Anyone at Pitt who signs off on this should have their head examined. 100% guaranteed to get screwed with nooner games on ACCN and CW, with a token ESPN2 game thrown in.
ACC Distribution Settlement
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If you want to see how dumb doing it this way is, I can tell you an easy way for Pitt to have increased their average viewership numbers by approximately 12-13%, which would have moved Pitt up two spots on the overall list.
The day that ESPN announced that they were going to put the Kent State game on ESPNU rather than the ACC Network (or even the ACCN+), Pitt should have informed them that oh, hey, did we forget to tell you, that game was canceled.
When you devise a system that tells people that their television rights are worth more in the aggregate if they refuse to play a game rather than play one on a low level channel then you are doing it wrong.
The day that ESPN announced that they were going to put the Kent State game on ESPNU rather than the ACC Network (or even the ACCN+), Pitt should have informed them that oh, hey, did we forget to tell you, that game was canceled.
When you devise a system that tells people that their television rights are worth more in the aggregate if they refuse to play a game rather than play one on a low level channel then you are doing it wrong.
The noon ESPNU slot was so bad. If they are paid based on that, it would have been better to cancel as you said or say there's was a stadium issue and the game has to
start at 3:30 (and be on unrated ACCNX)
Oh no, we'll be in the following league, how terrible
East
Pitt
WVU
Syr
BC
Cincy
VT
UCF
Wake
Duke
GT
NC St
Central
Iowa St
Kansas
KSt
OK St
TCU
SMU
Houston
Baylor
TT
West
Cal
Stan
AZ
ASU
Utah
BYU
Colorado
SDSU
Or St
All of the schools "left behind" in the football space should drop football. Seriously all should threaten to drop football. You want to see the NFL exercise its muscles to the networks?? Get rid of its free farm system.
If anybody needs any advice on dropping football, I suggest they consult with Poppi Williams. He has mastered the art, I'm afraid.
East.
Can probably add Memphis, Tulane, USF. Not so sure about Washington State.
It's basically going to be the Big East, Big 12, and Pac 12 but under 1 umbrella. Maybe it'll be called the Big 12. Maybe it'll be called the ACC. Or a different name.
It is very ACC to give FSU and Clemson everything they were demanding a few years ago.
It makes those two look like the reasonable parties and the ACC look like assholes.
It makes those two look like the reasonable parties and the ACC look like assholes.
yeah, some holes appear all of a sudden in that iron clad agreement. we still have hopes for that meteor hitting earth in 2032 so hopefully it wont matter.
Interesting. So it sounds like FSU & Clem agreed to stay, only until 2030 in exchange for more money now, a reduced exit fee then, and an elimination of the Grant of Rights. I mean, it's a win for FSU & Clemson but they ACC really had no choice to do this deal. They were always going to leave but this is better than them leaving now. And it allows schools like Pitt, Syr, GT, NC St, VT, Lou, Duke, etc to band together and work with ESPN to try to add Big 12 schools which add enough value. Either way, Pitt is going to be in a league with WVU, Cincy, UCF, etc in 2030-31. Just not sure what the name of it will be. I personally think the Big 12 brand name isn't valuable enough so I'd still call it the ACC. They can say the ACC stands for All Coasts Conference or something like the American Collegiate Conference (would have to then settle a lawsuit with the American Athletic Conference)
The funny part is that if Clemson and Florida State stayed put indefinitely under this arrangement their paths to a championship would almost inarguably be easier. I imagine some of their fans are aware of that. More money is certainly advantageous, but the returns are diminishing at some point as competition increases.
Like, Boise State might have a more accessible path to the playoff than LSU and Florida... but even if LSU and Florida only make one playoff each over the next ten years there's at least a chance they win a national championship, while there is no chance Boise wins one even if they make the next ten playoffs. I totally get that: an easier path to the playoff isn't everything.
However, there is certainly a sweet spot to be had. And I would have to think that Clemson and Florida State would be pretty close to that sweet spot under this deal. Some of their administrative salaries, however, might increase from $130K to $150K if they jump to the big two so you can bet they'll be peacing out in 2030.
Like, Boise State might have a more accessible path to the playoff than LSU and Florida... but even if LSU and Florida only make one playoff each over the next ten years there's at least a chance they win a national championship, while there is no chance Boise wins one even if they make the next ten playoffs. I totally get that: an easier path to the playoff isn't everything.
However, there is certainly a sweet spot to be had. And I would have to think that Clemson and Florida State would be pretty close to that sweet spot under this deal. Some of their administrative salaries, however, might increase from $130K to $150K if they jump to the big two so you can bet they'll be peacing out in 2030.
I'm betting 12:01 AM on 1/1/30. Heck they can break the announcement as the sun sets over the San Gabriele mountains during the Rose Bowl. It would be cinematic.
So get ready for a sh!t show in 28/29 or so, a year or two before the B10(2029), ACC(2030) and B12(2031) contracts all expire.
I mean Pitt has no chance if they keep on getting placed on ESPNU at noon.
Wasn't this past year one ? Who the hell cares anymore. It's not even close to a level playing field anymore.
Wish they would leave now if they wanted too.
I wonder if part of this agreement is no more ESPNU games or that ESPNU games won't count towards the ratings criteria. I wonder if ESPN will pay for Nielsen to rate ACCN now because there's no way to track that viewership.
This is why I say college fans are more fans of their programs making money than they are about their teams winning. That sounds nutty but it's absolutely true. FSU and Clemson would undoubtedly have an easier path to the CFP in the ACC but their fans would much prefer that their programs make more money even if it means less playoff appearances. This is something very unique to fans of college football. Can you imagine a Steeler fan being so psyched that they get to be in the Patriots' AFC East during their glory days because they'd make more money (assuming there was unequal revenue sharing). Hell no. They want to avoid the tougher playoff path and play historic rivals. FSU & Clemson: "Give me a schedule of Alabama, Florida, LSU, Texas, Tennessee, Missouri, and South Carolina"
Jesus, if that's true then FSU and Clemson's lawyers must have taken the ACC's out behind the woodshed.
so the acc decides to pay out more based on TV ratings and this announcement happened about a month ago. man, what a coincidence.
I know you don't think it is a big deal....but it is. It is channel 1325 on Comcast (ACCN) Meanwhile all the sports channels are primarily 840-860. The SEC is 842. BTN is 855. FS1 is 856 ESPN 1, 2 News and U are 850-854. Pittsburgh sports net 843. Golf 849. NHL 858 MLB 859 NFL 860. 848, 847 and 846 are open. Phillips couldn't even get the ACCN on one of those channels.
Cause college fans feel like they're part of this if they went there. It's stupid and embarrassing, but they do. If Pitt developed a cure for the common cold tomorrow, 60% of this board would feel like they played a role in that.
Acrisure Stadium. Sundays are sold out. But Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Fridays aren't... Yet!
Right, the ACC caved on just about everything. Makes you wonder what type of influence ESPN had in all of this and what we don't know. It was about a month ago that ESPN picked up the ACC contract option, and I'm guessing that wasn't done in a vacuum.
Unless this was forced by ESPN, which would give the conference no choice, this settlement just frankly inexcusable at every level.
On the surface, it doesn't really speak much to Pitt's leadership if they voted for this either. But all the have-not schools did, so there is probably more to the surface than it appears. But on the surface, it makes no sense to fund FSU and Clemson's eventual departure though. No sense whatsoever. And this is what it looks like on the surface.
On the surface, it doesn't really speak much to Pitt's leadership if they voted for this either. But all the have-not schools did, so there is probably more to the surface than it appears. But on the surface, it makes no sense to fund FSU and Clemson's eventual departure though. No sense whatsoever. And this is what it looks like on the surface.
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The only thing that makes sense is that ESPN had the nuclear option on the table during the extension talks.
ESPN threatens to not renew, which would have meant that the ACC implodes in 2027. That would explain ESPN getting more Big 3 vs Notre Dame games and the complete capitulation of the conference to their demands to settle the lawsuits.
That's the only way I could see 10-12 of the conference's teams agreeing.
I’m still in the camp that plan a is for a big or sec invite by fsu, Clemson, unc and Miami. If that doesn’t come to fruition those 4 take nc state uva vt and gt and try to group up with the best of the big xii to form another national type conference.
If they get an invite, then the big xii takes the top 4-6 Acc teams remaining. Pitt would be in that 5-8 range.
That’s why I’m enjoying the next 6 seasons.
If they get an invite, then the big xii takes the top 4-6 Acc teams remaining. Pitt would be in that 5-8 range.
That’s why I’m enjoying the next 6 seasons.
I think we’ll be in a city/private school mashup.
Pitt
Boston college
Syracuse
Cincy
Wake forest
Memphis
Louisville
Houston
Tcu
Baylor
Smu
Stanford
Ucf
Maybe UConn as the exception
This guy was this board’s favorite legal mind because he reenforced the idea that Clemson and FSU had no legal ground to stand on, and therefore, no leverage to do anything.
You’ll should have listened to your boy when I made those “Liquidated Damages and Specific Performance for Dummies” posts wayyyyy back when. Before FSU ever sued the ACC. I like look a genius if one was to find and reread the thread.
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The Big 12 has already been picked apart. What is left are all teams about equal footing. They are already national. With the brands leaving the ACC, there will be equal and lower schools. The Big 12 will take 4 and call it a day at 20. The ACC will back fill with UConn, Memphis, Tulane, USF. That is decent revamped ACC, a lot of the old Big East coming together.
It's our lane, but it's so geographically and inter-conferencely insane that I can't imagine a scenario where it would ever happen. Like, if the Big 12 and ACC leftovers did mesh, they're not going to separate Pitt and WVU because one is in a bigger city. Or Cal/Stanford, Duke/Wake/NC State, etc.
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