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[Upg bobcat]

Let me ask you this? Where the bleeping hell are you getting this from? That is one of the worst takes ever on this board and there has been alot of them. He goes through coaches like most people go through socks.

Yeah I mean I have no basis for it other than what I observe on gameday. His coaches never seem to out scheme anyone. If PSU has more talent than an opponent, they'll win. If they don't, they'll lose. Their coaches can't seem to make the difference. Maybe Knowles can be a difference maker given his track record.

Also, I don't think PSU is known for having "tough" teams under Franklin, either, as his teams seem unable to rise to the occasion against the best opponents when their backs are against the wall. That makes me think he doesn't run his program like a drill sargeant.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Yeah I mean I have no basis for it other than what I observe on gameday. His coaches never seem to out scheme anyone. If PSU has more talent than an opponent, they'll win. If they don't, they'll lose. Their coaches can't seem to make the difference. Maybe Knowles can be a difference maker given his track record.

Also, I don't think PSU is known for having "tough" teams under Franklin, either, as his teams seem unable to rise to the occasion against the best opponents when their backs are against the wall. That makes me think he doesn't run his program like a drill sargeant.

Why do Pitt fans do this? If Franklin had the same success he has had at Penn State we would be planning a statue. You don't have to like the guy, but overall he has elevated that program as the best its been since the early mid 90's.

 

[Upg bobcat]

Why do Pitt fans do this? If Franklin had the same success he has had at Penn State we would be planning a statue. You don't have to like the guy, but overall he has elevated that program as the best its been since the early mid 90's.

Listen, Franklin's success speaks for himself. But Franklin strikes me a little bit like Wannstedt. Great recruiter and can assemble a talented team to put on the field. But coaching issues resulted in a ceiling that he couldn't break through, coaching issues for whatever reason. With Wannstedt, it seemed like he at least in part had lack of discipline-related issues, so maybe I am unfairly viewing Franklin in similar light.

I am also jealous PSU hired Knowles -- as a defensive coordinator, his most recent track record rivals, maybe surpasses, Narduzzi's. PSU might be able to get over the hump with the coordinators they have in place. Knowles seemed to have solved Oregon at least in OSU's second go round with them.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

But Franklin strikes me a little bit like Wannstedt. Great recruiter and can assemble a talented team to put on the field.

Wanny was not a great recruiter.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Wanny was not a great recruiter.

His record is proof of that

 

[Jeffburgh]

Clearly? The kid isn't even a good P4 QB. Talk to some PSU fans. Many think he sucks and want him replaced. He has a 0.0% shot to be a good NFL starter. It's a complete waste of a 1st Round pick. And I hate the WR excuse. They had an elite running game and elite TE that teams had to account for.

None of all that changes the math ...

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[Slick Manager of Champs]

I am also jealous PSU hired Knowles -- as a defensive coordinator, his most recent track record rivals, maybe surpasses, Narduzzi's. PSU might be able to get over the hump with the coordinators they have in place. Knowles seemed to have solved Oregon at least in OSU's second go round with them.

the nitters are "all-in" this year, to quote McAfee. $3 million for a coordinator, and hiring him away from the defending national champ? That's some SEC level sh$$. This might be the make or break year for Franklin. Early polls are putting them at #1. They probably lose again at OSU, but doesn't really matter as they are a shoe-in for playoffs. So if they don't win it all, both sides might have had enough at that point.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Listen, Franklin's success speaks for himself. But Franklin strikes me a little bit like Wannstedt. Great recruiter and can assemble a talented team to put on the field. But coaching issues resulted in a ceiling that he couldn't break through, coaching issues for whatever reason. With Wannstedt, it seemed like he at least in part had lack of discipline-related issues, so maybe I am unfairly viewing Franklin in similar light.

I am also jealous PSU hired Knowles -- as a defensive coordinator, his most recent track record rivals, maybe surpasses, Narduzzi's. PSU might be able to get over the hump with the coordinators they have in place. Knowles seemed to have solved Oregon at least in OSU's second go round with them.

Yeah Franklin is a horrible game day coach. Famously so. Sort of like Mike Tomlin.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

horrible game day coach

"game day coach" is the worst blanket statement to describe a coach.

90% of all adjustments are usually done Sunday thru Friday in college football.

So - if you're a poor "gameday coach", you're a poor coach - period.

 

[Upg bobcat]

Wanny was not a great recruiter.

Sure on the national scene Wanny's recruiting couldn't compare with top big 10 or SEC teams. But if you view in relative terms, Wanny recruited probably similar to Franklin. Good enough to beat 80-90% of the teams you play in your conference, and good enough to give yourself a decent chance against the other 10-20%. But with his recruiting, Franklin has only won the Big 10 once. Wanny's best was a 3 way tie for first in the Big East.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

"game day coach" is the worst blanket statement to describe a coach.

90% of all adjustments are usually done Sunday thru Friday in college football.

So - if you're a poor "gameday coach", you're a poor coach - period.

Decisions. When to call a TO. When to go for it on 4th. Clock management. Challenges. Decisions. Details. Not exactly game plan stuff.

Though the fact that the Steelers had zero TDs on the opening drive, they allowed more points than anyone else in the first quarter and been outscored 131-14 in the 1st quarter of their last 6 playoff games (one of whjch was a defensive TD) doesn't speak well to great coaching and gameplans now does it?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Listen, Franklin's success speaks for himself. But Franklin strikes me a little bit like Wannstedt. Great recruiter and can assemble a talented team to put on the field. But coaching issues resulted in a ceiling that he couldn't break through, coaching issues for whatever reason. With Wannstedt, it seemed like he at least in part had lack of discipline-related issues, so maybe I am unfairly viewing Franklin in similar light.

I am also jealous PSU hired Knowles -- as a defensive coordinator, his most recent track record rivals, maybe surpasses, Narduzzi's. PSU might be able to get over the hump with the coordinators they have in place. Knowles seemed to have solved Oregon at least in OSU's second go round with them.

Saw something on Knowles where the analyst said something like PSU's defense has always been good so this doesn't really do much. It's symbolic. It's telling recruits and donors that you want to win a NC now so pay up. We've done our part now send in the money so we can buy some players.

I'm not sure how much better PSU's defense can realistically get. The 10 girls teams they play haven't been able to score on them in decades. Can they beat OSU and Oregon 20-17?

 

[Upg bobcat]

Saw something on Knowles where the analyst said something like PSU's defense has always been good so this doesn't really do much. It's symbolic. It's telling recruits and donors that you want to win a NC now so pay up. We've done our part now send in the money so we can buy some players.

I'm not sure how much better PSU's defense can realistically get. The 10 girls teams they play haven't been able to score on them in decades. Can they beat OSU and Oregon 20-17?

That's a good point, although Knowles could offer an improvement albeit limited. Maybe they can't beat Oregon 20-17, but could they beat them 17-14?

Pressure is definitely more so on Kotelnicki. Will he flame out like Yurcich? I think PSU likes what they saw from him last year for the most part. It's still baffling how they can't get a WR to be a big contributor.

 

[Burgh15]

None of all that changes the math ...

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If you look at last year's QB rankings compared to now it looks a lot different. Where's Carson Beck? He was at one time expected to be the top QB available. These sites are definitely projecting a lot of growth because if Allar was there right now he would've went to the NFL.

I've seen draft analysts say that Ward and Sanders may not have been in the top 6 QBs of last year's draft and apparently Allar currently isn't ahead of either one. Even if he was close he was probably a lock to be a top-10 draft pick this year.

 

[InDuzzwetrust]

I don't know.....I think he has all the tools and very much Josh Allen/Roethlisbergerish. I think he continues to grow into the position and is one guy who will be a better pro than college player.

I see the same. He’d be a great Pitt QB. We hate because he wears the Nits uniform.

 

[joefromlancaster]

Maybe allat is a 3-4 rounder after the scouts at the combine see how emotional he can be.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

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That site is dubious at best. It has Elliot Donald as draft pick from Pitt and Jordan Bass also. I think it is just looking at old recruiting ratings for the most part.

 

[Jeffburgh]

That site is dubious at best. It has Elliot Donald as draft pick from Pitt and Jordan Bass also. I think it is just looking at old recruiting ratings for the most part.

There were two sites.

Not the only ones.

Walter, a long standing site, he's the 10th pick.

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Mel Kiper seems to think he's a top 10 candidate

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Again I see some of the same questions people have w him, but (he's not Barkley good) this is like that old Barkley post, people here can't be objective w PSU.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

There were two sites.

Not the only ones.

Walter, a long standing site, he's the 10th pick.

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Mel Kiper seems to think he's a top 10 candidate

Mel Kiper Jr. weighs in on if Penn State's Drew Allar is a top-5 pick

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Again I see some of the same questions people have w him, but (he's not Barkley good) this is like that old Barkley post, people here can't be objective w PSU.

I said Barkley was one of the best college RB's I've ever seen and a future HOF'er. I also said Will Levis was terrible. Right on those 2. And I'll be right on Allar. He's a combine QB. He isnt good at playing real football unless he's playing against girls, which, luckily he gets to do 10 weeks per year. Absolutely 0 chance he ever develops into even an average NFL QB.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

He isnt good at playing real football unless he's playing against girls, which, luckily he gets to do 10 weeks per year.

Were you saying the same thing about KP while in college?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Were you saying the same thing about KP while in college?

Kenny was never at the offensive advantage that Allar is in every week. Yes, he did have Addison and maybe we discounted how much Addison meant to his success. But for 10 weeks, Allar has 10 guys who are better than every player they go against on defense and significantly so.

Look at the QB's in the NFL. How many are blue blood QB's? There's a reason for that. It's too easy in college. They aren't learning. Manholes, Purdy, Allen, Lamar Jackson, etc had to deal with stuff. Allar just sits back there for 20 seconds while his boys get open against girls.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

But for 10 weeks, Allar has 10 guys who are better than every player they go against on defense and significantly so.

You seriously don't watch nor understand what you're watching. PSU's WR's are the definition of pedestrian.

Look at the QB's in the NFL. How many are blue blood QB's?

Joe Burrow - LSU
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma
Sam Darnold - USC
Justin Herbert - Oregon
Kyler Murray - Oklahoma
Matthew Stafford - Georgia
CJ Stroud - OSU
Jayden Daniels - LSU
Caleb Williams - USC
Jalen Hurts - Oklahoma/Alabama
Tua Tagovailoa - Alabama
Bryce Young - Alabama
Jameis Winston - FSU
Trevor Lawerence - Clemson
Anthony Richardson - Florida
Justin Fields - OSU
Deshaun Watson - Clemson
Mac Jones - Alabama

shall I continue?

 

[pittchagg]

Kenny was never at the offensive advantage that Allar is in every week. Yes, he did have Addison and maybe we discounted how much Addison meant to his success. But for 10 weeks, Allar has 10 guys who are better than every player they go against on defense and significantly so.

Look at the QB's in the NFL. How many are blue blood QB's? There's a reason for that. It's too easy in college. They aren't learning. Manholes, Purdy, Allen, Lamar Jackson, etc had to deal with stuff. Allar just sits back there for 20 seconds while his boys get open against girls.

Penn State’s wide receivers were significantly worse than Pitt’s were, they were probably the worst unit in the Big Ten and one of the worst in the P4. They balanced it out by having the big freakazoid tight end and some running backs that could catch out of the backfield, but the receivers were legitimately terrible.