10 or 11

[Pete108K11]

I thought 8 wins when I watched the Slippery Rock game, now I see maybe 10 or 11.

The comeback was a lot of fun, but you knew when Carter was put back in the game that it was all over. The 1-3-1 was effective but I suspect that Stallings may have been prepared for it. I may not like Stallings, but the team was well prepared and he made adjustments in how the ball was taken out of bounds to avoid traps in the corners and in the use of Luther and sometimes Stevenson to break the pressure.

Sure with any number of contested layups or open threes made or any number of ill- advised selfish shots or plays by Wilson-Frame eliminated, Pitt could have won this game

..........and maybe would have won it if only about 8,500 more Pitt fans had attended.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Too early to tell. But I still expect single digit wins total for the year because this is a very young team and they're just learning how to play basketball at this level. Let's wait and see how they look against better competition in the ACC.

 

[Chescat]

Too early to tell. But I still expect single digit wins total for the year because this is a very young team and they're just learning how to play basketball at this level. Let's wait and see how they look against better competition in the ACC.

I'm not going to even guess the number of victories given how surprised I
was during and after the WVU game. We definitely have taken a step fprward...but how
big of a step??

Something I feel needs mentioning.....many are saying how bad we were in the
first half as opposed to our second half play. I didn't think we were all that bad in
the first half; WVU was on fire offensively, and their press was very aggressive
and affected our play. Still, I thought we weren't doing that badly despite the score;
it was more due to WVU's play on both ends of the floor.
Now for the second half.....We came out and hit a quick three, soon after Carter got in foul trouble and Huggy eased up on the pressure. When he picked up his fourth, their press was basically ineffective, and their offense was not the same without him. As soon as he stepped back on the floor, they upped their lead and got away with the win.
WE did so much better this game, but IMO a lot of it was due to WVU and what they
had to do in the second half.

 

[srpst23]

Assuming that we win our final three non-con games against Kenpom rated 326, 351(yes Delaware State is literally rated as the worst Division I basketball program), and 103. Which obviously isn't a given. That gets you to 8 wins. Do you see 2 ACC wins? If so you've got your 10 wins. I honestly see toss-up games with Towson, BC, Wake, and GT, so if we win half of those we'll end up with 9, I could also see us pulling a random upset in conference, so I'll go with 10 on the season. To be honest just a couple of weeks ago, I was having trouble getting to 7 or 8 wins.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Assuming that we win our final three non-con games against Kenpom rated 326, 351(yes Delaware State is literally rated as the worst Division I basketball program), and 103. Which obviously isn't a given. That gets you to 8 wins. Do you see 2 ACC wins? If so you've got your 10 wins. I honestly see toss-up games with Towson, BC, Wake, and GT, so if we win half of those we'll end up with 9, I could also see us pulling a random upset in conference, so I'll go with 10 on the season. To be honest just a couple of weeks ago, I was having trouble getting to 7 or 8 wins.

Getting to 10 wins still looks very hard. Realistically we are likely to get only 2 more OOC wins and anything more than 1-2 ACC wins seems unlikely, IMHO. Granted this is a better outlook than what seemed likely earlier when a losing OOC record seemed likely and 0-1 ACC wins seemed the ACC ceiling.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

I don't see us winning out in OOC. And if we happen to get a team in the ACC schedule that we can catch off guard, we could somehow get 2 or 3 wins there. I just don't see us getting more than 9 wins total. But I don't see anything wrong with that if these kids are improving, playing hard, and show a great attitude. They have done all of that so far.

 

[wbrpanther]

I thought 8 wins when I watched the Slippery Rock game, now I see maybe 10 or 11.

The comeback was a lot of fun, but you knew when Carter was put back in the game that it was all over. The 1-3-1 was effective but I suspect that Stallings may have been prepared for it. I may not like Stallings, but the team was well prepared and he made adjustments in how the ball was taken out of bounds to avoid traps in the corners and in the use of Luther and sometimes Stevenson to break the pressure.

Sure with any number of contested layups or open threes made or any number of ill- advised selfish shots or plays by Wilson-Frame eliminated, Pitt could have won this game

..........and maybe would have won it if only about 8,500 more Pitt fans had attended.

We have seen numerous threads posted asking how many wins people expect. Here's a novel idea. Let's just watch this team and cheer them on. When the season is over we will all know how many wins.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

We will beat McNeese and Del St.

If we can beat Towson and Miami back to back, that would really mean something. Pitt will be underdogs in both, but I no longer see Miami as unwinnable despite their ranking.

 

[88Pitt88]

We will beat McNeese and Del St.

If we can beat Towson and Miami back to back, that would really mean something. Pitt will be underdogs in both, but I no longer see Miami as unwinnable despite their ranking.

I am not sure projecting wins and losses with this very young team is going to be something you will have much success with. I have to tell you tho, I enjoyed the hell out of that WVU game, particularly the 2nd half. I will be very happy to see these kids continue to progress, as they did the other night, regardless of the win total they produce. I know that WVU was out of sorts, and in all kind of foul trouble, but our second half ball movement and the shots it generated, was exceptional. Even the Defense, was much improved over any other game.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Pitt will be underdogs in both

It's more likely the Towson game will be a push or Pitt will be a slight favorite than that Towson will be favored.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

We have seen numerous threads posted asking how many wins people expect. Here's a novel idea. Let's just watch this team and cheer them on. When the season is over we will all know how many wins.

Yeah, how dare sports fans speculate on what their team may do this season. Unheard of!

While we are at it, we should stop talking about things that happened in the past as well. I mean after all, we can't change them so what good does it do to rehash it?

From now on, the only posts that are allowed are the ones about what is happening right now. No, not eight seconds ago when I started typing this post, I mean right now.

 

[wbrpanther]

Yeah, how dare sports fans speculate on what their team may do this season. Unheard of!

While we are at it, we should stop talking about things that happened in the past as well. I mean after all, we can't change them so what good does it do to rehash it?

From now on, the only posts that are allowed are the ones about what is happening right now. No, not eight seconds ago when I started typing this post, I mean right now.

On the other hand let’s have 3 or 4 posts a day rehashing how many games Pitt is going to win.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

On the other hand let’s have 3 or 4 posts a day rehashing how many games Pitt is going to win.

Let's just shut the board down, that ought to make you happy I guess.

You know, if threads about how many games we are going to win bother you so much I haven't check all the relevant laws yet but I am pretty sure that you are not legally compelled to read them.

 

[Pittx9]

Why all the love for Towson? Sure they could beat us. I just don't see any way we're home underdogs to Towson. Probably very slight favorites. We will have to see though what we do before that game.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Why does anyone want to argue over whether the win total is 9,10,11 who cares . Improvement is the key . Not only does that bode well for the future , recruits can see that playing here under KS will improve their games . It could be that these players might actually enjoy playing for KS
and that will help with recruiting .

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It could be that these players might actually enjoy playing for KS
and that will help with recruiting .

One thing basketball players enjoy a whole heck of a lot is winning basketball games. If we go 0-18 in the ACC there isn't going to be anyone enjoying that.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

One thing basketball players enjoy a whole heck of a lot is winning basketball games. If we go 0-18 in the ACC there isn't going to be anyone enjoying that.

No one enjoys losing , but from what I’ve seen so far I’ve changed my mind regarding them going 0-18 . I really didn’t give them much of a chance of winning an ACC game until I saw the fight in them against WVU . With expectations so low if the players see improvement and win a couple of games I think things will be fine . None of the players came here expecting to win the ACC they need more pieces and they know it also .

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

None of the players came here expecting to win the ACC they need more pieces and they know it also .

None of the players came here expecting to go 0-18 either. They might have known they weren't winning the league, but I guarantee none of them thought they wouldn't win a conference game all season.

And that's a good thing, because a team would have to be completely, absolutely, pathetically awful to not even win one conference game. 0-18 is and always has been unrealistic.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

None of the players came here expecting to go 0-18 either. They might have known they weren't winning the league, but I guarantee none of them thought they wouldn't win a conference game all season.

And that's a good thing, because a team would have to be completely, absolutely, pathetically awful to not even win one conference game. 0-18 is and always has been unrealistic.

No great returning starting talent ,no disrespect to Ryan , no returning bench players , no elite freshman , no high profile transfers or grad transfers , playing in the best and deepest conference in the country wins don’t come easy !

 

[Pittfan85]

No great returning starting talent ,no disrespect to Ryan , no returning bench players , no elite freshman , no high profile transfers or grad transfers , playing in the best and deepest conference in the country wins don’t come easy !

Players will always think they are better than they actually are...and they should.

Going 0-18 is not going to help team morale.

 

[Haydman]

Players will always think they are better than they actually are...and they should.

Going 0-18 is not going to help team morale.

It's also not going to help with recruiting!

 

[Fsgolfdr]

It's also not going to help with recruiting!

I think seeing the freshman play and improve will help . Pitt just isn’t a place where elite recruits go . It would be nice to snag a guy or two in the 75-100 range .

 

[Haydman]

I think seeing the freshman play and improve will help . Pitt just isn’t a place where elite recruits go . It would be nice to snag a guy or two in the 75-100 range .

I don't know, maybe for the fans?? These kids being recruited are being told a million things so i'm not sure how much they'll buy into the "but we improved...." narrative.
I do agree we need not just one but i think at least 2 top 100 guys for next year or it could get ugly. Are we really relying on a Golden to come in and be the man? Don't get me wrong i like him but we're talking about a kid who is maybe top 200 and will most likely need time to develop.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I don't know, maybe for the fans?? These kids being recruited are being told a million things so i'm not sure how much they'll buy into the "but we improved...." narrative.
I do agree we need not just one but i think at least 2 top 100 guys for next year or it could get ugly. Are we really relying on a Golden to come in and be the man? Don't get me wrong i like him but we're talking about a kid who is maybe top 200 and will most likely need time to develop.

Actually seeing the guys and the team improve is a selling point . We’ll make you better and you’ll be part of an improving team plus there’s PT .

 

[Haydman]

Actually seeing the guys and the team improve is a selling point . We’ll make you better and you’ll be part of an improving team plus there’s PT .

I get what our pitch would be but i'm just not sure how effective that is when you you win 0-2 ACC games. Every other coach is going to be telling them the exact opposite. I'm assuming most of these kids aren't long time Pitt fans, don't watch every game, and only rely on what they hear. Certainly a good recruiting can overcome some of that.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I get what our pitch would be but i'm just not sure how effective that is when you you win 0-2 ACC games. Every other coach is going to be telling them the exact opposite. I'm assuming most of these kids aren't long time Pitt fans, don't watch every game, and only rely on what they hear. Certainly a good recruiting can overcome some of that.

They only need to be successful with two kids a yr . The more you ask....

 

[Pittfan85]

They only need to be successful with two kids a yr . The more you ask....

Two kids a year? Huh?

You are assuming they all come in ready to play? Some guys might not ready to be ready to contribute until they are juniors.

Of course, we know you think that anyone that doesn’t perform great their freshman year should be run off.

 

[Pittfan85]

I get what our pitch would be but i'm just not sure how effective that is when you you win 0-2 ACC games. Every other coach is going to be telling them the exact opposite. I'm assuming most of these kids aren't long time Pitt fans, don't watch every game, and only rely on what they hear. Certainly a good recruiting can overcome some of that.

Yeah, playing time only helps so much. If you are going 1-17 in conference that is going to have a horrid effect on recruiting. Otherwise, BC would be a powerhouse by now.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Actually seeing the guys and the team improve is a selling point . We’ll make you better and you’ll be part of an improving team plus there’s PT .

You aren't selling anyone that the team is improving if you go 0-18. The fact that you think you can shows how out of touch you can be.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

You aren't selling anyone that the team is improving if you go 0-18. The fact that you think you can shows how out of touch you can be.

I don’t see 0-18 coming . So now your joining PF85 , good company to be in ...not .
Ps ..so now your predicting zero wins , I guess you missed BC beating Duke ?

 

[Pittfan85]

I don’t see 0-18 coming . So now your joining PF85 , good company to be in ...not .

I don’t see 0-18 either, but you aren’t selling improvement at 1-17 or 2-16 either. You can talk about wins not mattering all you want, but they certainly do in recruiting.

I’ll ask you this again..if going 1-17 and being able to sale PT is such a huge advantage, why does BC still suck?

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I don’t see 0-18 either, but you aren’t selling improvement at 1-17 or 2-16 either. You can talk about wins not mattering all you want, but they certainly do in recruiting.

I’ll ask you this again..if going 1-17 and being able to sale PT is such a huge advantage, why does BC still suck?

I un ignored you for this response . If Pitt plays competitive games with numerous chances to win now you have the ability to say “with players like you we win these games and a few more . That’s how important to our program you are “.....Obviously losing all your games and being pounded night in and night out won’t help . This season has just begun and not even so called experts like JoeThe Panther fan have any clue to how the season will play out . I saw hope in the WVU and I’ll cling to that hope until it doesn’t play out the way I’d like to see .

 

[Pittfan85]

I un ignored you for this response . If Pitt plays competitive games with numerous chances to win now you have the ability to say “with players like you we win these games and a few more . That’s how important to our program you are “.....Obviously losing all your games and being pounded night in and night out won’t help . This season has just begun and not even so called experts like JoeThe Panther fan have any clue to how the season will play out . I saw hope in the WVU and I’ll cling to that hope until it doesn’t play out the way I’d like to see .

I saw hope in WVU too, but I also have seen close games against a bunch of really bad teams. I need to see more hope.

And again, winning shows improvement...even if it is just 4 gamess.

 

[panther2020]

fwiw: BC just beat Duke.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

fwiw: BC just beat Duke.

And has 3 players we won’t be able to guard.

Bc is better than us.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

And has 3 players we won’t be able to guard.

Bc is better than us.

How many players did Duke have that BC shouldn't have been able to guard ?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

How many players did Duke have that BC shouldn't have been able to guard ?

Same 3 they struggled with- despite much more talent and athleticism than anyone on our roster.

Bowman, Chatham, and Robinson

 

[HailToPitt1985]

We need 1 top 50 guy and 1 top 100 guy every year to be competitive in the ACC. We don't have the cushion of a great coach who can get these kids to outperform their rankings, so they need to come here ready or close to ready to play at this level.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I don’t see 0-18 coming .

from what I’ve seen so far I’ve changed my mind regarding them going 0-18 .

Which, of course, means that you DID see 0-18 coming, but now you've changed your mind. It's almost as if you don't understand that when you post things like this in the SAME thread that people might remember what you posted. You DID think that Pitt was going to go 0-18, and if you do go 0-18 you aren't selling anyone with even a modicum of intelligence that you are improving.

And in any event, you aren't convincing anyone that you are improving at 1-17 or 2-16 either. Kids just aren't that dumb. Some message board posters, on the other hand...

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Ps ..so now your predicting zero wins , I guess you missed BC beating Duke ?

Actually I was the person who posted the thread here about the Duke - BC game, because I was actually watching it. So no, I didn't miss it. And PS, I am not predicting zero wins and I never have predicted zero wins. The person who predicted zero wins was you, not me. If you go back the the thread about people's predictions from right as the season was starting you will see what I predicted. But here's a little clue. There's still a really good chance that I'll get the non-conference record correct.

In any event, the reason why I didn't and would basically never predict zero conference wins is that a team in a major conference winning zero conference games almost never happens. Because even really bad teams, like say Boston College, will play out of their minds once or twice a season, even when they are playing a far superior team, like say Duke, and pull off a big upset. After all, if you only have a 10% chance to win a game that would mean you were a huge underdog. But if you played ten games like that in a season there is a really good chance you'll win one of those ten games that you were a huge underdog in. You know, kind of by definition.

Kind of odd though, that the person who actually thought that we were going to be the better team was me and not you, isn't it? Well, either that or you predicting zero wins was just so when they actually did win a couple of games you could say, see, they aren't as bad as I thought!