pitt was too good for the CBI, but Washington, UVA, Cincy, Colorado, Utah, St. John's, Butler, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Purdue, Texas, Texas A&M, etc, were not.Agreed. Let's not pretend that things were good and getting better. The trend was in the wrong direction.
I certainly was not one of those who wanted him gone or was happy that he was ousted--as a matter of fact I was stunned by that and never saw it coming. There was no valid basis to justify pushing him out. After it happened, my mindset was, OK, the program was stagnant and stuck in neutral, the right hire could breathe some life into it. And then the Stallings news dropped, along with my hopes that maybe we would hire someone dynamic and on the rise.
Jamie was never going to be be the glory days Jamie again, but he would have kept the program alive, more competitive than not, and worth watching. The disaster that the program became was one of Pitt's own making. A bungling of the highest order.
And please, let's not pretend that the NIT or worse yet the CBI should count as part of the "16 straight postseason tournaments." Let's not pretend that an established P5 basketball team that doesn't make the NCAA tournament had a successful season. Every coach, player, administrator and fan considers that a failure.
Yeah 3/4 ncaa tournament appearances is quite the slide .That may be true, but after the success Pitt had for a decade, he really let the program slide. The product was stale and wasn't winning at a high level.
.500 conference records, barely qualifying for the tourney, and repeated early exits don't cut it.
That's you.LMFAO. I'd take barely qualifying for NCAA tournament. Never paid attention to how other programs go through mediocre stretches I guess. Honestly, Pitt fans like you deserve every one of the last six seasons and counting.
45-45 conference record - 1 NCAA Tourney win in 3 appearances his last 5 years.Yeah 3/4 ncaa tournament appearances is quite the slide .
Then your boy set the program on fire
45-45 conference record - 1 NCAA Tourney win in 3 appearances his last 5 years.
Dixon was well on his way to being shitcanned and taking the program another rung down in 2 more years all by himself. I'm glad he found a landing spot where mediocrity is appreciated. He's a good fit there.
similar to when walt lost Morelli & Johnson, once Dixon lost Herron & Rowan his recruiting mojo was gone (it was never that strong to begin with).
This isn't a mutually exclusive thing. it wasn't bad to move on from Dixon and also admit that the subsequent strategy was badly bungled (again with the football analogy, not bad to move on from Wannstedt but also acknowledging that there was no plan in place to improve on him).
But this is three days away from the biggest opening game in over 15 years, so it's kind of funny this is even being discussed now.
Hey, even in pee wee wee competition, you could tell he had the "it" factor.Holy crap, how many years was Pickett in college??
Every one of those programs and fanbases considered it a failed season when they didn't make the NCAAs. For several of those teams a failed season is not making a deep tournament run; not making it at all is disaster. LMFAO at anyone who disagrees with that.Yes, I'd take sniffing an NIT or a even CBI championship with wins at Hinkle and at Washington State. LMFAO at fans that did and continue to turn up their nose at those tournaments like Pitt was too good for the CBI, but Washington, UVA, Cincy, Colorado, Utah, St. John's, Butler, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Purdue, Texas, Texas A&M, etc, were not.
Every one of those programs and fanbases considered it a failed season when they didn't make the NCAAs. For several of those teams a failed season is not making a deep tournament run; not making it at all is disaster. LMFAO at anyone who disagrees with that.
Anyway, it's not the point. The point is I don't think anyone was happy about JD leaving even though all but a few JIGers felt his program had stagnated and was not trending the right way. I KNOW nobody was happy with what happened after he left. After pushing Dixon out, which was a laughable F-up by any measure even before the Stallings hire was announced, Pitt at least had an opportunity to try to pump a little energy back into the program with the right hire. They butchered it. When Stallings was announced I have no doubt that every Pitt fan's heart sank.
People who thought Pitt was too good for the CBI, or even the NIT, were wrong then, and are still wrong now. If you have a chance to play, you take it, because that is what a competitor does and any coach worth a damn will take the opportunity to teach a little longer.Every one of the coaches and players from those programs grabbed the opportunity to extend the season, compete, get experience, and win something. People who thought Pitt was too good for the CBI, or even the NIT, were wrong then, and are still wrong now. If you have a chance to play, you take it, because that is what a competitor does and any coach worth a damn will take the opportunity to teach a little longer. Taking that Pitt team on the road to win at Hinkle against a Brad Stevens coached team coming off the national championship game alone was worth it.
Dixon's program had dipped. We have no idea if it stagnated. Most programs go through cycles, and down cycles can be fixed with one recruiting class. Having top 5 seeds, and Pitt's general 15 year level of consistency was unbelievably rare, and not at all the norm, nor should it have been expected to be maintained indefinitely. If anyone actually follows college basketball outside of Pitt, they'd realize even hall of fame coaches have stretches where there teams level off or fall out of the post-season. The masses calling for Dixon to be replaced were clearly stupid idiots then, and history has not been kind to them since. Nor was Pitt going to get any coach with any pedigree near what those fans wanted, for many reasons, but especially it wasn't going to happen in the wake of how Dixon was treated...and don't doubt for a second that the coaching community took notice of what happened...so what Pitt got in Stallings was exactly the kind of has-been washout anyone following the sport should have predicted. The best thing to happen to Pitt, in retrospect, was Barnes picking up an leaving as soon as he did.
2 or 3 years are a dip. 5 years & there was really nothing in the recruiting pipeline to suggest better days were ahead. It was stagnant, boring, and going to get much worse. Jamie was smart to take the lifeline thrown by TCU.Every one of the coaches and players from those programs grabbed the opportunity to extend the season, compete, get experience, and win something. People who thought Pitt was too good for the CBI, or even the NIT, were wrong then, and are still wrong now. If you have a chance to play, you take it, because that is what a competitor does and any coach worth a damn will take the opportunity to teach a little longer. Taking that Pitt team on the road to win at Hinkle against a Brad Stevens coached team coming off the national championship game alone was worth it.
Dixon's program had dipped. We have no idea if it stagnated. Most programs go through cycles, and down cycles can be fixed with one recruiting class. Having top 5 seeds, and Pitt's general 15 year level of consistency was unbelievably rare, and not at all the norm, nor should it have been expected to be maintained indefinitely. If anyone actually follows college basketball outside of Pitt, they'd realize even hall of fame coaches have stretches where there teams level off or fall out of the post-season. The masses calling for Dixon to be replaced were clearly stupid idiots then, and history has not been kind to them since. Nor was Pitt going to get any coach with any pedigree near what those fans wanted, for many reasons, but especially it wasn't going to happen in the wake of how Dixon was treated...and don't doubt for a second that the coaching community took notice of what happened...so what Pitt got in Stallings was exactly the kind of has-been washout anyone following the sport should have predicted. The best thing to happen to Pitt, in retrospect, was Barnes picking up an leaving as soon as he did.
Your boy sucks and your other boy is 0.500 his last two seasons2 or 3 years are a dip. 5 years & there was really nothing in the recruiting pipeline to suggest better days were ahead. It was stagnant, boring, and going to get much worse. Jamie was smart to take the lifeline thrown by TCU.
What are you talking about?Your boy sucks and your other boy is 0.500 his last two seasons
Yeah, absolutely. His Vandy teams were fun to watch & I spent several years in Nashvegas. Why would I not be? Stallings had a nice 15+ year run at Vandy.We know you’re a vandy fanboy
I wouldn't call the people who were calling for Dixon to be replaced "masses". It was a vocal minority.Every one of the coaches and players from those programs grabbed the opportunity to extend the season, compete, get experience, and win something. People who thought Pitt was too good for the CBI, or even the NIT, were wrong then, and are still wrong now. If you have a chance to play, you take it, because that is what a competitor does and any coach worth a damn will take the opportunity to teach a little longer. Taking that Pitt team on the road to win at Hinkle against a Brad Stevens coached team coming off the national championship game alone was worth it.
Dixon's program had dipped. We have no idea if it stagnated. Most programs go through cycles, and down cycles can be fixed with one recruiting class. Having top 5 seeds, and Pitt's general 15 year level of consistency was unbelievably rare, and not at all the norm, nor should it have been expected to be maintained indefinitely. If anyone actually follows college basketball outside of Pitt, they'd realize even hall of fame coaches have stretches where there teams level off or fall out of the post-season. The masses calling for Dixon to be replaced were clearly stupid idiots then, and history has not been kind to them since. Nor was Pitt going to get any coach with any pedigree near what those fans wanted, for many reasons, but especially it wasn't going to happen in the wake of how Dixon was treated...and don't doubt for a second that the coaching community took notice of what happened...so what Pitt got in Stallings was exactly the kind of has-been washout anyone following the sport should have predicted. The best thing to happen to Pitt, in retrospect, was Barnes picking up an leaving as soon as he did.
I really think losing those two guys is what contributed the most to the program falling off. You can't ever expect guys to stick around forever so you need to find the next guy that can recruit places like NYC and Philly.similar to when walt lost Morelli & Johnson, once Dixon lost Herron & Rowan his recruiting mojo was gone (it was never that strong to begin with).
We know you’re a vandy fanboy
I never knew Vandy had fan boys.Yeah, absolutely. His Vandy teams were fun to watch & I spent several years in Nashvegas. Why would I not be? Stallings had a nice 15+ year run at Vandy.
I'm a big Jamie fan too.
I wasn't in favor of either school moving on when they did, but it was obvious both guys had tenures that had ran their course and the best days were in the rear view mirror. And neither are tournament coaches, which is a huge black mark on both resumes since college basketball is a tournament sport.
For full disclosure, I'm a big fan of Pitt football first and foremost. That's what I care about. I follow Pitt hoops some, but I can take it or leave it. I'm on the UVA bandwagon now, as I live in UVA & my kids have become huge Wahoo fans. (which I strongly encourage for basketball - I'm still trying to turn him for football)
I never knew Vandy had fan boys.
I have a buddy who did his masters there, not sure he even knows they have a football or basketball team.