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Saw a social media post from a PSU blog site that said Allar will be the far and away #1 QB next year and also the #1 pick in the draft. This was not satirical. I have never seen a player who has brought out completely opposite opinions. Some feel he is a #1 pick and future Hall of Famer. Some feel he isnt even a P4 caliber starter. It's insane. Plenty of PSU fans would rather have Beau Pribila and plenty think he's the next Mahomes.

Would you take him over Eli Holstein? I honestly wouldn't. Scale of 1 to 10. Allar is a 5. Definition of mediocre college QB. Lucked out having Warren and 2 big-time RB's.
 
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I don't know.....I think he has all the tools and very much Josh Allen/Roethlisbergerish. I think he continues to grow into the position and is one guy who will be a better pro than college player.
 
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He's so inconsistent. He makes some throws that are seriously impressive then looks like he started playing the position yesterday at other times. He's needs to redshirt for a year or two in the NFL and get a lot of work from a QB coach before he ever plays, but someone will probably take him super high off potential, trot him out there way too early, and he'll wash out.
 
He looks great when he can stand in the pocket with no pressure on him. He had a pretty good offensive line this year that was not challenged most games. He also had a great running game with two backs that are very good. The problem was that he couldn't perform in big games. Whenever he was pressured he did not respond well. The interception against ND was a bad throw in response to pressure. Having said that, other than Warren, he had Pitt caliber receivers which is Franklin's fault. So, to me, the jury is still out on him. I will say I don't see him turning into something special at the next level, and I wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on him because he hasn't shown he can handle pressure well.
 
BigChungus90210 said:
He's so inconsistent. He makes some throws that are seriously impressive then looks like he started playing the position yesterday at other times. He's needs to redshirt for a year or two in the NFL and get a lot of work from a QB coach before he ever plays, but someone will probably take him super high off potential, trot him out there way too early, and he'll wash out.
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Probably yes. Someone will take him 5th overall based on what he does at the combine. Starting QB by Week 10. Stinks up the joint and is never heard from again. Realistically, he's a 3rd/4th/5th Rounder who MIGHT be ready by age 25 or 26 but teams take all these questionable-ass quarterbacks so damn early and want them to be a HOF'er by Year 2 that they end up washing out as you said.
 
Allar has prototypical size and a solid arm, but his accuracy is a bit scattered and he struggles when pressured. I don't know what he runs, but he plays slow when it's not a designed run and doesn't create much out of structure.
 
Burgh15 said:
Allar has prototypical size and a solid arm, but his accuracy is a bit scattered and he struggles when pressured. I don't know what he runs, but he plays slow when it's not a designed run and doesn't create much out of structure.
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It would scare the crap out of me that 10 of his 12 regular season games every year are against teams that his team is exponentially more talented than.
 
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I don't know. I didn't watch many of his games this year, but I watched the Ohio State game, which was a piss poor statistical game for him.

Dude seemed to have pretty good pocket awareness, good touch (if a little risky on his loftier throws), and made some pretty quick reads.

His receivers were absolutely smothered by the defensive backs all game, something that happened again against Notre Dame. He did look worse during that playoff game though, constantly trying to put too much touch on balls that should have had a bit more behind them.

If he has another year like this year though, he's going first round.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Saw a social media post from a PSU blog site that said Allar will be the far and away #1 QB next year and also the #1 pick in the draft. This was not satirical. I have never seen a player who has brought out completely opposite opinions. Some feel he is a #1 pick and future Hall of Famer. Some feel he isnt even a P4 caliber starter. It's insane. Plenty of PSU fans would rather have Beau Pribila and plenty think he's the next Mahomes.

Would you take him over Eli Holstein? I honestly wouldn't. Scale of 1 to 10. Allar is a 5. Definition of mediocre college QB. Lucked out having Warren and 2 big-time RB's.
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He improved greatly this past year. Prior to this past year he was below average. He is now a pretty good college QB. Too early to tell how good Eli really is.

As I said, Allar has improved greatly, but unless he improves greatly again, he is not going to be the best QB or the number one draft next season.
 
pittdan77 said:
If you're an NFL team, are you going to get the Drew Allar from PSU's first twelve games or the Drew Allar from the last four? How do you convince anyone that a guy can lead an NFL team that struggled against Boise State?
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I guess I haven't seen him enough to formulate a great opinion one way or the other. But he seems like the guy who has the tools but doesn't really master the position. And then the fans say, "Ehhhh, I don't know." But the QB-hungry NFL franchises say, "Tools, tools, tools!" And then the fans usually end up being right. Although in fairness, most QBs bust out so you'll be right more often than not if you predict someone won't become a very good NFL starting QB.

Nonetheless, I can't really thing of many current top tier non-system-reliant NFL QBs who didn't have some "special" element to their game in college. Like, maybe Hurts and Purdy weren't special, but they also have very good players/systems around them that make them look a lot better than they would had they just been drafted by some bad team and thrown to the wolves.
 
pittdan77 said:
If you're an NFL team, are you going to get the Drew Allar from PSU's first twelve games or the Drew Allar from the last four? How do you convince anyone that a guy can lead an NFL team that struggled against Boise State?
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Because you can't coach up physical traits. Anthony Richardson and Will Levis are just two examples of QBs way overdrafted for this reason.
 
TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
I guess I haven't seen him enough to formulate a great opinion one way or the other. But he seems like the guy who has the tools but doesn't really master the position. And then the fans say, "Ehhhh, I don't know." But the QB-hungry NFL franchises say, "Tools, tools, tools!" And then the fans usually end up being right. Although in fairness, most QBs bust out so you'll be right more often than not if you predict someone won't become a very good NFL starting QB.

Nonetheless, I can't really thing of many current top tier non-system-reliant NFL QBs who didn't have some "special" element to their game in college. Like, maybe Hurts and Purdy weren't special, but they also have very good players/systems around them that make them look a lot better than they would had they just been drafted by some bad team and thrown to the wolves.
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Not sure when QB's will learn that PSU doesn't do them any favors. Always want to run first. Schedule doesn't feature a ton of elite talent in the secondary. Seem to prefer to throw to TE's in their offense. I don't know. Their QB's aren't bad and some do contribute in the NFL but you really don't see their QB's evolve. They sort of are what they are.
 
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Burgh15 said:
Because you can't coach up physical traits. Anthony Richardson and Will Levis are just two examples of QBs way overdrafted for this reason.
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It's early to make pronouncements on either of those guys but I understand what you're saying. Sometimes it's about knowing how to get the most out of a player or coaching to the player. NFL doesn't like to do that, though.
 
pittdan77 said:
Not sure when QB's will learn that PSU doesn't do them any favors. Always want to run first. Schedule doesn't feature a ton of elite talent in the secondary. Seem to prefer to throw to TE's in their offense. I don't know. Their QB's aren't bad and some do contribute in the NFL but you really don't see their QB's evolve. They sort of are what they are.
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I don't know much about this new OC's style, but I don't think Daniels was putting up gaudy passing stats at Kansas so the run-first philosophy seems about right. I do wonder if at least some of their passing game struggles are attributable to the fact that it seems like they're really struggling to find good receiving play.
 
Bethlehemjohn said:
He improved greatly this past year. Prior to this past year he was below average. He is now a pretty good college QB. Too early to tell how good Eli really is.

As I said, Allar has improved greatly, but unless he improves greatly again, he is not going to be the best QB or the number one draft next season.
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He did improve but the fear is that 10 out of 12 weeks, the other 10 guys he plays with on offense are better significantly better than the 11 guys on defense. I think this is a problem in the development of young quarterbacks and why you see more "regular school" quarterbacks make really good NFL QB's instead of the blue blood guys. It's too easy for the blue blood QBs in college. They aren't "learning" because the guys they play with are so much better.
 
TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
I don't know much about this new OC's style, but I don't think Daniels was putting up gaudy passing stats at Kansas so the run-first philosophy seems about right. I do wonder if at least some of their passing game struggles are attributable to the fact that it seems like they're really struggling to find good receiving play.
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He was OC at Oklahoma State when they were running circles around everyone. You'd think he'd know how to run a passing game. Not bad for a former PSAC QB.
 
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He did improve but the fear is that 10 out of 12 weeks, the other 10 guys he plays with on offense are better significantly better than the 11 guys on defense. I think this is a problem in the development of young quarterbacks and why you see more "regular school" quarterbacks make really good NFL QB's instead of the blue blood guys. It's too easy for the blue blood QBs in college. They aren't "learning" because the guys they play with are so much better.
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You'll probably see even less blue blood QBs in the league now, because they're all in "win now" mode, which lately seems to involve getting some veteran QB who is "college good" but is sticking around because he likely doesn't have a high-end NFL future.

Will Howard, DJU, Dillon Gabriel, perhaps Quinn Ewers this coming season, Carson Beck, Sam Hartman, Riley Leonard... they'll take those solid guys who don't make a lot of mistakes (well, maybe minus DJU) and utilize the talent around them as opposed to wasting a $20M roster on a young QB who is still developing/making mistakes while wanting to play hero ball.
 
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TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
You'll probably see even less blue blood QBs in the league now, because they're all in "win now" mode, which lately seems to involve getting some veteran QB who is "college good" but is sticking around because he likely doesn't have a high-end NFL future.

Will Howard, DJU, Dillon Gabriel, perhaps Quinn Ewers this coming season, Carson Beck, Sam Hartman, Riley Leonard... they'll take those solid guys who don't make a lot of mistakes and utilize the talent around them as opposed to wasting a $20M roster on a young QB who is still developing/making mistakes while wanting to play hero ball.
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And that's why Tennessee giving Nico all that money or Portnoy buying Underwood is so stupid. I'd rather have a vet like Will Howard or Sam Hartman.
 
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And that's why Tennessee giving Nico all that money or Portnoy buying Underwood is so stupid. I'd rather have a vet like Will Howard or Sam Hartman.
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I don't mind giving a high recruit money if you can afford him plus a more efficient veteran, the likes of the aforementioned. Cause if the recruit develops into a stud then you're really ahead of the pack. But it's a fine line to toggle, because those guys want to play. You might get away with it that first year, but if they're not playing by year two they're most likely gone. Not a lot of guys would do the Arch Manning thing.
 
TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
I don't mind giving a high recruit money if you can afford him plus a more efficient veteran, the likes of the aforementioned. Cause if the recruit develops into a stud then you're really ahead of the pack. But it's a fine line to toggle, because those guys want to play. You might get away with it that first year, but if they're not playing by year two they're most likely gone. Not a lot of guys would do the Arch Manning thing.
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I cant believe Arch Manning volunteered to be a waterboy for 2 years. Really stupid. Should have played football for 2 years then transferred to Texas. Not sure you ever see someone do that ever again
 
Can someone explain to me why Allar is any better of a prospect than Kenny Pickett , who could actually compete passes to receivers ?
 
PittPharm2002 said:
Can someone explain to me why Allar is any better of a prospect than Kenny Pickett , who could actually compete passes to receivers ?
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But to answer more seriously, if you took him right now vs Pickett when he entered the draft then he probably isn't. But at this point in his career compared to Kenny at the same point..Both were Juniors entering their 2nd season as starters.

But let's look at how they progressed. Allar has been a starter for two seasons.
495-783 , 63.2% , 5,958 Yards , 49 TDs , 10 INTs , 7.6 Y/A , 145.2 Passer Rating

Kenny in his first two seasons as a starter.
469-779 , 60.2% , 5,067 Yards , 25 TDs , 15 INTs , 6.5 Y/a , 121.6 Passer Rating
 
CJsE said:
But to answer more seriously, if you took him right now vs Pickett when he entered the draft then he probably isn't. But at this point in his career compared to Kenny at the same point..Both were Juniors entering their 2nd season as starters.

But let's look at how they progressed. Allar has been a starter for two seasons.
495-783 , 63.2% , 5,958 Yards , 49 TDs , 10 INTs , 7.6 Y/A , 145.2 Passer Rating

Kenny in his first two seasons as a starter.
469-779 , 60.2% , 5,067 Yards , 25 TDs , 15 INTs , 6.5 Y/a , 121.6 Passer Rating
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In addition to only being 20 years old and having better arm strength. I don't get how people don't comprehend that projection and production both matter.

I'm still not incredibly high on him, but I can certainly see the appeal. NFL teams have taken flyers on worse.
 
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