A thought about conference, ACC realignment

[ThePanthers]

The ACC network is going to have the same amount of internet only programming as the other networks have now. The reason is because college baseball, soccer, lacrosse, etc. don't draw enough viewers to get on broadcast TV on a regular basis.

Yep, it's really going to be no different than the SEC Network or BTN, especially the SEC Network.

 

[HailToPitt725]

https://247sports.com/college/oklah...Michigan-SEC-Pac-12-Big-10-ACC--118642101/Amp

This article is a must-read. It’s amazing timing with the thread we have going on right now, and confirms some of the beliefs here that conferences are going away for super leagues- by leagues, I mean 30 to 40 teams. Hear about it from one of the executives who will be pulling the strings.

 

[ThePanthers]

https://247sports.com/college/oklah...Michigan-SEC-Pac-12-Big-10-ACC--118642101/Amp

This article is a must-read. It’s amazing timing with the thread we have going on right now, and confirms some of the beliefs here that conferences are going away for super leagues- by leagues, I mean 30 to 40 teams. Hear about it from one of the executives who will be pulling the strings.

So what about the other sports? This seems to be only football centric.

 

[HailToPitt725]

So what about the other sports? This seems to be only football centric.

If I had to guess, Amazon, Google, etc. could care less for any other sport not named football or men’s basketball. I’d imagine it would be football-centic, which means two things:

1) They’d create some sort of scheduling format for non-revenue sports that involves the P5 schools or
2) It stays the same way as it is currently

 

[ThePanthers]

If I had to guess, Amazon, Google, etc. could care less for any other sport not named football or men’s basketball. I’d imagine it would be football-centic, which means two things:

1) They’d create some sort of scheduling format for non-revenue sports that involves the P5 schools or
2) It stays the same way as it is currently

If I'm Duke, Kentucky, UCLA, or any other school that is a big BB power but didn't make the Big boy list for football, I tell them, "F U" for scheduling basketball and enjoy their 30-40 team tourney, along with every other sport.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So what about the other sports? This seems to be only football centric.

If I had to guess, Amazon, Google, etc. could care less for any other sport not named football or men’s basketball. I’d imagine it would be football-centic, which means two things:

1) They’d create some sort of scheduling format for non-revenue sports that involves the P5 schools or
2) It stays the same way as it is currently

In the current landscape, TV deals are negotiated by conference. Its basically revenue sharing as Ohio State and Michigan agree to accept less than their market value and redistribute their TV wealth to Northwestern and Minnesota.

What this article is suggesting is that streamers will come in and pay, say, Ohio State $50 million for their home games and negotiate just per team. So maybe Penn State gets $50 million and Pitt gets $10 million. However, in order to do this you'd have to eliminate conferences and I don't think we are ready for that.

You may see Amazon or Netflix bid on sports deals but they are going to have to bid by conference. The schools arent ready to give up B10/SEC/ACC and have a "national league" just yet.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The decline in NFL attendance started before any protests, it's why teams started ripping out seats for "party decks" and whatnot 5ish years ago. The pro leagues have been pricing most people out over past decade, its cheaper and easier to sit at home and watch on TV while screwing around with fantasy stuff on your phone or laptop.

Sunday Ticket is useless when there's games on broadcast networks or basic cable Thursday Night, Sunday morning, Sunday at 1pm, Sunday at 4pm, Sunday at 4:25pm, Sunday at 8pm and Monday night.

TV Ratings are down for everything so it's not just an NFL problem, there's a major shift in viewing platforms and habits which is the main culprit.

I’ve gotten to the point where I almost question nfl fans who’d rather go to a game then watch it on tv. I kind of feel the same with pitt games. If it weren’t for the tailgating, watching it on tv is twice the experience vs going to cookie cutter stadium on north side to watch pitt play.

Footbal in person is much better because you can see the play develop. Watching it on TV only gives you so much. You miss an important piece of the game.

 

[Mikefln]

If I had to guess, Amazon, Google, etc. could care less for any other sport not named football or men’s basketball. I’d imagine it would be football-centic, which means two things:

1) They’d create some sort of scheduling format for non-revenue sports that involves the P5 schools or
2) It stays the same way as it is currently

Not to hijack this, but this statement is true and it shows why Title IX is complete bull crap.

 

[HailToPitt725]

In the current landscape, TV deals are negotiated by conference. Its basically revenue sharing as Ohio State and Michigan agree to accept less than their market value and redistribute their TV wealth to Northwestern and Minnesota.

What this article is suggesting is that streamers will come in and pay, say, Ohio State $50 million for their home games and negotiate just per team. So maybe Penn State gets $50 million and Pitt gets $10 million. However, in order to do this you'd have to eliminate conferences and I don't think we are ready for that.

You may see Amazon or Netflix bid on sports deals but they are going to have to bid by conference. The schools arent ready to give up B10/SEC/ACC and have a "national league" just yet.

I don’t know, money talks. If the article is true and these tech companies are going to offer the top 30/40 schools 10x what they’re making right now to fall in line and form a so-called national league, I think they’d do it. I’m sure they’d still have some sort of regional divisions within the league, but it’d be hard to pass up that type of money.

This is where Tier 3 rights come in handy. Oklahoma or someone else could negotiate with Netflix/Twitter to show 3-4 football games a year and maybe one conference game.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

In the current landscape, TV deals are negotiated by conference. Its basically revenue sharing as Ohio State and Michigan agree to accept less than their market value and redistribute their TV wealth to Northwestern and Minnesota.

What this article is suggesting is that streamers will come in and pay, say, Ohio State $50 million for their home games and negotiate just per team. So maybe Penn State gets $50 million and Pitt gets $10 million. However, in order to do this you'd have to eliminate conferences and I don't think we are ready for that.

You may see Amazon or Netflix bid on sports deals but they are going to have to bid by conference. The schools arent ready to give up B10/SEC/ACC and have a "national league" just yet.

I don’t know, money talks. If the article is true and these tech companies are going to offer the top 30/40 schools 10x what they’re making right now to fall in line and form a so-called national league, I think they’d do it. I’m sure they’d still have some sort of regional divisions within the league, but it’d be hard to pass up that type of money.

This is where Tier 3 rights come in handy. Oklahoma or someone else could negotiate with Netflix/Twitter to show 3-4 football games a year and maybe one conference game.

I think you could eventually see conferences allow teams to sell 1-3 home games like the B12 does but remember what a big stink was made over that? This would only benefit 10 or so schools.

The only way I see the national league thing is if these schools leave the NCAA altogether based on other factors.

And I think if it came down to it schools like OSU, Mich, PSU, etc would hold the others hostage and force them to allow them to negotiate outside of the B10 contract while remaining in the B10

 

[pittdan77]

https://247sports.com/college/oklah...Michigan-SEC-Pac-12-Big-10-ACC--118642101/Amp

This article is a must-read. It’s amazing timing with the thread we have going on right now, and confirms some of the beliefs here that conferences are going away for super leagues- by leagues, I mean 30 to 40 teams. Hear about it from one of the executives who will be pulling the strings.

Totally groundbreaking. We've never seen a conference expansion/next big thing article out of Big 12 schools message board writer before.

In all seriousness, if Amazon and Netflix and whoever else really feels that way, why didn't they throw a wad of money at MNF when it came around last year and just win it to set the bar now?

 

[HailToPitt725]

Totally groundbreaking. We've never seen a conference expansion/next big thing article out of Big 12 schools message board writer before.

In all seriousness, if Amazon and Netflix and whoever else really feels that way, why didn't they throw a wad of money at MNF when it came around last year and just win it to set the bar now?

Amazon paid $50 million to stream 10 TNF games last year as a test run. The year before that, Twitter paid $10 million to show some games as well. I’d expect TBS/CBS to also make a run considering how successful they’ve been with the March Madness streaming. You’re going to see more and more of this in the coming years.

As for Netflix and YouTube, I think they’ve been busy experimenting with this type of stuff, but have started with the sitcom side of it first. Once they get that figured out, they’ll move to sports and experiment with it the way Twitter and Amazon did to complete their programming package. Once this happens, they can begin to go head-to-head with the major TV networks.

 

[HailToPitt725]

I think you could eventually see conferences allow teams to sell 1-3 home games like the B12 does but remember what a big stink was made over that? This would only benefit 10 or so schools.

The only way I see the national league thing is if these schools leave the NCAA altogether based on other factors.

And I think if it came down to it schools like OSU, Mich, PSU, etc would hold the others hostage and force them to allow them to negotiate outside of the B10 contract while remaining in the B10

I’m OK with them leaving the NCAA. For one thing, that means we’ll get the college football video games again In all seriousness, do you agree that they’re slowly shifting this way with the P5 asking for full autonomy? I think it’s beginning to be when, not if.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I think you could eventually see conferences allow teams to sell 1-3 home games like the B12 does but remember what a big stink was made over that? This would only benefit 10 or so schools.

The only way I see the national league thing is if these schools leave the NCAA altogether based on other factors.

And I think if it came down to it schools like OSU, Mich, PSU, etc would hold the others hostage and force them to allow them to negotiate outside of the B10 contract while remaining in the B10

I’m OK with them leaving the NCAA. For one thing, that means we’ll get the college football video games again In all seriousness, do you agree that they’re slowly shifting this way with the P5 asking for full autonomy? I think it’s beginning to be when, not if.

Here's the thing. There is plenty of money to be made under the NCAA umbrella and in the current conference format. I think the only drastic changes you may see are:

1. A separate division for the P5 under the NCAA umbrella

2. Streaming providers buying conference packages or "3rd tier rights" to teams like Ohio State, USC, etc.

3. Conferences marketing subpackages. Like OSU/Mich is sold separately with say 40% going to OSU, 40% going to Mich, 20% going to the B10.

I dont think the schools will leave the NCAA altogether and I don't believe there will ever be a "national league." Too many good schools and the eyeballs of their fans would be left out.

 

[pittdan77]

Amazon paid $50 million to stream 10 TNF games last year as a test run.

Here's the thing. There is plenty of money to be made under the NCAA umbrella and in the current conference format. I think the only drastic changes you may see are:

1. A separate division for the P5 under the NCAA umbrella

2. Streaming providers buying conference packages or "3rd tier rights" to teams like Ohio State, USC, etc.

3. Conferences marketing subpackages. Like OSU/Mich is sold separately with say 40% going to OSU, 40% going to Mich, 20% going to the B10.

I dont think the schools will leave the NCAA altogether and I don't believe there will ever be a "national league." Too many good schools and the eyeballs of their fans would be left out.

4. An actual playoff tournament?

 

[Swervin27]

Footbal in person is much better because you can see the play develop. Watching it on TV only gives you so much. You miss an important piece of the game.

I feel this way about hockey live, not football. When I go to game, I have to rewatch on tv to see all I missed.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Footbal in person is much better because you can see the play develop. Watching it on TV only gives you so much. You miss an important piece of the game.

I feel this way about hockey live, not football. When I go to game, I have to rewatch on tv to see all I missed.

Hockey, yea. Soccer too. Even though hockey and soccer lack goals,being there live makes you believe a goal can happen at anytime.

Basketball is the same on TV as in person. Baseball is dreadfully boring regardless. 5 minutes of "action" packed into 3 hours

 

[Swervin27]

Hockey, yea. Soccer too. Even though hockey and soccer lack goals,being there live makes you believe a goal can happen at anytime.

Basketball is the same on TV as in person. Baseball is dreadfully boring regardless. 5 minutes of "action" packed into 3 hours

Baseball is more of a relaxing ambience. Only game without a running clock mindset. If you are looking for an event in o stand on your feet and scream the whole time, basebsll is not your game.