Alliance 412 completes $1m fundraising campaign

[ratking17]

Don't forget spotlight pa which also has been completely stonewalled in trying to find where thon monies go

 

[JD1976]

Alliance 412 is not a charity at all and has never pretended to be. It is a private, limited liability company that is completely independent of the university. it clearly states any contributions or membership fees are not tax deductible.

Whether its solicitations for memberships and contributions are in any way misleading regarding what intends to do with any money is up to the individual. As far as I am aware, no one who is a member seems to be complaining or unaware of the stated purpose or feels that they were misled.

I do love how the cultists are still so bent out of shape when one of their sacred cows is criticized that they'll crawl out from under their dank rocks to vomit forth the most ridiculous false equivalencies which only the most brain washed and/or stupid of individuals would try to defend. It is especially hilarious that this particular sacred cow has had numerous exposes published by multiple news organizations going back to Sarah Ganim a decade ago, who subsequently received death threats for daring to ask the same questions.

So opaque is Four Diamonds, which is entirely controlled by Penn State, that the Patriot News won't even include it on their list of notable charities. There are no audited financial reports, no filed 990s, no rankings from charity monitoring websites: only an annual unaudited fluff piece brochure they were embarrassed into producing by Ganim.

I relish the opportunity provided by cultists to remind people what a completely icky, incestuous institution Penn State is simply by opening the opportunity to directly link the words of actual journalists and Four Diamond's very own materials. Sure, if you are okay with 88 cents of every dollar that ends up at Four Diamonds via Thon, having been celebrated as having been given to help kids and their families fight cancer, being plowed into endowment funds and institution building mechanisms solely benefiting Penn State's medical center, with no independent oversight, it is your money to do what you will. Just don't obfuscate what it is primarily supporting behind populist, feel good "for the kids" slogans.

You opinion on this matter is as biased as that guy that has been posting about Joey Porter Jr. If THON was a Pitt charity you wouldn’t say boo about anything. I’m a Pitt sports fan, but also recognize something good when I see it— even if it comes from PSU.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

but also recognize something good when I see it— even if it comes from PSU.

If it is so good why does Penn State feel the need to lie about it on such a consistent basis?

 

[PittPharm2002]

You opinion on this matter is as biased as that guy that has been posting about Joey Porter Jr. If THON was a Pitt charity you wouldn’t say boo about anything. I’m a Pitt sports fan, but also recognize something good when I see it— even if it comes from PSU.

What is the good thing ?
That “money for kids “ really means “for PSU research funding “?

Buddy , PSU kids lying about what Thon is for is not a “good thing “

 

[JD1976]

What is the good thing ?
That “money for kids “ really means “for PSU research funding “?

Buddy , PSU kids lying about what Thon is for is not a “good thing “

Ok but Four Diamonds is nearly 50 years old. Largely because of THON and all of the money raised, South Central PA now has a first-class medical center in Hershey that allows PA children to be treated near their homes. That’s not for nothing. You guys hate Paterno so much that you can’t see the good.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Ok but Four Diamonds is nearly 50 years old. Largely because of THON and all of the money raised, South Central PA now has a first-class medical center in Hershey that allows PA children to be treated near their homes. That’s not for nothing. You guys hate Paterno so much that you can’t see the good.

Again, if what they are doing is so good why do they feel the need to lie and obfuscate? Why not shout from the rooftops what all the money is for and where it is going?

 

[PittPharm2002]

Ok but Four Diamonds is nearly 50 years old. Largely because of THON and all of the money raised, South Central PA now has a first-class medical center in Hershey that allows PA children to be treated near their homes. That’s not for nothing. You guys hate Paterno so much that you can’t see the good.

They don’t
Anyone who needs real care is going to Philly or pittsburgh

But thanks for admitting thon is a bait and switch by design

 

[CrazyPaco]

You opinion on this matter is as biased as that guy that has been posting about Joey Porter Jr. If THON was a Pitt charity you wouldn’t say boo about anything. I’m a Pitt sports fan, but also recognize something good when I see it— even if it comes from PSU.

LMFAO. That's all you have to say about clearly documented issues? Whataboutism about completely non-comparable things. Screaming that facts you don't like must be biased!!! Fine, why don't you email the authors of all the linked articles and tell them all how much they're biased? Why don't you threaten them like all the other THON cultists whenever someone questions the use of funds or lack of transparencey?

LMFAO, you're the one that brought the subject up in a completely non-related thread.

You want to support pediatric patients in Western PA, give to the Pittsburgh Children's Free Care fund where every dollar goes to where they advertise it to go to Here's their annual independently audited financial statedment. Here's their federal 990. Here's their Charity Navigator listing.

Want to give to Penn State Hershey? Then give here. It's the same as giving to THON without the middle men like Four Diamonds that have none of the above independent reports or filings.

 

[pafootballguy]

Here is a simple solution, post your contribution to 412 and what percentage of your net worth that is, and then everyone can decide if you are worth listening to.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

$1m in 2 months. Not a bad start.

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Sure beats giving money to starving children.

 

[DaveTrout]

LMFAO. That's all you have to say about clearly documented issues? Whataboutism about completely non-comparable things. Screaming that facts you don't like must be biased!!! Fine, why don't you email the authors of all the linked articles and tell them all how much they're biased? Why don't you threaten them like all the other THON cultists whenever someone questions the use of funds or lack of transparencey?

LMFAO, you're the one that brought the subject up in a completely non-related thread.

You want to support pediatric patients in Western PA, give to the Pittsburgh Children's Free Care fund where every dollar goes to where they advertise it to go to Here's their annual independently audited financial statedment. Here's their federal 990. Here's their Charity Navigator listing.

Want to give to Penn State Hershey? Then give here. It's the same as giving to THON without the middle men like Four Diamonds that have none of the above independent reports or filings.

Ouch!

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

The 412 Alliance isn’t promising to care for children with life threatening illnesses, what they do with their money is 100% their business . Hopefully they use it as the donors intend them to do .

Exactly. Those kids aren’t nearly as important as good football players

 

[CrazyPaco]

Exactly. Those kids aren’t nearly as important as good football players

Those kids also aren't as important as having the latest car, iphone, Apple watch, sneakers, bottle of alcohol, hockey jersey, whatever clothing accessory.... Really, there is an endless list of non-essentials you can add there. I'm assuming you gave everyone on your holiday shopping list a charitable contribution in their name to your favorite children's charity.

I love false equivalencies. The domain of the dull.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Exactly. Those kids aren’t nearly as important as good football players

You do realize that people are allowed to allocate the money they wish to give away anyway they choose .

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Those kids also aren't as important as having the latest car, iphone, Apple watch, sneakers, bottle of alcohol, hockey jersey, whatever clothing accessory.... Really, there is an endless list of non-essentials you can add there. I'm assuming you gave everyone on your holiday shopping list a charitable contribution in their name to your favorite children's charity.

I love false equivalencies. The domain of the dull.

Tell me about my finances more. Also, you give more false equivalencies. I hope it makes you feel better to donate to the wealthy. You certainly brag about it enough

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

You do realize that people are allowed to allocate the money they wish to give away anyway they choose .

Where did I say they couldn’t?

 

[CrazyPaco]

Tell me about my finances more. Also, you give more false equivalencies. I hope it makes you feel better to donate to the wealthy. You certainly brag about it enough

LMFAO. Another straw man. I didn't say a thing about your finances. I said you are a dullard that makes false equivalencies like the moron above.

Please show me anywhere where I, or anyone else, described Alliance 412 as a charity. I'll wait.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

LMFAO, another dullard. I didn't say a thing about your finances. I said you are a dullard that makes false equivalencies like the moron above.

Please show me anywhere where I, or anyone else, described Alliance 412 as a charity. I'll wait.

What does it being a charity have to do with anything? In fact, that makes it even worse.

You are awfully offended. Seems like a guilty conscience.

 

[CrazyPaco]

What does it being a charity have to do with anything? In fact, that makes it even worse.

You are awfully offended. Seems like a guilty conscience.

It has everything to do with it, because you are DIRECTLY comparing Alliance 412 LLC, with a stated non-charitable purpose of paying Pitt athletes, to a non-profit cancer charity for kids.

You seem to be assuming a dollar spent on Alliance 412 is a zero sum game which hurts the charitable causes that you have apparently decided to be worthy.

If you go with the zero sum hypothesis, which seems to be the only way to interpret your above posts, then spending money on anything... consumer products, services, travel, or events ...should be similarly judged to your moral rank of worthwhile expenditures. Only your own self introspection can help decide the level of hypocrisy that might be involved in the conditions set by your above statements.

If people want to help the Alliance 412 collective buy better athletes to try to help Pitt win, then by all means, they should knock themselves out by putting their own hard earned money into it. If they don't want to spend their money on that, than they certainly don't have to, and there are a lot good reasons to not want to be part of the whole NIL deal. But those individuals definitely need to STFU about those that do put their money in, particularly on a message board devoted to fans of Pitt athletics and epecially because, based on their self-declared fandom, their apparent willingness to enjoy the fruits of other people's spending.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

It has everything to do with it, because you are DIRECTLY comparing Alliance 412 LLC, with a stated non-charitable purpose of paying Pitt athletes, to a non-profit cancer charity for kids.

You seem to be assuming a dollar spent on Alliance 412 is a zero sum game which hurts the charitable causes that you have apparently decided to be worthy.

If you go with the zero sum hypothesis, which seems to be the only way to interpret your above posts, then spending money on anything... consumer products, services, travel, or events ...compared to your moral rank of charities, should be judged similarly. Only your own self introspection can help decide the level of hypocricy that might be involved in the conditions set by your above statements.

If people want to help the Alliance 412 collective buy better athletes to try to help Pitt win, then by all means, they should knock themselves out by putting their own hard earned money into it. If they don't want to spend their money on that, than they certainly don't have to, and there are a lot good reason to not want to be part of the whole NIL deal. But those individuals definitely need to STFU about those that do put their money in, particularly on a message board deveoted to fans of Pitt athletics and epecially because, based on their self-declared fandom, apparently willing to enjoy the fruits of other people's spending.

I am comparing it to money given to one and not another. Don’t try to over think it.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Hopefully they give it all to Meleek Thomas 🏀. We can suck another year at football without paying decent NIL.

This is honestly the most logical post of yours ever

 

[JD1976]

It has everything to do with it, because you are DIRECTLY comparing Alliance 412 LLC, with a stated non-charitable purpose of paying Pitt athletes, to a non-profit cancer charity for kids.

You seem to be assuming a dollar spent on Alliance 412 is a zero sum game which hurts the charitable causes that you have apparently decided to be worthy.

If you go with the zero sum hypothesis, which seems to be the only way to interpret your above posts, then spending money on anything... consumer products, services, travel, or events ...should be similarly judged to your moral rank of worthwhile expenditures. Only your own self introspection can help decide the level of hypocrisy that might be involved in the conditions set by your above statements.

If people want to help the Alliance 412 collective buy better athletes to try to help Pitt win, then by all means, they should knock themselves out by putting their own hard earned money into it. If they don't want to spend their money on that, than they certainly don't have to, and there are a lot good reasons to not want to be part of the whole NIL deal. But those individuals definitely need to STFU about those that do put their money in, particularly on a message board devoted to fans of Pitt athletics and epecially because, based on their self-declared fandom, their apparent willingness to enjoy the fruits of other people's spending.

It’s in neon, bright lights how jealous you are that your precious University doesn’t make headlines like Penn State. Just admit it.

 

[DaveTrout]

It’s in neon, bright lights how jealous you are that your precious University doesn’t make headlines like Penn State. Just admit it.

I'll be eternally grateful if Pitt never makes headlines like Penn State.

 

[TitoBeagle]

I am no SMF fan, but his sentiment is accurate. In terms of NIL money, $1 million is nothing in the grand scheme of things for a team, let alone a whole athletic department (numerous Pitt teams will split this). Even if it was football alone, that is still peanuts compared to what 20ish so schools (I know it is not the school itself, but you know what I am saying) are paying out to just a few football players let alone the whole team. Yet people want me to get excited because Pitt has $1 million in 2 months to split among football, men's basketball and I am assuming women's basketball, and maybe even a volleyball player or something just as absurd?

That is tough to get excited about. Before you ask, I did not, nor do I plan on contributing to the fund as it is throwing good money at bad money. Pitt will never fundraise in a way to compete truly. My charitable money is much better going to Vets, Cancer, and Kids causes, rather than to help pay to acquire the 50th best QB to go to Pitt for a year, you realize it is a yearly "salary" right? If they succeed beyond that "salary", and become the 10th best QB, unlike the NFL where they are locked in a contract for X years (generally 3-4 years), you need to come up with way more money to keep them. That is how silly NIL is.

Federal Taxes are for Vets Kids and cancer.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I'll be eternally grateful if Pitt never makes headlines like Penn State.

Thank you