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** Well, it was good while it lasted.

** Two weeks ago, when a poster on the Football Board remarked about the Hoops Board saying: "there is very little enthusiasm and the posts are less and less," I embarked on the task of offering a cavalcade of thoughts (conceitedly called “dribbles”) with the intent of generating some enthusiasm for the coming Hoops year.

** For a while, I was glad thread was so good. And I was even going to start another thread last Saturday, until I realized that the thread from the previous Saturday was still at the top of the board.

** But it certainly tanked into ugliness in the last few days, didn't it?!

** Somehow I think this tanking is partially a symptom of the new message board topic format, that doesn’t allow threads to die their natural death. In the past, throw-away comments at the end of past topics in thread view would go largely unnoticed. Now they seem to provoke a whole new set of thoughts, and most of those don’t seem to be good ones.

** The last couple days of that aforementioned thread saw many of the usual suspects quipping about, which included giving an equally passionate poster such as Owtie the occasion to suggest (on two boards at that!) that he doesn’t seem to like the idea of my (admittedly conceited) offerings of “dribbles,” as he made twice made the point to mock them.

** On a different, less confident day, perhaps comments like those from my virtual pal Owtie would have made me think “to heck with it … I really won’t bother with the time it takes it offer these dribble-like comments.” But tonight, almost completely in honor of Owt’s apparent displeasure of my offerings, my resolve is strong enough to make sure I do this duty.

** So onto tonight’s topics!

** The mess at the end of the thread was followed by a fine survey instigated by ZaraT, which would seem to indicate that nearly all on our Hoops Boards do indeed have some common ground. That is, nearly all posters (with the exception of VJPITT and a couple others who want him fired immediately) think that the best chance for Pitt Hoops going forward is to spend our hopes that Coach Dixon regains his Mojo (with all due respect to Austin Powers).

** So there’s the first question for the night. Where is Dixon’s Mojo?

** I believe that many, or even most, posters believe that Dixon’s Mojo’s been lost in his recruiting.

** I’m not going to argue with that notion. I know I join each and every single poster on this board who passionately wants our Basketball Team to win at the highest level. And this doesn’t even mean the very high level we attained from 2008-2011. Higher than that is what we all want. And the only way we will once again reach that level or better is to get better players. And I hope this notion offers no disrespect to players as wonderful as Lamar and Talib. Maybe it’s better said that we simply just need more Lamar’s and Talib’s.

** Regardless of who Dixon is able to recruit, there is another piece of common ground among posters. All recruits, regardless of ability, need to be bought into what Dixon is selling. We’ve had many great players who did just that, and some are either in the NBA, or at least playing for money somewhere.

** Some other great players weren’t totally bought in. We aren’t going to win at the highest level with players in this category. That’s who Dixon needs to win at the highest level.

** And whether its talent or buy in, every player Dixon recruits needs to get on board with the biggest piece of lost Dixon Mojo that has been lost. The piece is defense.

** Of all of the reply posts on the last “dribbles” entry, I think the very best entry came from the all too wise, but all too infrequent passionate poster BethlehemJohn, who said many great things in his rebuttal. As the center point, I’ll use this: “I have not given up on the team though. We had one of the worst defenses that I have ever seen in my life last year. This is where we need to see most of our improvement. It is not too hard to believe that we can easily win another 4-6 games with just better defense and rebounding.

** Ouch. That’s hurts. But I agree with every word.

** That’s the night’s second question. How can the Panthers regain their defensive Mojo? If anything, I hope replies to this thread will deeply investigate this topic.

** Well, that’s not completely true. If anything, what I really hope is that we come up with some brilliant answer and that Dixon will read it in the next few days and make the necessary change. He should know that us posters are that smart!!

** Knowing that’s not going to happen, let’s go with the realistic. Experience will make our Panthers better defenders. What is a better message board topic is everyone’s opinion as to whether we can get better enough defensively to make the NCAA Tournament next year, or become a bigger threat than that.

** Here’s what we know so far. Dixon seems to think our defense will improve by moving Mike Young back to the four spot, and having his new trio of center men handle the five spot.

** This means that our offensive force, Jamel Artis, will have defend the perimeter. Jamel was only a fair defender when he had to defend other fours down low. Before that, he proved to be a poor defender at the three when he had to defend anyone on the perimeter.

** Heck, for that matter, Jamel even proved to be a poor defender at the four on the occasions when his guy stepped out to the perimeter. Other fours dribbled right by him there too.

** So is it players or tactics? The aforementioned Zara has been pointing to Dixon’s error of going zone against L-ville that led to 2 killer threes. While Zara has his facts right, it should also be mentioned that before those killer threes, Pitt’s defense was getting carved to bits by Rozier’s penetration. I’ll suggest that the zone in that game was surely worth a try.

** But it didn’t work. Pretty much nothing worked defensively last year.

** I suspect there are some issues with Dixon’s overall defensive philosophy. In past years, even in #1 seed years, as it was well known that Dixon’s philosophy was to let teams pass on the perimeter, and then to put the majority of defensive effort into guarding shots.

** That’s a philosophy that gives me pause. But the Hawaii game last year gave me more pause. Very few of us saw that game. Therefore, I’ll use what Bill Hillgrove told me while sitting at a bar in Sheraton Maui as the focal point of next year’s defensive discussion. Bill said Hawaii just lined up in a 1-4 set and just beat us again and again off the dribble.

** Hearing this bothered me that day while drinking my Maui Longboard IPA. And these words never left me, even while drinking a Fat Heads Headhunter IPA later in the year after outscoring fine teams such as Notre Dame and UNC. We won those games. But we really never stopped those teams from scoring.

** For Dixon to truly regain his Mojo, the defense just has to improve.

** If you are the type who likes a reason to worry, then realize that in the CBI year, our defensive efficiency was ranked #149. The improvement to #21 the following year came largely because of the addition of Steve Adams who could hedge all over the court. But it's hard seeing the newcomer who can have that kind of impact next year.

** What’s worse is that is that last year’s defense was a stunningly bad #202. It’s harder to see an equally easy path for this to improve to a sub 100 ranking. That's the kind of ranking we'll need to be a top 40 team.

** The good news, of course, is the knowledge that our offense ranked somewhere around #30 in the country last year. For many reasons, I can easily see that becoming closer to twice as good as that on the offensive end next year. For one, I think we are better off without Cam. But if the defense can’t improve to becoming somewhere in the top 75, will that matter enough?

** All the other metrics notwithstanding, as I see it, our defensive efficiency ranking by Jan 15 should go a long way to learning our whether Dixon and the Panther program has regained its Mojo.

** I suspect that this is what the topic of most of our posts will be about next year, including anything I’ll call “dribbles.” I look forward to writing them, even knowing there as those who ridicule the idea of reading them.
 
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A good post as always, DT.

The 3 spot is a big X-factor this year. Jamel is seen as a rising junior star along with Young, but I'm not sold on it. You're right that his defense was poor, maybe so bad that even if he's putting up 18 points he's not making us a better team.

Look at Sheldon Jeter, he had some offensive explosions last year and looks like a quicker player. Maybe he should be at the 3, I trust he can guard opposing small forwards as he's listed at 6-8 (though 6-7 is more accurate). And Chris Jones gives us a shooting threat, at 6-6 he could guard many opposing forwards. Then there's Cam Johnson and Ryan Luther. They're probably not the answer, but it's not impossible they play forward.

Or maybe Jamel's defense improves in the off-season and things click for us. We were slow on rotation and help defense last year, giving teams a lot of easy lay ups. If we cut those lapses in half, we'd improve by 4 or 5 points a game.
 
My fear is that Artie isn't the mismatch to be an effective scorer at the 3 as he was at the 4.
And we are going to have to hide him on defense to limit his liability, either way.
 
In this day and age, I just don't think players - in general terms... buy into playing defense period.

On one of the ESPN radio talk shows - I think it was SVP and Russillo at the time - Van Pelt asked who is the most animated coach in college BB and the consensus was Dixon which brings me to my next point.

When you see at EVERY SINGLE TIME-OUT (yes, I'm shouting (as Dixon does for a reason) imploring his players presumably to play better defense - don't you think the players just tune him out after a while?

Not exactly the same thing but, I remember Jerome Lane when asked about Paul Evans and he said something to the effect that..."how many times can you be called a mother-f%$#er before you just let it go in one ear and out the other."

It's all Dixon talks about at his pressers as well -"We need to get better defensively". How many times have we heard this???

If they're not playing better defense after practically getting on your knees and begging - what are you doing wrong? You're the coach - either figure it out or maybe go in a different direction a la UNLV in the 80's?

I mean, whatever you're doing at least right now is not working but God knows, you get an A+++ effort for trying.

If you think that defense wins everything - go hire a dang defensive genius somewhere and get the 2 and 3 star players that will buy in to it.

Other competing coaches are salivating over this and probably play his press-conference recordings to prospective recruits.

"Listen to coach Dixon stressing ad nauseum - play defense"

"How many players has coach Dixon placed in the NBA - maybe because all he stresses is defense? - come here where we KNOW how to put players in the NBA"

At this level in a P5 conference - that's all that recruits want to hear.

And to ask posters (I know you were for the most part kidding) to put some suggestions out there for coach Dixon to try.

I dunno - OK here's one - how about losing weight Robinson and Artis - get in better shape - improve your footwork - jump some rope?

Cassius Winston, Mustapha Heron and Ron - I mean Maverick Rowan - they hear it from other coaches - if you want to expand you game and get to the NBA - come here!

If you want to go play defense and btw if you don't, you'll sit - your choice - here's the pen - let me help you get to the NBA ok?
 
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Is there any coach that matters who doesn't implore his team to play better defense?

I can't count how many times I've watched Roy literally pass out from screaming at his team on the defensive end. Calipari, self, izzo, k.. All make their impact on the defensive end , primarily.
 
Whatever extent that JD has fallen into some holes in other areas, he most certainly coaches his arse off on game day.

Yes, to a certain extent players start to tune out to consistent prodding. But, there is a HUGE difference between JD and Evans in this area. Evans just was a extremely negative person. JD isn't calling them names and berating them personally like Evans did. AND, unlike Evans, I have to believe he does a lot more to be in their quality world, talk to them, show a genuine care and concern for them.

I tend to agree, go big and get Young to PF. I hold out hope that Artis gets the upper class, junior year bump on the defensive end (Young, too)i. But, worst case is they control the boards better with Maia and Nelson-Ododa, and N-O in particular looks like he can handle the hedge better than anyone since Zanna.

I also hold out hope that as a for real SG and with good SG height, Smith can be a marked upgrade defending 2Gs.

The focus in on Artis playing defense at SF, but you could see vast improvement at C, PF and 2G, and all he has to do is hold up, not be a disaster, with JRob bouncing back to at least be solid, and you actually could see a marked improvement in their straight man to man, not fin around with Zone.

The fall back going big in the zone ...
 
** Well, it was good while it lasted.

** Two weeks ago, when a poster on the Football Board remarked about the Hoops Board saying: "there is very little enthusiasm and the posts are less and less," I embarked on the task of offering a cavalcade of thoughts (conceitedly called “dribbles”) with the intent of generating some enthusiasm for the coming Hoops year.

** For a while, I was glad thread was so good. And I was even going to start another thread last Saturday, until I realized that the thread from the previous Saturday was still at the top of the board.

** But it certainly tanked into ugliness in the last few days, didn't it?!

** Somehow I think this tanking is partially a symptom of the new message board topic format, that doesn’t allow threads to die their natural death. In the past, throw-away comments at the end of past topics in thread view would go largely unnoticed. Now they seem to provoke a whole new set of thoughts, and most of those don’t seem to be good ones.

** The last couple days of that aforementioned thread saw many of the usual suspects quipping about, which included giving an equally passionate poster such as Owtie the occasion to suggest (on two boards at that!) that he doesn’t seem to like the idea of my (admittedly conceited) offerings of “dribbles,” as he made twice made the point to mock them.

** On a different, less confident day, perhaps comments like those from my virtual pal Owtie would have made me think “to heck with it … I really won’t bother with the time it takes it offer these dribble-like comments.” But tonight, almost completely in honor of Owt’s apparent displeasure of my offerings, my resolve is strong enough to make sure I do this duty.

** So onto tonight’s topics!

** The mess at the end of the thread was followed by a fine survey instigated by ZaraT, which would seem to indicate that nearly all on our Hoops Boards do indeed have some common ground. That is, nearly all posters (with the exception of VJPITT and a couple others who want him fired immediately) think that the best chance for Pitt Hoops going forward is to spend our hopes that Coach Dixon regains his Mojo (with all due respect to Austin Powers).

** So there’s the first question for the night. Where is Dixon’s Mojo?

** I believe that many, or even most, posters believe that Dixon’s Mojo’s been lost in his recruiting.

** I’m not going to argue with that notion. I know I join each and every single poster on this board who passionately wants our Basketball Team to win at the highest level. And this doesn’t even mean the very high level we attained from 2008-2011. Higher than that is what we all want. And the only way we will once again reach that level or better is to get better players. And I hope this notion offers no disrespect to players as wonderful as Lamar and Talib. Maybe it’s better said that we simply just need more Lamar’s and Talib’s.

** Regardless of who Dixon is able to recruit, there is another piece of common ground among posters. All recruits, regardless of ability, need to be bought into what Dixon is selling. We’ve had many great players who did just that, and some are either in the NBA, or at least playing for money somewhere.

** Some other great players weren’t totally bought in. We aren’t going to win at the highest level with players in this category. That’s who Dixon needs to win at the highest level.

** And whether its talent or buy in, every player Dixon recruits needs to get on board with the biggest piece of lost Dixon Mojo that has been lost. The piece is defense.

** Of all of the reply posts on the last “dribbles” entry, I think the very best entry came from the all too wise, but all too infrequent passionate poster BethlehemJohn, who said many great things in his rebuttal. As the center point, I’ll use this: “I have not given up on the team though. We had one of the worst defenses that I have ever seen in my life last year. This is where we need to see most of our improvement. It is not too hard to believe that we can easily win another 4-6 games with just better defense and rebounding.

** Ouch. That’s hurts. But I agree with every word.

** That’s the night’s second question. How can the Panthers regain their defensive Mojo? If anything, I hope replies to this thread will deeply investigate this topic.

** Well, that’s not completely true. If anything, what I really hope is that we come up with some brilliant answer and that Dixon will read it in the next few days and make the necessary change. He should know that us posters are that smart!!

** Knowing that’s not going to happen, let’s go with the realistic. Experience will make our Panthers better defenders. What is a better message board topic is everyone’s opinion as to whether we can get better enough defensively to make the NCAA Tournament next year, or become a bigger threat than that.

** Here’s what we know so far. Dixon seems to think our defense will improve by moving Mike Young back to the four spot, and having his new trio of center men handle the five spot.

** This means that our offensive force, Jamel Artis, will have defend the perimeter. Jamel was only a fair defender when he had to defend other fours down low. Before that, he proved to be a poor defender at the three when he had to defend anyone on the perimeter.

** Heck, for that matter, Jamel even proved to be a poor defender at the four on the occasions when his guy stepped out to the perimeter. Other fours dribbled right by him there too.

** So is it players or tactics? The aforementioned Zara has been pointing to Dixon’s error of going zone against L-ville that led to 2 killer threes. While Zara has his facts right, it should also be mentioned that before those killer threes, Pitt’s defense was getting carved to bits by Rozier’s penetration. I’ll suggest that the zone in that game was surely worth a try.

** But it didn’t work. Pretty much nothing worked defensively last year.

** I suspect there are some issues with Dixon’s overall defensive philosophy. In past years, even in #1 seed years, as it was well known that Dixon’s philosophy was to let teams pass on the perimeter, and then to put the majority of defensive effort into guarding shots.

** That’s a philosophy that gives me pause. But the Hawaii game last year gave me more pause. Very few of us saw that game. Therefore, I’ll use what Bill Hillgrove told me while sitting at a bar in Sheraton Maui as the focal point of next year’s defensive discussion. Bill said Hawaii just lined up in a 1-4 set and just beat us again and again off the dribble.

** Hearing this bothered me that day while drinking my Maui Longboard IPA. And these words never left me, even while drinking a Fat Heads Headhunter IPA later in the year after outscoring fine teams such as Notre Dame and UNC. We won those games. But we really never stopped those teams from scoring.

** For Dixon to truly regain his Mojo, the defense just has to improve.

** If you are the type who likes a reason to worry, then realize that in the CBI year, our defensive efficiency was ranked #149. The improvement to #21 the following year came largely because of the addition of Steve Adams who could hedge all over the court. .

Not a whole lot more to say.

We have to get better defensively.

We have to recruit better.

We have fans who don't agree with much of anything Dixon does, anyway. They were forced to keep (mostly) quiet as long as he was turning out Top 15 teams but are feeling their oats now.

We have problems and challenges. The NCAA seems interested in eliminating an awful lot of the strategies and tactics that we used to with the last 350 or so games so Jamie can't even just go back to what worked, at least defensvely. The game may really be different on an ongoing basis.

We have a decent team coming back, almost the entire roster of what would have been an NCAAT team without the 5 game collapse. The roster was given an infusion of experienced length and rebounding which should prevent another collapse.

Yeah, we have a 3/4 who is our best offensive weapon but doesn't play defense. Well, guess what? We've seen that script before. Does the name Sam Young ring a bell? Sam was a much better athlete but disdained anything resembling defense at almost all times. We probably have to go back to a little more man-and-a-half help defense.

Dixon will probably get 20-25 wins out of ths bunch if he has to drag them there kicking and screaming, as long as they get healthy. He will have enough depth to use playing time as incentive to encourage attention to defense and discourage lack of focus. That should help.

The future of the program depends on recruiting. In two seasons, only THREE current players will be on the roster. 4 if Nix redshirts. The team will be completely different. There will be VEY limited time to develop any of our vaunted linkage. Manigault was a good start but the next few signees are pretty important. If they don't buy in to the development model, we might become just an ordinary program.
 
DT--Thanks for your thoughts again--it does help during this off season when news of the team is so lacking especially with the demise of the pro-am. I am going to share my thoughts on a few of your's:

"Somehow I think this tanking is partially a symptom of the new message board topic format, that doesn’t allow threads to die their natural death. In the past, throw-away comments at the end of past topics in thread view would go largely unnoticed. Now they seem to provoke a whole new set of thoughts, and most of those don’t seem to be good ones."

I agree.

" I believe that many, or even most, posters believe that Dixon’s Mojo’s been lost in his recruiting."

Agree--IMO, this is mainly for the reason that several players who either didn't fit or didn't buy in were recruited in an attempt to upgrade the overall talent level. This failed and the result was the opposite of what was intended.

"Regardless of who Dixon is able to recruit, there is another piece of common ground among posters. All recruits, regardless of ability, need to be bought into what Dixon is selling. We’ve had many great players who did just that, and some are either in the NBA, or at least playing for money somewhere."

"Some other great players weren’t totally bought in. We aren’t going to win at the highest level with players in this category. That’s who Dixon needs to win at the highest level."

"And whether its talent or buy in, every player Dixon recruits needs to get on board with the biggest piece of lost Dixon Mojo that has been lost. The piece is defense."

There may very well be a couple of "mountains to climb" in recruiting players that will work with what Dixon wants to do---

(1) If it is true that other coaches have effectively convinced the recruiting world that Dixon plays an ugly style of slow boring basketball it will be hard to recruit talented players in the first instance.

(2) Assuming AAU ball truly teaches players to not care about or want to play defense this doubles down on the problem of getting the players who do come to Pitt to buy into what Dixon is selling.


". . . How can the Panthers regain their defensive Mojo? . . . Pretty much nothing worked defensively last year."

As I have argued many times on these boards, IMHO good defense begins with and is heavily dependent having a strong rebounder and decent post defender in the middle as we did with all our better teams. Having such a player covers a multitude of defensive "sins" and creates a synergy that makes the entire team play more effective defense. Last year we certainly didn't have an Aaron Gray, DeJuan Blair, Gary McGhee, or Steve Adams. We had to play Mike Young out of position and, arguably, to the point of burnout because the only alternatives were Randall, the one-legged Uchebo and the invisible man (Haughton).

IMO, if a combo of Maia, Nelson-Ododa and Mike Young (mainly back at PF) results in better defensive rebounding to where opponents get very few offensive rebounds and also provides some blocked shots and discourages dribble penetration we will be much better defensively irrespective of any other considerations.

Bottom Line: If we are better defensively and don't regress offensively we should easily flip from 19-15 to 23-11 (or better) by winning a number of games that last year were either close losses or were close until opponent free throws at the end stretched small margins into larger ones.
 
Is there any coach that matters who doesn't implore his team to play better defense?

I can't count how many times I've watched Roy literally pass out from screaming at his team on the defensive end. Calipari, self, izzo, k.. All make their impact on the defensive end , primarily.

Then Dixon needs to go to their clinics and learn what they're doing schematically.

And please don't anyone say - it's the $.

It's NOT the $ - these coaches Soufie mentions don't NEED to offer $ to get them to go to their perspective schools - the players get their $ on draft day.
 
** Well, it was good while it lasted.

** Two weeks ago, when a poster on the Football Board remarked about the Hoops Board saying: "there is very little enthusiasm and the posts are less and less," I embarked on the task of offering a cavalcade of thoughts (conceitedly called “dribbles”) with the intent of generating some enthusiasm for the coming Hoops year.

** For a while, I was glad thread was so good. And I was even going to start another thread last Saturday, until I realized that the thread from the previous Saturday was still at the top of the board.

** But it certainly tanked into ugliness in the last few days, didn't it?!

** Somehow I think this tanking is partially a symptom of the new message board topic format, that doesn’t allow threads to die their natural death. In the past, throw-away comments at the end of past topics in thread view would go largely unnoticed. Now they seem to provoke a whole new set of thoughts, and most of those don’t seem to be good ones.

** The last couple days of that aforementioned thread saw many of the usual suspects quipping about, which included giving an equally passionate poster such as Owtie the occasion to suggest (on two boards at that!) that he doesn’t seem to like the idea of my (admittedly conceited) offerings of “dribbles,” as he made twice made the point to mock them.

** On a different, less confident day, perhaps comments like those from my virtual pal Owtie would have made me think “to heck with it … I really won’t bother with the time it takes it offer these dribble-like comments.” But tonight, almost completely in honor of Owt’s apparent displeasure of my offerings, my resolve is strong enough to make sure I do this duty.

** So onto tonight’s topics!

** The mess at the end of the thread was followed by a fine survey instigated by ZaraT, which would seem to indicate that nearly all on our Hoops Boards do indeed have some common ground. That is, nearly all posters (with the exception of VJPITT and a couple others who want him fired immediately) think that the best chance for Pitt Hoops going forward is to spend our hopes that Coach Dixon regains his Mojo (with all due respect to Austin Powers).

** So there’s the first question for the night. Where is Dixon’s Mojo?

** I believe that many, or even most, posters believe that Dixon’s Mojo’s been lost in his recruiting.

** I’m not going to argue with that notion. I know I join each and every single poster on this board who passionately wants our Basketball Team to win at the highest level. And this doesn’t even mean the very high level we attained from 2008-2011. Higher than that is what we all want. And the only way we will once again reach that level or better is to get better players. And I hope this notion offers no disrespect to players as wonderful as Lamar and Talib. Maybe it’s better said that we simply just need more Lamar’s and Talib’s.

** Regardless of who Dixon is able to recruit, there is another piece of common ground among posters. All recruits, regardless of ability, need to be bought into what Dixon is selling. We’ve had many great players who did just that, and some are either in the NBA, or at least playing for money somewhere.

** Some other great players weren’t totally bought in. We aren’t going to win at the highest level with players in this category. That’s who Dixon needs to win at the highest level.

** And whether its talent or buy in, every player Dixon recruits needs to get on board with the biggest piece of lost Dixon Mojo that has been lost. The piece is defense.

** Of all of the reply posts on the last “dribbles” entry, I think the very best entry came from the all too wise, but all too infrequent passionate poster BethlehemJohn, who said many great things in his rebuttal. As the center point, I’ll use this: “I have not given up on the team though. We had one of the worst defenses that I have ever seen in my life last year. This is where we need to see most of our improvement. It is not too hard to believe that we can easily win another 4-6 games with just better defense and rebounding.

** Ouch. That’s hurts. But I agree with every word.

** That’s the night’s second question. How can the Panthers regain their defensive Mojo? If anything, I hope replies to this thread will deeply investigate this topic.

** Well, that’s not completely true. If anything, what I really hope is that we come up with some brilliant answer and that Dixon will read it in the next few days and make the necessary change. He should know that us posters are that smart!!

** Knowing that’s not going to happen, let’s go with the realistic. Experience will make our Panthers better defenders. What is a better message board topic is everyone’s opinion as to whether we can get better enough defensively to make the NCAA Tournament next year, or become a bigger threat than that.

** Here’s what we know so far. Dixon seems to think our defense will improve by moving Mike Young back to the four spot, and having his new trio of center men handle the five spot.

** This means that our offensive force, Jamel Artis, will have defend the perimeter. Jamel was only a fair defender when he had to defend other fours down low. Before that, he proved to be a poor defender at the three when he had to defend anyone on the perimeter.

** Heck, for that matter, Jamel even proved to be a poor defender at the four on the occasions when his guy stepped out to the perimeter. Other fours dribbled right by him there too.

** So is it players or tactics? The aforementioned Zara has been pointing to Dixon’s error of going zone against L-ville that led to 2 killer threes. While Zara has his facts right, it should also be mentioned that before those killer threes, Pitt’s defense was getting carved to bits by Rozier’s penetration. I’ll suggest that the zone in that game was surely worth a try.

** But it didn’t work. Pretty much nothing worked defensively last year.

** I suspect there are some issues with Dixon’s overall defensive philosophy. In past years, even in #1 seed years, as it was well known that Dixon’s philosophy was to let teams pass on the perimeter, and then to put the majority of defensive effort into guarding shots.

** That’s a philosophy that gives me pause. But the Hawaii game last year gave me more pause. Very few of us saw that game. Therefore, I’ll use what Bill Hillgrove told me while sitting at a bar in Sheraton Maui as the focal point of next year’s defensive discussion. Bill said Hawaii just lined up in a 1-4 set and just beat us again and again off the dribble.

** Hearing this bothered me that day while drinking my Maui Longboard IPA. And these words never left me, even while drinking a Fat Heads Headhunter IPA later in the year after outscoring fine teams such as Notre Dame and UNC. We won those games. But we really never stopped those teams from scoring.

** For Dixon to truly regain his Mojo, the defense just has to improve.

** If you are the type who likes a reason to worry, then realize that in the CBI year, our defensive efficiency was ranked #149. The improvement to #21 the following year came largely because of the addition of Steve Adams who could hedge all over the court. But it's hard seeing the newcomer who can have that kind of impact next year.

** What’s worse is that is that last year’s defense was a stunningly bad #202. It’s harder to see an equally easy path for this to improve to a sub 100 ranking. That's the kind of ranking we'll need to be a top 40 team.

** The good news, of course, is the knowledge that our offense ranked somewhere around #30 in the country last year. For many reasons, I can easily see that becoming closer to twice as good as that on the offensive end next year. For one, I think we are better off without Cam. But if the defense can’t improve to becoming somewhere in the top 75, will that matter enough?

** All the other metrics notwithstanding, as I see it, our defensive efficiency ranking by Jan 15 should go a long way to learning our whether Dixon and the Panther program has regained its Mojo.

** I suspect that this is what the topic of most of our posts will be about next year, including anything I’ll call “dribbles.” I look forward to writing them, even knowing there as those who ridicule the idea of reading them.

We may not always agree on an issue but I sincerely enjoy your thoughts and highly appreciate your efforts to generate Pitt BB talk. I'm never short on opinions but I'm at a bit of a loss to offer a solution to this team's defensive shortcomings. My instincts tell me it's really about toughness and the type of player we have at the moment, which, in part(but not entirely), I believe, is a talent level problem, particularly at guard.
 
We may not always agree on an issue but I sincerely enjoy your thoughts and highly appreciate your efforts to generate Pitt BB talk. I'm never short on opinions but I'm at a bit of a loss to offer a solution to this team's defensive shortcomings. My instincts tell me it's really about toughness and the type of player we have at the moment, which, in part(but not entirely), I believe, is a talent level problem, particularly at guard.
No disagreement there.,
As we've drifted from the chip on their shoulder type of recruits the team defense has waned as has the win totals.
 
I hate to say this but.... things may be worse than we think.

The problem that I see, is with the move to the ACC, our basketball program, may have become irrelevant.

With the OBE, we had great visibility along the east coast. Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, The Hall, St Johns, UConn and Providence. Of course, only two of these teams played football so not much visibility there for our football program, but for our basketball program it was great. If we did good, there was significant visibility to what we were doing.

But, with the ACC... you got Wake Forrest, Clemson, NCS, FSU, etc. Some visibility there playing the Dukies, UNC, etc, but it is in no way comparable to what we had in the OBE.

What Barnes/Dixon need to do... for recruiting.... re-establish our presence in the NYC metro area. Playing one game a year at MSG against the likes of Davidson, does not do it. Try to have us come off as a NE team that just so happens to play in the ACC. Playing Cuse at MSG one game yearly, would go a long way to getting this. UConn home and home would sure help as well. Then, another game, tournament or otherwise, along the east coast would then probably be enough.

The OTHER thing Dixon needs to do... is take a more national approach to visibility. If we get competitive along those lines, then games against the Dukies, UNC, Virginia and the like become more significant and thus visibility at the national level.

But, if our east coast pipeline for recruits continues to have dried up, we are not gonna get the players we need to compete at the national level.

So, IMO, Dixon and Barnes have their work cut out for them... and the first thing is realizing what the problem is, and then doing something about it.

Otherwise, the slow slip into irrelevancy.
 
Then Dixon needs to go to their clinics and learn what they're doing schematically.

And please don't anyone say - it's the $.

It's NOT the $ - these coaches Soufie mentions don't NEED to offer $ to get them to go to their perspective schools - the players get their $ on draft day.

IMO, the biggest problem is not better defensive schemes used by others--it is that the NCAA's push against physical play and attempting to increase scoring means it will be more difficult to succeed with an emphasis on defense. As I have argued previously, those recent rule and emphasis changes being pushed by the NCAA give a further (IMHO unfair) advantage to the teams able to recruit the best raw talent (the "blue bloods") over everyone else than they already enjoyed.
 
** Well, it was good while it lasted.

** So there’s the first question for the night. Where is Dixon’s Mojo?

IMO, the fact that Dixon was able to convince Smith, Maia and then ANO, to come here shows that he has not lost his Mojo at all.

The fact that that one C recruit from East Carolina (or someplace down there) went to Illinois instead of coming here, was probably due to the fact that the Illini had a bigger hole at C than we did. So he went there, with greater assurance that he would start.

With Smith, Louisville took Lee, the higher touted recruit, but if you look at the stats Smith is almost as good as Lee (Smith the better 3ball shooter, Lee the better overall scorer), and for what we need, Smith is probably the better choice.

So, IMO the problem is with the NYC metro pipeline having dried up due to the change to the ACC, not anything with Dixon's Mojo.
 
I hate to say this but.... things may be worse than we think.

The problem that I see, is with the move to the ACC, our basketball program, may have become irrelevant.

With the OBE, we had great visibility along the east coast. Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, The Hall, St Johns, UConn and Providence. Of course, only two of these teams played football so not much visibility there for our football program, but for our basketball program it was great. If we did good, there was significant visibility to what we were doing.

But, with the ACC... you got Wake Forrest, Clemson, NCS, FSU, etc. Some visibility there playing the Dukies, UNC, etc, but it is in no way comparable to what we had in the OBE.

What Barnes/Dixon need to do... for recruiting.... re-establish our presence in the NYC metro area. Playing one game a year at MSG against the likes of Davidson, does not do it. Try to have us come off as a NE team that just so happens to play in the ACC. Playing Cuse at MSG one game yearly, would go a long way to getting this. UConn home and home would sure help as well. Then, another game, tournament or otherwise, along the east coast would then probably be enough.

The OTHER thing Dixon needs to do... is take a more national approach to visibility. If we get competitive along those lines, then games against the Dukies, UNC, Virginia and the like become more significant and thus visibility at the national level.

But, if our east coast pipeline for recruits continues to have dried up, we are not gonna get the players we need to compete at the national level.

So, IMO, Dixon and Barnes have their work cut out for them... and the first thing is realizing what the problem is, and then doing something about it.

Otherwise, the slow slip into irrelevancy.

I've been saying this from Day One. The move to the ACC hurt us. Think of it in terms of marketing. The Big East had built up a brand as, arguably, the #1 basketball conference. Pitt was part of that brand with numerous rivalries established over decades. Now, we have to compete in a conference that's seen as the conference of the blue bloods--Duke and UNC--and on foreign turf, mostly in the south. Our only real rival is Syracuse.

This is not a good starting point from a recruiting perspective.
 
Pitt's decline began before Pitt joined the ACC. There is no concrete evidence that joining the ACC has had any negative impact on recruiting or any other key factor related to the success of the program. It's a convenient excuse and nothing more. Did Heron and Rowan decommit because Pitt's in the ACC? The whole idea that a player in the NE would rather play in the watered down BE versus the ACC is ludicrous. ACC teams have always had success recruiting up and down the entirety of the east coast including the NY, Phil. DC/Maryland and NJ areas. The more likely factors negatively impacting Pitt recruiting are style of play(and perhaps even more significantly reputation for stye of play as characterized by other schools'recruiters) and the combined lack of salesmanship of the current staff. Coaches don't like change, in particular a move to a conference with bluebloods like UNC and that more than anything else, I would argue, fueled Dixon and Boeheim's desire to maintain the status quo. In its first year in the ACC Syracuse won 25-26 consecutive games-that doesn't strike me as a team suddenly in over their heads. If Pitt wants respect in the ACC and in the entirety of the conference's geographic footprint, then it's going to have to do the same thing that it did in the BE and that's earn it on the court.
 
Pitt's decline began before Pitt joined the ACC. There is no concrete evidence that joining the ACC has had any negative impact on recruiting or any other key factor related to the success of the program. It's a convenient excuse and nothing more. Did Heron and Rowan decommit because Pitt's in the ACC? The whole idea that a player in the NE would rather play in the watered down BE versus the ACC is ludicrous. ACC teams have always had success recruiting up and down the entirety of the east coast including the NY, Phil. DC/Maryland and NJ areas. The more likely factors negatively impacting Pitt recruiting are style of play(and perhaps even more significantly reputation for stye of play as characterized by other schools'recruiters) and the combined lack of salesmanship of the current staff. Coaches don't like change, in particular a move to a conference with bluebloods like UNC and that more than anything else, I would argue, fueled Dixon and Boeheim's desire to maintain the status quo. In its first year in the ACC Syracuse won 25-26 consecutive games-that doesn't strike me as a team suddenly in over their heads. If Pitt wants respect in the ACC and in the entirety of the conference's geographic footprint, then it's going to have to do the same thing that it did in the BE and that's earn it on the court.

STRONGLY AGREE. He started toying around with his formula well before the ACC offer. He had done well with the tradtional PG with BK and Levance, then went with the shooting PG/wing PG type thing with Gibbs and Wannamaker. That worked out OK, but seemed to try to course correct back to a traditional lead guard with JRob. He changed his big man recruiting long before the ACC entrance, and while he got tough breaks with Birch/Gilbert (not that he was all that great) and Adams leaving early, it just really played a big role in changing the dynamic of the team. Overall, outside of the Young/Artis duo, his lost his recruiting flow and also the attrition thing was starting before the ACC entrance, as well as losing his edge in building his staff ...
 
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- Our inability to stop dribble penetration and our help defense were equally atrocious last year ..... what can we do to help ? ..... I don't know, maybe the following would help ......

- 1) Stress the fundamentals of defense ...... There was one game last year later in the season where the expert commentator (a former DI head coach) was analyzing our defensive problems most of the game as it was recognized before the game that we had a major problem defensively ..... he noticed and pointed out a lot of problems we were having with on and off ball defense and help defense and a good portion of it was problems with fundamentals.

- 2) Stress the systems of team defense ...... playing the high ball screen better and especially help defense ..... IMO our help defense was horrible last year ...... help defense depends on players anticipating where to be in help defense and getting there in time with synchronization of the entire unit .... it's somewhat like angles and positions with a hockey goalie where the goalie has to know where to be as the puck moves around the ice and get to that position in time to have the best chance of stopping the shot ..... we were out of sync and people weren't moving to the proper positions fast enough..... continue to stress and practice those fundamentals.

- I'm sure we do stress the fundamentals of defense and systems of defense already and maybe players just don't get it or don't have enough talent to execute it ..... in any event, keep stressing the concepts and hopefully with time, they will get it and improve.... if they don't improve or don't have the talent to perform, then we need to recruit over them.

- We do have to do better in recruiting ..... in general, the best teams have the best talent and that is why Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Louisville, Syracuse, the UCLA teams of Wooden, etc. have top teams .... they have great coaches and great talent ...... maybe we can't get the talent they do but we need to get better overall talent then we have been getting the last 5 years ..... many of those great defensive players we had in the past were some of our most talented players also ...... the Pitt team which went to the Elite Eight and was 1.5 seconds from going to the Final Four had two NBA players on it ..... it had talent..... look at Final Four teams, most have great talent and they can play defense..... having talented players and playing good defense are not mutually exclusive.
 
Pitt's decline began before Pitt joined the ACC. There is no concrete evidence that joining the ACC has had any negative impact on recruiting or any other key factor related to the success of the program. It's a convenient excuse and nothing more. Did Heron and Rowan decommit because Pitt's in the ACC? The whole idea that a player in the NE would rather play in the watered down BE versus the ACC is ludicrous. ACC teams have always had success recruiting up and down the entirety of the east coast including the NY, Phil. DC/Maryland and NJ areas. The more likely factors negatively impacting Pitt recruiting are style of play(and perhaps even more significantly reputation for stye of play as characterized by other schools'recruiters) and the combined lack of salesmanship of the current staff. Coaches don't like change, in particular a move to a conference with bluebloods like UNC and that more than anything else, I would argue, fueled Dixon and Boeheim's desire to maintain the status quo. In its first year in the ACC Syracuse won 25-26 consecutive games-that doesn't strike me as a team suddenly in over their heads. If Pitt wants respect in the ACC and in the entirety of the conference's geographic footprint, then it's going to have to do the same thing that it did in the BE and that's earn it on the court.

Agree with much of what you say.
 
STRONGLY AGREE. He started toying around with his formula well before the ACC offer. He had done well with the tradtional PG with BK and Levance, then went with the shooting PG/wing PG type thing with Gibbs and Wannamaker. That worked out OK, but seemed to try to course correct back to a traditional lead guard with JRob. He changed his big man recruiting long before the ACC entrance, and while he got tough breaks with Birch/Gilbert (not that he was all that great) and Adams leaving early, it just really played a big role in changing the dynamic of the team. Overall, outside of the Young/Artis duo, his lost his recruiting flow and also the attrition thing was starting before the ACC entrance, as well as losing his edge in building his staff ...

Also agree with much of what you say.
 
I think it is great to have a new topic on dribbles and a favorite of mine. I have been saying for a while that the defense last year was, frankly, embarrassing. As bad as it was, it may not take much to improve it. Better defensive rebounding should help limit easy second chance points. With respect to perimeter defense, I think it is a mindset. This team was more comfortable being beaten off the dribble and trying to make it up on the offensive end. The great defenders take pride in their d. They know it can lead to easy offensive buckets. I just dont think the guards are really very tenacious. I mean, geez, how often did Newkirk get beaten off of the dribble, and he is lightening quick. he just doesn't have that mindset. It is often the unheralded players that come in and have that chip on their shoulder and commit to doing what it takes to get on the court. I don't think Dixon will ever have a team loaded with elite recruits to try to get them to play great d. He needs to get back to his recruiting roots.
 
I am fairly optimistic that the D will be improved because:

1. This year's Cs should be better defensively than last year's group.

2. Young will be better defensively at PF than Artis.

3. Smith and Wilson may be better than Newkirk and a not completely healthy Wright.

4. Robinson returns to his defensive form of his first two seasons. Supposedly he had nagging groin or hamstring injuries last year.

5. Competition for minutes at SF causes Artis, Jeter and Jones to work harder on their D, and Artis doesn't just get the job by default because of his offensive skills.

6. Everyone is a year older mentally and physically.
 
I am fairly optimistic that the D will be improved because:

1. This year's Cs should be better defensively than last year's group.

2. Young will be better defensively at PF than Artis.

3. Smith and Wilson may be better than Newkirk and a not completely healthy Wright.

4. Robinson returns to his defensive form of his first two seasons. Supposedly he had nagging groin or hamstring injuries last year.

5. Competition for minutes at SF causes Artis, Jeter and Jones to work harder on their D, and Artis doesn't just get the job by default because of his offensive skills.

6. Everyone is a year older mentally and physically.
If most hold true, we are dancing.
Despite our worts.. It took tanking the final 3 games to ruin the season
 
Pitt's decline began before Pitt joined the ACC. There is no concrete evidence that joining the ACC has had any negative impact on recruiting or any other key factor related to the success of the program. It's a convenient excuse and nothing more. Did Heron and Rowan decommit because Pitt's in the ACC? The whole idea that a player in the NE would rather play in the watered down BE versus the ACC is ludicrous. ACC teams have always had success recruiting up and down the entirety of the east coast including the NY, Phil. DC/Maryland and NJ areas. The more likely factors negatively impacting Pitt recruiting are style of play(and perhaps even more significantly reputation for stye of play as characterized by other schools'recruiters) and the combined lack of salesmanship of the current staff. Coaches don't like change, in particular a move to a conference with bluebloods like UNC and that more than anything else, I would argue, fueled Dixon and Boeheim's desire to maintain the status quo. In its first year in the ACC Syracuse won 25-26 consecutive games-that doesn't strike me as a team suddenly in over their heads. If Pitt wants respect in the ACC and in the entirety of the conference's geographic footprint, then it's going to have to do the same thing that it did in the BE and that's earn it on the court.

Yes, you're right to point out the problems started several years back. Still, I think the ACC move does more harm than good. I think we had more to sell to recruits before than we do now.
 
Yes, you're right to point out the problems started several years back. Still, I think the ACC move does more harm than good. I think we had more to sell to recruits before than we do now.

The thing is, before the move to the ACC, there were problems as well.... there are always problems... but Dixon was always able to pull things together. But, shortly after the move to the ACC was made, everything fell apart. The whole Birch fiasco.... Woodall getting injured... playing Gibbs at PG... and the season ending with the CBI. Since then, two NCAA invites and one NIT invite and... one win in the NCAA and that is all.

The fact that these things occurred right after the move to the ACC was announced, is NOT just coincidence. For Dixon, it was like he had the rug pulled out from under him. And, what was on the rug was shakey to start with. But, he had always been able to pull things together... but then everything fell apart.

But, with the signings of the three grad transfers this past summer, he has filled out his roster (and, they are all good players) and that was a major problem last year. So, HOPEFULLY, he is ready to rebound.

But, he has to put these players together as a team... and the move of Artis to SF.... well, we will have to see if that works and IMO it won't. So, we are just gonna see what happens.

Yeah, in the early games, I will be watching to see how good (or bad) Artis looks defensively at SF. Defensively, IMO Artis should be better at SF. But, I haven't seen enough of him there to know for sure. In rewatching the Louisville game, I did see him switching off his man too much and that might be a bigger problem for him at SF. We will just have to see.
 
The thing is, before the move to the ACC, there were problems as well.... there are always problems... but Dixon was always able to pull things together. But, shortly after the move to the ACC was made, everything fell apart. The whole Birch fiasco.... Woodall getting injured... playing Gibbs at PG... and the season ending with the CBI. Since then, two NCAA invites and one NIT invite and... one win in the NCAA and that is all.

The fact that these things occurred right after the move to the ACC was announced, is NOT just coincidence. For Dixon, it was like he had the rug pulled out from under him. And, what was on the rug was shakey to start with. But, he had always been able to pull things together... but then everything fell apart.

But, with the signings of the three grad transfers this past summer, he has filled out his roster (and, they are all good players) and that was a major problem last year. So, HOPEFULLY, he is ready to rebound.

But, he has to put these players together as a team... and the move of Artis to SF.... well, we will have to see if that works and IMO it won't. So, we are just gonna see what happens.

Yeah, in the early games, I will be watching to see how good (or bad) Artis looks defensively at SF. Defensively, IMO Artis should be better at SF. But, I haven't seen enough of him there to know for sure. In rewatching the Louisville game, I did see him switching off his man too much and that might be a bigger problem for him at SF. We will just have to see.
Birch, Woodall & Gibbs situations were ALL pre-ACC. Our first ACC season was a success, and the guys played well....and hard, all year. Last season was the anomaly.
 
I think it is great to have a new topic on dribbles and a favorite of mine. I have been saying for a while that the defense last year was, frankly, embarrassing. As bad as it was, it may not take much to improve it. Better defensive rebounding should help limit easy second chance points. With respect to perimeter defense, I think it is a mindset. This team was more comfortable being beaten off the dribble and trying to make it up on the offensive end. The great defenders take pride in their d. They know it can lead to easy offensive buckets. I just dont think the guards are really very tenacious. I mean, geez, how often did Newkirk get beaten off of the dribble, and he is lightening quick. he just doesn't have that mindset. It is often the unheralded players that come in and have that chip on their shoulder and commit to doing what it takes to get on the court. I don't think Dixon will ever have a team loaded with elite recruits to try to get them to play great d. He needs to get back to his recruiting roots.
Good post. I'm hoping Wilson in particular can improve the D against opposing guards, he's long and athletic, looks physical and should be able to man-defend in the Dixon tradition.

I have to say my expectations are tempered but I'm looking forward to seeing what this team can do coming off a really lackluster year. It will be more interesting than it has been in a while.
 
Yes, you're right to point out the problems started several years back. Still, I think the ACC move does more harm than good. I think we had more to sell to recruits before than we do now.

Our problems started with the Bond fiasco (losing what good will we had built up in the eastern part of the state)

Skerry and Barton were bad hires - We started to recruit a different kind of player (wrong for Pitt).

Why is Barton still on the staff? - We need someone that can get us back into Philly, Harrisburg, etc.
 
Birch, Woodall & Gibbs situations were ALL pre-ACC. Our first ACC season was a success, and the guys played well....and hard, all year. Last season was the anomaly.

OK, shortly after the move to the ACC was ANNOUNCED.

Misspoke... misstyped on that one.
 
Yes, you're right to point out the problems started several years back. Still, I think the ACC move does more harm than good. I think we had more to sell to recruits before than we do now.

You guys are delusional.

Notre Dame was 32-6. Louisville was 27-9. Syracuse was reasonable given their circumstances. A year earlier, Pitt finished fifth in the conference and was in the semis. Neither Duke nor UNC has won the ACC regular season for the last three years or the tournament for the last four.

I think Zara has some kind of quota that he has to use the term "visibility" in every post he makes. How many players have we gone after the last few years that ended up at NCSt? How is that at all related to NYC visibility? Many on this board were complaining about recruiting against Iowa State for crying out loud, and they have to have the absolute worst visibility of anyone.

Things change. The Big East is dead. Get over it already. If Dixon can't compete in the ACC, then he really does deserve to be fired, because plenty of other coaches would murder puppies for the chance to have a job in this conference.
 
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My fear is that Artie isn't the mismatch to be an effective scorer at the 3 as he was at the 4.
And we are going to have to hide him on defense to limit his liability, either way.

A completely legit concern about the 3/4 mismatch issue.

I'm just going to choose to believe that it's not a real concern. Makes me happier.
 
In this day and age, I just don't think players - in general terms... buy into playing defense period.

On one of the ESPN radio talk shows - I think it was SVP and Russillo at the time - Van Pelt asked who is the most animated coach in college BB and the consensus was Dixon which brings me to my next point.

When you see at EVERY SINGLE TIME-OUT (yes, I'm shouting (as Dixon does for a reason) imploring his players presumably to play better defense - don't you think the players just tune him out after a while?

Not exactly the same thing but, I remember Jerome Lane when asked about Paul Evans and he said something to the effect that..."how many times can you be called a mother-f%$#er before you just let it go in one ear and out the other."

It's all Dixon talks about at his pressers as well -"We need to get better defensively". How many times have we heard this???

If they're not playing better defense after practically getting on your knees and begging - what are you doing wrong? You're the coach - either figure it out or maybe go in a different direction a la UNLV in the 80's?

I mean, whatever you're doing at least right now is not working but God knows, you get an A+++ effort for trying.

If you think that defense wins everything - go hire a dang defensive genius somewhere and get the 2 and 3 star players that will buy in to it.

Other competing coaches are salivating over this and probably play his press-conference recordings to prospective recruits.

"Listen to coach Dixon stressing ad nauseum - play defense"

"How many players has coach Dixon placed in the NBA - maybe because all he stresses is defense? - come here where we KNOW how to put players in the NBA"

At this level in a P5 conference - that's all that recruits want to hear.

And to ask posters (I know you were for the most part kidding) to put some suggestions out there for coach Dixon to try.

I dunno - OK here's one - how about losing weight Robinson and Artis - get in better shape - improve your footwork - jump some rope?

Cassius Winston, Mustapha Heron and Ron - I mean Maverick Rowan - they hear it from other coaches - if you want to expand you game and get to the NBA - come here!

If you want to go play defense and btw if you don't, you'll sit - your choice - here's the pen - let me help you get to the NBA ok?

Very interesting reply NC. Thank you!

I read it three times before replying.

I was especially interested in the ESPN radio calling Dixon the most animated. I'll agree that Jamie is certainly wound up during games, and often is surely seems to he's too wound up. But it sure seems to me like I've seen worse.

And I don't want to give the impression that I'm dismissing your point, because it is a logical one.

But I must make two point in rebuttal.

First -- I would recommend not even comparing Dixon and Evans, because this doesn't make your point. Evans berated his players with negativity. Perhaps Dixon is too hyper, and that's not resonating as well as he would want. But he's not even close to the same planet as Evans.

Second -- while Dixon is animated, and perhaps even too hyper, I don't see him as any different than he was in 2009 during the Elite 8 season. He strained and stressed for perfection then and it happened more often than not.

Generally speaking, I think the answer is pretty simple.

When Dixon has good enough players and they respond, he looks pretty much like any other successful coach, warts and all.

When his players perhaps aren't quite as good, or aren't responding, then we start picking him apart.

What's most simple is that this goes with the job.

For most of Dixon's 12 years, what Dixon has done has worked. He's been less successful as of late. But we'll all have to deal with the same personality that made him a success that we are seeing now. Perhaps maybe his players just aren't as good.
 
A completely legit concern about the 3/4 mismatch issue.

I'm just going to choose to believe that it's not a real concern. Makes me happier.


I don't share the level of concern that you guys do about Artis scoring while playing the 3 position ..... he can score from anywhere on the court so he should be fine offensively against a 3 or a 4 guarding him ..... the real concern is his defense ..... if he can hold his own defensively at the 3, we have a chance to be a pretty good team.
 
I don't share the level of concern that you guys do about Artis scoring while playing the 3 position ..... he can score from anywhere on the court so he should be fine offensively against a 3 or a 4 guarding him ..... the real concern is his defense ..... if he can hold his own defensively at the 3, we have a chance to be a pretty good team.


Artis still needs to diversify his offensive game. He became a confident. pretty efficient spot up jump shooter last year. He wasn't nearly as successful when he tried to put the ball on the floor or when he got the ball inside. He still has a way to go to reach his ceiling.
 
Artis still needs to diversify his offensive game. He became a confident. pretty efficient spot up jump shooter last year. He wasn't nearly as successful when he tried to put the ball on the floor or when he got the ball inside. He still has a way to go to reach his ceiling.

Del, I agree with you but think Artis will do fine with spot up jump shooting against 3's (as Gibbs did at the 2) and will do better against 3's then 4's inside.... if he improves his offense off the dribble then WOW ! ..... it is not that I don't have some concern about him offensively at the 3 but as I said, my level of concern is less then many on here ..... I think he will score ...... my main concern with Artis is on the defensive end.
 
If you watched Artis last year, his game was mostly catch and shoot. Dixon would run plays that featured him, and they would be Jamel running through the lane and getting screens, getting open momentarily and then the catch and shoot and he was the best shooter on the team. He also would go to the 3 point line and if the guy covering him did not get out there fast enough, he would nail 3 balls.

Someone playing SF like say... Lamar Patterson... should be able to put the ball on the floor and take it all the ways to the hoop (and Lamar could do that in no uncertain terms... had that long reach layup that most teams could not stop) or put the ball on the floor and then make a move and shoot (and Lamar had that step back 3ball shot that was almost unstoppable as well).

Someone playing SF can do catch and shoot as well but.... the percentage of shots from outside becomes much greater than someone playing PF.

Now, the thing is, Dixon says the plan since the end of last season was to move Jamel to SF, and he has been working with Jamel on that since then. So, yeah, we are just gonna have to see how this all works out.

But, the thing is, Jamel averaged 13.6 PPG last year and was our leading scorer. However, he in fact averaged over 20 PPG once he got moved to PF and got it going... and his scoring average was thus held down by the early part of the season when he was playing SF and only averaging around 6 PPG. So, even if he averages 10 PPG at SF we are going to take a 10 PPG hit from where we were at offensively at the peak of last season and, that is gonna be difficult to replace.

Whether we think this is gonna work or not, is moot. Dixon has made his decision and that is the way it is gonna be. Whether he ends up still playing Jamel some at PF, when Young is not in the game, remains to be seen.

So, the only thing we can do is see what happens and... if it doesn't work.... what adjustments Dixon makes or doesn't make.
 
** If you are the type who likes a reason to worry, then realize that in the CBI year, our defensive efficiency was ranked #149. The improvement to #21 the following year came largely because of the addition of Steve Adams who could hedge all over the court. But it's hard seeing the newcomer who can have that kind of impact next year.

While, yes, there's no Steven Adams-type defender walking through that door, I do believe that we have greatly upgraded our defense at the 4/5 positions with Young at the 4 and the committee at the 5. And as bad a defender as Artis is, he's honestly no worse than Jeter and Jones were at the 3. So, we've improved 2 positions while keeping the defense at the 3 poor. The hope is that Artis can improve enough to be a "net positive" player at the 3. If that's the case, I think we can be pretty good.

If there was an advanced stat that shows the number of layups Pitt conceded last year, I would guess they would have ranked as one of the worst in the nation in that stat. All year, it seemed like teams were running layup lines against us. And its not hard to figure out why that was. We had nobody who could stop dribble penetration and no enforcer inside. I cant speak for Maia but ANO seems to be one of the better shot blockers in the nation. Nix's presence also could deter folks from testing the paint. Last year, there was nothing even close to this.
 
You guys are delusional.

Notre Dame was 32-6. Louisville was 27-9. Syracuse was reasonable given their circumstances. A year earlier, Pitt finished fifth in the conference and was in the semis. Neither Duke nor UNC has won the ACC regular season for the last three years or the tournament for the last four.

I think Zara has some kind of quota that he has to use the term "visibility" in every post he makes. How many players have we gone after the last few years that ended up at NCSt? How is that at all related to NYC visibility? Many on this board were complaining about recruiting against Iowa State for crying out loud, and they have to have the absolute worst visibility of anyone.

Things change. The Big East is dead. Get over it already. If Dixon can't compete in the ACC, then he really does deserve to be fired, because plenty of other coaches would murder puppies for the chance to have a job in this conference.

Agreed. I'd love to play in NYC for "visibility" but, honestly, what does more for our visibility in NYC, a game vs Davidson at 12:30 PM on a Sunday afternoon 2 days before Christmas on ESPNU in front of 3,000 people at MSG or, for example, a game at Texas in Austin on a Wednesday night on ESPN? I'm just using Texas as an example of a team who would play us home and home.

Listen, its great to get games in NYC, but we should not sell out just to play mid to low-level games there. If it were me, I might have turned down the Gotham game against Davidson and created a 4 game "fake tournament" at the Pete and went on the road somewhere against a good team.
 
Agreed. I'd love to play in NYC for "visibility" but, honestly, what does more for our visibility in NYC, a game vs Davidson at 12:30 PM on a Sunday afternoon 2 days before Christmas on ESPNU in front of 3,000 people at MSG or, for example, a game at Texas in Austin on a Wednesday night on ESPN? I'm just using Texas as an example of a team who would play us home and home.

Listen, its great to get games in NYC, but we should not sell out just to play mid to low-level games there. If it were me, I might have turned down the Gotham game against Davidson and created a 4 game "fake tournament" at the Pete and went on the road somewhere against a good team.
all you've ever done in the past is yap about Pitt having to play in NYC, get the ACC tourney there, etc Do you realize the NCAA as to approve "tournaments"???. Goofy.
 
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