Clemson and NC both go down in close losses tonight to SEC teams. Can anybody get this league a good non-con win?
ACC woes
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I never thought I'd see the day UNC was out athleted but that happened today. College sports has become the SEC and everyone else. The population base in the SEC footprint continues to expand and college sports are ingrained in the culture. I lived in both south and north Carolina and college sports are the only thing South Carolina cares about but the population base in NC is effectively just Yankee transplants. The booster money and proximity to high school athletes in the SEC footprint makes this an SEC world and the rest are hoping for a seat at the table. OSU, Michigan, and ND can compete as national brands in football and Duke will always be Duke and UConn is still UConn but the commitment to college sports, talent, and money are turning college baseball, basketball, and football into a Southeastern world that everyone else is just hoping to live in. Houston, Atlanta, and Dallas have become the New York, Philadelphia, and Detroit's (even Pittsburgh 's) of the 1960s-1999s in terms of basketball talent combined with unlimited booster $'s.
No question! They are pulling a better level athlete in both football and basketball.
Its not the population base in the SEC. Its money. Plain and simple. If you swapped all the SEC coaches and ACC coaches, then the ACC would become dominant. In basketball, you need 3 players. A point, wing, and big. There's plenty of good players. Good coaches can get players and make sure they get paid. The ACC simply has a very low level of coaches. The SEC is hiring proven coaches. The ACC hires assistants or MM lottery tickets.
UNC is in really deep crap. If they lose to UCLA and go 5-6 in the non-con, they may need to go 14-6 in the ACC. And with 4 games vs Duke/Pitt and at Clemson, I just dont see it. I dont see a way they can make the NCAAT if they dont beat UCLA. Its probably going to be 3 for the ACC. And the ACC better hope that Pitt or Clemson dont somehow tank, maybe with a key injury or 2 because although they seem to be the clear 2 and 3, they are not automatics to go 11-9 or better though I think both will.
Yeah, the most surprising thing about it all is that it took the SEC this long to get here in basketball.
Not that they haven't always had some good teams; I just mean to a point where they're a clear cut above the rest, like in football.
UNC will finish in the top four in the ACC, after losing to almost everyone with a beating heart outside of it. That'll be a good look for the conference.
Duke, Pitt, Clemson, UNC, SMU, and Lville all still good shape entering conference play. No bad q3/4 losses. Decent road/neutral recs. All those teams control their fate. Virginia with a chance for a solid win against Memphis. Not a great chance, but a chance.
Duke is a lock
Pitt and Clemson are in good shape.
UNC, SMU, FSU, NC St, Stan needs 13-7 and that aint easy because for one, these teams arent that good to rack up wins against teams they really arent much more talented than.
Very very possible its a 3 bid league.
Tough to defend the ACC (well, not literally - SEC has had no problem with it) these days. It genuinely does suck. It'll probably get more than three in, but it kind of is what it is at this point.
They have a neutral Q1 over Dayton and the other 4 losses are all Q1. The reason the B12 got multiple 10 plus loss teams in in recent years was because a lot of those losses were Q1.
FSU has no Q1/2 wins yet (0-3) and 7-0 in Q4 isn’t close - sort of like Pitt last year. Stanford has a q3 and q4 loss already and is not cutting it. Unc, SMU, Lville are the 3 with a realistic shot based on current resumes. The rest of ACC is so far down in NET it would take a lot to start to move up, though possibly Virginia if they beat Memphis and start to rise.
North Carolina is in decent shape if they win games in conference play. Having the #4 NCSOS will do that for you, along with having tournament-level efficiency metrics.
If those teams go 13-7, they have a very real shot. Just like Pitt last year at 12-8.
Any chance we can rename this forum the "ACC Sucks So Let's Constantly Whine About It" board (or better yet, "bored")?
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So to recap, the ACC sucks, Pitt and Clemson are pretty good, but it's also possible that one or both of Pitt or Clemson could go .500 or worse against all those teams that suck.
Which, of course, is completely and utterly illogical.
The logic there is simply to cover all bases.
That said, I think this Pitt team does have the makeup of a team that will be wildly inconsistent. Solid backcourt, weak frontcourt, quickness and athleticism should be advantages most nights, but they don't always seem engaged on the defensive end. Going to rely on the 3 a lot. All the makings of a roller coaster ride that can be both fun & frustrating to watch. ...Just my 2 cents from limited viewing this year.
This is a big game for UVA. That's not to suggest this team is going to be in the mix for a tourney bid this year. I don't think they will. They just need to stop the bleeding.
I think that with some injuries or like a cold-shooting stretch, Pitt & Clem could go 10-10 or 9-11. Very small chance of that happening but although we say the ACC sucks, the reality is that its not the NEC or Horizon. Its a little better than the A10 and if you go on the road and dont play well, you can lose.
Impressed they kept it close. Nice moral W for the league. And GT pulling away from Maryland's Baltimore County branch campus.
If you go through a cold shooting stretch long enough to lose enough games to bad teams that means that you aren't a good team. And if you go on the road and you don't play well against bad teams, that's because you are one of them.
If we are as good as you think we are, we are simply not going to go 10-10 or 9-11 against a bad ACC. If a record like that is even in play at all then that means that we are simply not that good.
If UVa can keep up this type of losing, they may just find themselves in Dayton like last year.
Well yes, we wouldn't be as good as we thought if we go 10-10 or 9-11 without injuries. I said we'll go 13-7. But that is no guarantee. We cant rebound and the D has been terrible in 1st halves (2nd half vs Wis), but that's without Dunn. We are good, not great. If we dont play well, we can lose.
I was at another college game tonight, so I recorded the UVA/Memphis game. I'm going to try to watch it in a few, but the lack of rebounding seems par for the course. UVA gives up way too many rebounds and way too many easy buckets inside. NIL has totally killed the way UVA operates. ...Or not necessarily NIL, but UVA's seemingly lack of desire to keep up with game's elite.
“If we don’t play well, we can lose.”
Truly, marvelous insight from the self-proclaimed basketball genius.
Will we also lose if we score fewer points than our opponent?
You dont get it. It means that we arent so much more talented than these ACC teams where we can show up, go through the motions and win. These arent NEC teams or Horizon League teams. We make fun of them but all of them can beat us if we dont play well so its not some absolute guarantee we go 13-7. If we shoot 4-26 from 3 one night, we'll lose.
I love it when people point out how silly your viewpoint is the best that you can come back with is something along the lines of "you don't get it".
If the ACC is bad and yet we can't have a really good record against those bad teams then we shouldn't be complaining when we are on the bubble. Or worse.
Again, this is not the profound insight you think it is.
Nobody has claimed this is a team loaded with future all-NBA talent that can sleepwalk through games and still win. So yeah, play bad and you may lose. Shocker!
Syracuse down 30 vs Maryland. They need to end the Adrian Autry era. They have money. Go get Nate Oats, Bruce Pearl, Mick Cronin, someone like that. You are supposed to be a quasi-blue blood
VT also being blown out by the Lunardi's. They once made huge waves hiring Buzz from a much better program. They need to try that again
VT also being blown out by the Lunardi's. They once made huge waves hiring Buzz from a much better program. They need to try that again
Buzz didn't do a lot at VaTech. He went to one Sweet 16. His best finish in the ACC was 5th. Granted, those were days when the ACC was a much stronger conference, but I don't know if I'd call that huge waves.
Sone of these ACC coaches would look a little better if their schools invested in better talent. It's going to be damn near impossible to pry a big-name coach away from a program where they are already making big money, and the boosters are paying out the ass for talent.
I think Syracuse can do that. They actually have ticket revenue and are always one of the most profitable programs. They need to step up. You need to kick the cans on some of those SEC coaches.
At least Miss State blew out Memphis at Memphis. Makes Pitt loss seem like a one off for Pitt as Memphis has like 4 Q1 wins.
They get big attendance because the citizens go there to get warm. Many of them bring binoculars because the seats are too high.
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