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A Plan for Pitt, PSU and WVU to preserve their traditional rivalries

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without overburdening their schedule. Let me first say that I am not one who longs for Pitt-PSU to be an annual event. Those days seem long gone and part of the appeal in 2016 (which was great) was the fact that the two schools hadn't played in more than a decade and a half. With that said, I do want to see the schools continue to play one another, just not every season. Hence, this plan.

I came up with this idea several years ago - before the 2016 renewal - but never posted it here despite intending to every year since the renewal. I've mentioned it to several people, and all seem to like the idea. Anyways, I think it works and could be a beneficial thing for all three schools.

The plan is simply for the three schools to play one another, round-robin style, every year, alternating home-and-home. This would mean that each matchup would occur once every three years and each school would host a particular matchup once every six years. It would also mean that once every three years a team would be playing neither of the two. This schedule is not so frequent as to get old, but often enough to maintain a sense of regularity and anticipation to it. It would also provide each school with some scheduling flexibility as it would preserve traditional rivalries with two schools but require a game only two out of three years, the third year allowing for the scheduling of another OOC opponent.

The Plan also allows for some modification. If the above schedule seems to cramp the style too much of a particular school (PSU, of course) which desires greater scheduling flexibility, more home games or more cupcakes, the round-robin could occur over 4 years, meaning each school would play a game in two of the four years and each could schedule other opponents two out of the four years. It could even be extended to once every 5 years, etc. The idea is to have a regularly scheduled game with the two schools, but spread out over enough years that it is not played every year while allowing enough scheduling flexibility to serve the schools' other scheduling needs.

I know this will never happen, but it seems like a sensible approach and could preserve the traditional, long-standing rivalries between these three schools even though all three now belong to three separate conferences.
 
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Do WVU and PSU really care all that much? The all-time record in that series is probably very lopsided.
 
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Do WVU and PSU really care all that much? The all-time record in that series is probably very lopsided.

The one PSU grad I mentioned it to liked the idea but did comment that he didn't care that much that the PSU-WVU rivalry continue. My guess is that WVU would like to see the rivalry continue more than PSU might. Of course, that is most likely true of Pitt and PSU also. The rivalry certainly seems to be valued more by Pitt and Pitt fans than PSU and it's fans.
 
I'm excited to have the hoopies back on the schedule. I hope it becomes an annual game.

As for PedSt, I honestly could less if they ever play again.
 
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without overburdening their schedule. Let me first say that I am not one who longs for Pitt-PSU to be an annual event. Those days seem long gone and part of the appeal in 2016 (which was great) was the fact that the two schools hadn't played in more than a decade and a half. With that said, I do want to see the schools continue to play one another, just not every season. Hence, this plan.

I came up with this idea several years ago - before the 2016 renewal - but never posted it here despite intending to every year since the renewal. I've mentioned it to several people, and all seem to like the idea. Anyways, I think it works and could be a beneficial thing for all three schools.

The plan is simply for the three schools to play one another, round-robin style, every year, alternating home-and-home. This would mean that each matchup would occur once every three years and each school would host a particular matchup once every six years. It would also mean that once every three years a team would be playing neither of the two. This schedule is not so frequent as to get old, but often enough to maintain a sense of regularity and anticipation to it. It would also provide each school with some scheduling flexibility as it would preserve traditional rivalries with two schools but require a game only two out of three years, the third year allowing for the scheduling of another OOC opponent.

The Plan also allows for some modification. If the above schedule seems to cramp the style too much of a particular school (PSU, of course) which desires greater scheduling flexibility, more home games or more cupcakes, the round-robin could occur over 4 years, meaning each school would play a game in two of the four years and each could schedule other opponents two out of the four years. It could even be extended to once every 5 years, etc. The idea is to have a regularly scheduled game with the two schools, but spread out over enough years that it is not played every year while allowing enough scheduling flexibility to serve the schools' other scheduling needs.

I know this will never happen, but it seems like a sensible approach and could preserve the traditional, long-standing rivalries between these three schools even though all three now belong to three separate conferences.
Let it go. Let it goooooo. Let it go. ( apologies to Frozen ).
 
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This is very simple.

Pitt and Penn State once had one of the greatest rivalries in college football. For a lot of reasons, that is no longer true.

Penn State no longer wishes to play Pitt at all, really, much less on an annual basis.

Personally, I think that’s goofy. I think they are making a hubris-fueled mistake. Every time they protest about how much they don’t care about Pitt they only further reveal just how deeply they care about Pitt.

Look at the secondary market for tickets this week. It was a pretty pricey ticket. That doesn’t happen if no one cares.

However, and I can’t stress this enough, it is entirely their prerogative to ignore reality to their heart’s content. I think the events of the past few years have conclusively demonstrated that they are proficient in that regard.

As such, we need to take the hint and move on. There are no elaborate plans to maintain something that the other side CLEARLY doesn’t want to maintain.

If your wife tells you that she wants to sleep with other men, you don’t try to figure out ways to stay married while still allowing her to fulfill her desires. You summon your dignity, straighten your back, dust yourself off and you wish her well going forward.

You don’t have to appeal to your friends and neighbors about what she’s done to you because they already know. You don’t think the rest of the college football world doesn’t know exactly what Penn State is about nowadays? You don’t think everyone’s figured them out? Of course they have!

The rest of the college football world agrees that we should play annually. However, it just doesn’t matter.

Now, I sure would love to somehow beat them tomorrow as a going away present. That would be delightfully poetic justice. Frankly, I’m not sure if we have enough to do that, but I sure would revel in it.

In the meantime, you call our friends/rivals to our south, West Virginia and you offer them a 20-year home-and-home series to be played annually on Thanksgiving weekend or even on the first weekend in December. None of this early season/September bullshit. They will agree to it within the three business days – I guarantee it.

Is it as great as what we once had with Penn State? No, it’s clearly not as good. That was a unique game – particularly here in Western Pennsylvania. I know in my family, many are proud Penn State alums/fans. We have a lot of fun surrounding this game. It’s the same with my friends. I have many Penn State friends whom I really enjoy but who are crazy when it comes to college football.

There’s not that same cross pollination when it comes to West Virginia – there just isn’t. The entire rivalry has a completely different flavor. However, it could be much worse. We may not have a secondary rivalry of that caliber to fall back on.

I know the West Virginia’s fans can be boorish and difficult. I would have stern language regarding fan behavior in the contract between the two schools. I would force them to be accountable for their own actions.

However, at the end of the day, I think college football is all about rivalries and for the same reasons that I think Pitt and Penn State should play every year, I also think Pitt and West Virginia should play every year.

The difference is the former has no interest in preserving the century-old tradition while the latter is dying to restart our equally historic series. I say let’s give everyone what they want and move on.

I don’t see any ACC opponent who can usurp either Penn State or West Virginia in the hearts and minds of the local fans. I would say Virginia Tech has the best opportunity to do that, but that’s never going to be remotely close to the emotions involving Pitt-Penn State or the Backyard Brawl.
 
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No, I lived in Clarksburg for a few years and met many wonderful people there, most of whom were WVU fans.

I did have a girl who refused to wait on me at Kroger one night because I was wearing a Pitt T-shirt. I thought that was pretty interesting. At first, I assumed she was joking with me. However, she literally went and got someone else to come and wait on me.

That was definitely weird but also kind of amusing. However, I sincerely liked West Virginians as a whole.

That said, they definitely have a bit of a cultural problem surrounding their game day atmosphere and there’s just no doubt about that.

They think it’s cool to act like an asshole to the opposing fans – and that’s especially true with the teams they consider their biggest rivals. To many, that’s how they show their devotion to the cause.

However, it’s not cool at all. Acting like an asshole to opposing fans doesn’t make you a hard-core fan, it just makes you an asshole.

Look, I am also a passionate Steelers fan and I’ve seen things at Steelers games that make me blush. I have found many of those antics embarrassing. Further, I don’t think the NFL or the Steelers have done enough to curb some of the horseshit you see at their games. I also don’t think WVU has done enough to curb some of the horseshit I have experienced at their games.

I’ve told this story before but I once saw an old man – definitely older than 70 — get sucker punched leaving Mountaineer Field and he wasn’t doing anything to provoke it other than wearing a Pitt jacket. I also saw a security guard witness the assault but refuse to do anything about it. That’s the type of bullshit I’m talking about.

Don’t tell me it doesn’t happen because I saw it with my own two eyes – and so did the rest of my group.

I’m just saying that I have been everywhere. I’ve been to SEC games, Pac 12 games, many Big Ten games and I have also followed Pitt all over the country and you simply don’t experience that level of vitriol or straight up nastiness anywhere else – you just don’t. With that said, the Utah fans were definitely strangely combative — I will say that much. Then again, the Utah fans were strange, period.

I still favor a return of the Backyard Brawl. However, I don’t want to pretend that the sky is not blue or that the ocean is not wet; or that West Virginia does not have a cultural problem when it comes to their fans’ behavior at Mountaineer football games.
 
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