3 - 5 in conference play
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Initial thoughts are that 3 + 4 does not equal 8. They also have VT at 3-5 while omitting a game.
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I would go 4-4, but 3-5 is also very possible based on what we've seen so far.
One thing I really like about being a Pitt fan, each game seems so important, if Pitt could pull it off this week in Chapel Hill.........
I mean it would not come as a surprise at all to see us finish 3-5. It would be a disappointment, but not a surprise.
going 3-5 would be very dissapointing after winning the first 4 games..
Yeah, it wouldn't be the least bit surprising. I'd have signed up for 7-5 before the season, but my only concern with going 7-5 now is that it would entail finishing on a sort of sour note (you kind of have to be cognizant of team morale in the era of unlimited transferring, which is lame).
There is absolutely a chance we continue to improve, and obviously I'm hoping for that. But all we've really done so far, aside from the two freebies, is squeak out wins against two pretty baddish teams. Yes, most of the teams left on our schedule are in that same category. But, again, it's not like we won those games soundly. The coin just landed on heads twice. It could easily land on tails more often in ACC play.
louisville and Clemson are the only two "good" teams we play this year so that's why i'd be dissapointed.. BC and Cal could be ok, of course they are probably saying the same thing about us..
So if we "arent" good then yes, 4-4 or 3-5 is possible. If we believe we are a good team, 9-3 is the worst we should do this year, if not 10-2.
I guess we'll find out if we have a good team this year or not. with this schedule, 8-4 is about as mediocre as it gets..
So if we "arent" good then yes, 4-4 or 3-5 is possible. If we believe we are a good team, 9-3 is the worst we should do this year, if not 10-2.
I guess we'll find out if we have a good team this year or not. with this schedule, 8-4 is about as mediocre as it gets..
It's sort of wild that after the best start in ages, a lot of people are still acting like 7 wins would be a pretty awesome outcome but that's how Pitt fans roll.
Better than us: Clemson
Probably better than us: Louisville, SMU
About the same, give or take: UNC, Syracuse, BC
Probably worse than us: Cal
Worse than us: Virginia
I kind of see it like that. Lots of variables, though. Most notably, as teams start accumulating losses, players start shutting it down as the season trudges on. Player X remembers his knee hurts and starts preparing for the draft. Player Y thinks his shoulder is tingling and starts preparing for the draft. So and So, who plans on hitting the portal, goes back home to chill for the rest of the semester. Next thing you know, you've got tight ends playing the d line and position players running the Wing T at QB.
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hmm, i may be sleeping on smu so you could be right there..
im having a hard time believing UNC and cuse are the same as us though. of course im far from objective on the subject.. i think Cal is better than both.. So i'd say this:
Better than us: Clemson and Louisville
Probably better: SMU
Same as us: Cal and BC
Probably worse: UNC, Cuse, UVA
Lol two months ago you kept telling us how long of a fall it was going to be
Fall from what? how long of a fall can it be coming off a 3-9 season?
my expectations for this team changed after going 4-0, not really sure that makes me different than every other single human being who alters their predictions from the off season to what they actually see on the field.
I think we are a better than avg team, very possibly "good" team and i think most of the acc teams arent. Hence why i think 9 or even 10 wins is very possible.
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Why don't you knock if off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here (at 4-0)? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
RIP Oddball
It's hard for me to watch other ACC games and think that we are superior to say BC or Duke. We have two wins that we are lucky to have. We will not keep winning every game where we are trailing by double digits in the 4th quarter. If we improve so that we can start winning games without putting ourselves in those situations, then we have something cooking. But that is all yet to be determined.
absolutely cant argue with any of this... The next two games will answer a lot of our questions and confirm/deny my optimism...
Exactly. If three DBs don't play a ball on 2nd and 30 like the Stooges, then we're talking about a team that is 1-1 against opponents with a pulse. Both lines need to improve quite a bit.
Duke? geez...cannot believe you "watched" them and came up with that conclusion...
Or Syracuse. They finally get some road games. Starting Friday at UNLV...a game in which they could get boat raced. I know that our games against them can be strange but Stanford took it them at the dome.....
They are 5-0. They look to me to be an average P5 team. They have beaten two P5 schools and easily could have lost either game -- just like us. They might be lacking recruits but seem to be solidly coached. Again, you can say the same thing about us. Nothing I have seen from Pitt screams to me that we are noticeably superior. We don't play them this year so it's not totally relevant. But they could have lost to UNC and so could we.
I also mentioned BC -- with their QB, I'd say they could definitely beat us. Or we could beat them, who knows. I didn't watch their game last week where the BC QB was hurt.
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You can play what if a lot of ways. What ifs don't mean anything, because they aren't what happened.
The stooges you mention were beat, including the stooge safety who was late and the stooge CB who had to grab Reynolds (committing PI) because he got behind him. The correct call is to credit Reynolds for making a nice catch.
no, I don't have to say the same thing about Pitt. Yes Pitt eeked out those wins but there was flare and excitement to it...Duke, not so much. Did you watch the Northwestern game? It set back college football 80 years. You mention the P5 schools with one being probably the worst team in the big10 and the other being a team that gave up 70 to something called James Madison... They were losing to UConn heading into the 4th quarter...Nope, not close. Pitt is superior to Duke this year.... I reserve the right to retract that statement at a future time.
I mean, it would be slightly dissapointing but all and all it would show fantastic progress. I’d be pretty happy with 8-4 to be honest.
Sure, we are 4-0 but the competition has been marginal. We pulled two of those games out of our ass. I think things are wide open but I hope we don’t start expecting 10-2 then crush them for not meeting that, and this is coming from a guy who has been Narduzzi’s biggest critic.
The only thing I’d be truly pissed about is 6-6 or worse
No one is taking the win away, but it's fair to be skeptical about a team that isn't winning at the line of scrimmage enough. The Pirates were 9-2 at one point, and the general sentiment was they better start hitting better. Well, that wasn't wrong.
It's progress from a bad season but we all know that in this conference, Pitt needs to win 8 games at a minimum as an expectation. That's not exactly a huge hill to climb.
Pitt fans are snakebit and have little confidence that Narduzzi can go 5-3 or better the rest of the way. He simply has not proven he can consistently win 9 or more a year. I like Pat but let’s face it he is a 7-6 type of coach so far. Hope he can go 9-4 or 10-3 or better this season.
Right, but getting jacked like 7-7 is an accomplishment is weird. The reaction should be closer to, "nice recovery from a dog crap season now do better."
I disagree with the light some are viewing these close wins in. Pitt demonstrated some good qualities to pull those out. There's a big difference between getting close and blowing the game at the end vs. getting close and sealing the deal. They did it twice. Once on the road and once at home .. against quality competition. Competition that's probably above the baseline in ACC.
That said, I feel very confident in saying Pitt was losing those games because of self-induced errors. The offense sputtering. Dumb penalties. It wasn't a miracle comeback in either .. Pitt just didn't play a full game of quality football. If they can start to limit the amount of "bad" football spurts throughout these games, they should win quite a few more.
That said, I feel very confident in saying Pitt was losing those games because of self-induced errors. The offense sputtering. Dumb penalties. It wasn't a miracle comeback in either .. Pitt just didn't play a full game of quality football. If they can start to limit the amount of "bad" football spurts throughout these games, they should win quite a few more.
and also the belief that Holstein is 1a or 1b in the ACC at the position .. if you believe that (I think that's a perfectly normal opinion) you could say anything less than 9 is a disappointment. You can't botch this with the talent at the QB position.
While your post had the expected dose of humor (you always answer the bell), it got me to thinking....
1) we are reading of kids start to shut it down before the games played in week 6
2) as the weeks go by, i would think this number will only goes up as more teams drop games
3) A Pitt team, if they get by UNC and Cal....a reasonable pair of hurdles.....will go into the 2nd half of the season where there should be some teams with multiple losses that have seen guys shut it down, thus making in theory....these games easier for Pitt at hopefully 6-0.
4) the upshot i see is this. You have to get off to a great start to avoid this new normal. I would think....the new AD must consider this when scheduling going forward?
The questions are really:
What is sustainable week to week, and what isn’t and has just been fortunate?
What, even if not sustainable, can be projected to improve to the point where you don’t need whatever luck (if any) you got in the previous weeks to win?
It’s like when posters were asking why I’m not sure Cal would beat FSU.
And the answer was because Cal needed 5 turnovers just to score 21 points against Auburn. And that wasn’t sustainable. So the offensive incompetence that occurred outside of those turnovers, were what one could actually project forward week to week.
And I didn’t see anything about them that made me think the offense would improve to where it wouldn’t need 5 turnover luck to even get 3 TDs.
There’s some evidence Holstein has gotten extremely lucky as it relates to INT worthy passes to actual INTs. That’s probably not sustainable.
But he’s young. It’s not crazy to think he improves to the point where maybe he doesn’t throw as many INT worthy passes going forward. And therefore, the need for INT luck is not as needed.
The OL? I’m not sure how one can project that getting better. It was horrible last year. Returned everybody. And has been bad at best this year. As GT and VT has found out this year: simply returning everybody doesn’t matter if they weren’t that good last year.
I believe they can get to 9 but Narduzzi does have a history of inexplicable losses. However He has already made his best move in hiring Bell and giving him the freedom to run his offense. Now all Pat needs to do is make sure his defense holds up their end.
Oh, I think there is definitely value to holding the players' interest for as long as you can in the season. There's probably some performance vs expectations formula. For instance, I couldn't imagine the upperclassmen at Florida State being the least bit interested in the rest of this season.
Couldn't agree more. I remember trying to reel people in when Mitch Trubisky won in Cincinnati to open a season. It only took 5 turnovers, a missed extra point, a missed field goal, and 7 sacks against a team that basically didn't play any starters in the preseason to win by 3 in overtime. Sure, do that every week and you can hang with the best of the best.
I forget what the exact number was, but I think Holstein had 8 "turnover worthy" passes going into YSU. That's a lot. And not a lot were actually picked. So the law of averages has definitely been on our side. But, like you said, he's also young and can absolutely improve in that area.
And I agree that the OL kind of is what it is at this point. It's not a sieve, but it's far from a strength. The DL is where I hope to see marked improvement. I doubt that will come from the older guys or the guys who are just plain undersized. So the youngins better grow up fast, and Fitzsimmons needs to get healthy and be effective.
They're a 4-0 team with warts. I think most of us understand this. I get tired of the... they got lucky and they haven't played anyone yet negativity. Who is undefeated and played a tough schedule? - not necessarily directed at you.
UNC has out recruited Pitt for years. Their roster easily has more talent. The question will be who shows up ready to play. I have a feelign the winning team will make their own luck.
Anyway, sounds like we get Fitz back this week.
Yeah. My response as well. Pat has gone better than 8-4 exactly once. I don’t even expect 8-4 to be a baseline, and if 8-4 is a baseline you start getting into more elite programs
For the record I’d like to see Pat AVERAGE 8-4 a year. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I’d just like to see 9 and 10 win regular seasons more than once or twice every two decades
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