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Another quote from Dave Wannstedt on Steve Pederson

Cavanaugh is a good NFL quarterback coach and offensive coordinator. He never figured out how to simplify things when he didn't have good quarterbacks after Palko left. Asking Pat Bostick to roll out to the left and throw right type shit was insane. The good thing he did the 13-9 year was using "the wildcat" with Shady. Sometimes it's the only way we moved the ball with Bostick and Kevan Smith's struggles.
 
Cavanaugh is a good NFL quarterback coach and offensive coordinator. He never figured out how to simplify things when he didn't have good quarterbacks after Palko left. Asking Pat Bostick to roll out to the left and throw right type shit was insane. The good thing he did the 13-9 year was using "the wildcat" with Shady. Sometimes it's the only way we moved the ball with Bostick and Kevan Smith's struggles.

The evidence suggests that he is not a good offensive coordinator. He is too conservative in his QB instruction as well.
 
Most fans have issues with their team's AD, but seldom do you see such loathing from ex-coaches and other insiders as you see with Pederson. What a douche.

I loved how he was dismissed the minute that Chryst was announced as the new Wisky coach. No way he was going to be allowed to make the next hire.
I know exactly where I was and how I reacted when that news broke.
 
Two guys who have nothing to do with basketball or football coaches
If it wasn’t for Mark Nordenberg, Pitt probably would have dropped from Div I football.
If it wasn’t for Mark Nordenberg, the University would have stopped subsiding the athletic department deficit to the tune of up to 10 million as he did for most of his tenure.
There may not have ever been a more athletics friendly chancellor at Pitt than Nordenberg. This is not my opinion. It is the opinion of folks very high in the Pitt world.
 
Paco and Souf, thanks for your comments about Nordenberg. Let me throw my hat into that ring as well. To begin with, I agree with all the comments about Pederson. My view is that of a donor and also someone who was in sales his entire career. It's easy to pick out the disingenuous types or more simply stated, the phonies. The best thing about Pederson was he was smart enough to put his wife out front. She is a gem. I never could understand how Pederson could get hired, not once but twice. Was that a mistake by Nordenberg? On the face of it, yes. What we don't know was who convinced Nordenberg to make that choice. I sincerely doubt he made that decision on his own. He is way too smart a man. It pains me to read the comments on here villifying Nordenberg. What a gem of a guy. He wrote me personal notes of thanks, went out of his way to meet my family at sporting events and, yes, did one helluva job as Pitt's chancellor. Pitt is by far a better institution because of him.
 
Cavanaugh was an absolutely poor Coach here at pitt. I don’t care if he was good elsewhere, at pitt, it was a failure. From recruiting to working with the qbs to system, all around bad.

if he had success elsewhere, that makes it even worse from a pitt perspective.
 
Cavanaugh was an absolutely poor Coach here at pitt. I don’t care if he was good elsewhere, at pitt, it was a failure. From recruiting to working with the qbs to system, all around bad.

if he had success elsewhere, that makes it even worse from a pitt perspective.
He wasn't very good elsewhere. When with the Ravens the offense was so vanilla that Billick threatened or may have taken away play-calling duties from Cavanaugh. I guess Matt's saving grace was he did place a third-round grade on Tom Brady.
 
I talked to Dave Wannstedt at length for the 13-9 series/book, and he gave me a lot of great quotes. One bit he gave me that didn't make it into the book was this little anecdote:

“Mark Nordenberg called me on Tuesday of that week and I remember sitting at my desk and he said, ‘Dave, let me ask you a question.’ And he said, ‘What do you know about Steve Pederson?’ I said, ‘I’ve met him, I don’t know him that well but everything I’ve heard about him is bad.’ That was my exact quote. And there was silence on the phone. They were holding the press conference two days later.”

I thought you guys might appreciate that.

god I hate pederson
 
Cavanaugh was an absolutely poor Coach here at pitt. I don’t care if he was good elsewhere, at pitt, it was a failure. From recruiting to working with the qbs to system, all around bad.

if he had success elsewhere, that makes it even worse from a pitt perspective.
He QBd a National Championship team. he gets a pass from me.
 
His job is government relations. He's chair of Pitt's Institute of Politics. He still attends more Pitt sporting events than many on this board, as he is a bigger fan, and and certainly more knowledgeable about college athletics, than many on these boards.
He’s so knowledgeable that he gave his best bud a golden parachute on his way out and left it up to Gallagher to fire Steve. I call that unethical and gutless. But give the guy credit, he knows how the game is played.
 
If Wanny named Cignetti as the OC originally instead of Cavvy, then we would have won a lot more games.

I agree, but at the same time I cannot blame him for hiring Cav originally. We cannot use hindsight when we talk about it. The fact of the matter was Cav was the other finalist for the HC position and most Pitt fans were thrilled we were able to get him as our OC at the time. It wasn't until a year or 2 when most fans soured on him. It would have been great to have had cignetti instead but at the time most fans would have bitched.
 
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You realize Pitt's hands were effectively tied because the state legislature conditioned the state-related schools' appropriations on them not providing those benefits. It really had nothing to do with Pitt's actual stand on the issue, one way or the other.

Nordenberg was an excellent chancellor, and also great for Pitt athletics, which is why there are multiple things dedicated and named after him on campus and he will absolutely go down in university history as one of the best chancellors in the school's history. People that actually understand and know the university, know what he brought to it. Those that can't acknowledge that are just flat out ignorant. That said, his extension of Pederson on his way out was absolutely one of his worst decisions, at least via the optics of it, and really was indefensible. But the truth is that no one has any idea what Pederson's actual severance package was. His last 5-year contract was to run through this year (2017-18), but he dropped off of Pitt's 990 filings the very next year after he was fired (unlikely other highly compensated athletic employees that have remained on it years after) so it suggests his contract wasn't set up to receive full value at termination. In other words, it is unlikely that he received a "golden parachute".
If he was so great, what explains letting the Olympic facilities languish for so long. Pitt still doesn’t have an outdoor track. Still plays in 70 year old buildings.

Why did pitt perform so poorly year after year in the directors cup

Why is pitt football so mediocre.

Why is sports so heavily subsidized by the university

Why one of the lowest revenues in all P5

Great for sports? My ass.
 
You realize Pitt's hands were effectively tied because the state legislature conditioned the state-related schools' appropriations on them not providing those benefits. It really had nothing to do with Pitt's actual stand on the issue, one way or the other.

Nordenberg was an excellent chancellor, and also great for Pitt athletics, which is why there are multiple things dedicated and named after him on campus and he will absolutely go down in university history as one of the best chancellors in the school's history. People that actually understand and know the university, know what he brought to it. Those that can't acknowledge that are just flat out ignorant. That said, his extension of Pederson on his way out was absolutely one of his worst decisions, at least via the optics of it, and really was indefensible. But the truth is that no one has any idea what Pederson's actual severance package was. His last 5-year contract was to run through this year (2017-18), but he dropped off of Pitt's 990 filings the very next year after he was fired (unlikely other highly compensated athletic employees that have remained on it years after) so it suggests his contract wasn't set up to receive full value at termination. In other words, it is unlikely that he received a "golden parachute".
Ok. It may not have been golden. It was silver. Still a very poor decision.
 
If he was so great, what explains letting the Olympic facilities languish for so long. Pitt still doesn’t have an outdoor track. Still plays in 70 year old buildings.

Why did pitt perform so poorly year after year in the directors cup

Why is pitt football so mediocre.

Why is sports so heavily subsidized by the university

Why one of the lowest revenues in all P5

Great for sports? My ass.
Why didn’t Pitt alums and fans step up to the plate to provide money that was desperately needed to renovate Pitt Stadium during the 80’s and 90’s?
 
Pitt is very fortunate IMO to have had back-to-back chancellors of the quality of Nordenberg and Gallagher. It takes time to build institutional strength, and Pitt (as an institution) has never been stronger as it is now with what has been built over the last 20 years. I think the same is true athletically, provided that we weather the Covid storm (as much as any other school is, at least).
 
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I talked to Dave Wannstedt at length for the 13-9 series/book, and he gave me a lot of great quotes. One bit he gave me that didn't make it into the book was this little anecdote:

“Mark Nordenberg called me on Tuesday of that week and I remember sitting at my desk and he said, ‘Dave, let me ask you a question.’ And he said, ‘What do you know about Steve Pederson?’ I said, ‘I’ve met him, I don’t know him that well but everything I’ve heard about him is bad.’ That was my exact quote. And there was silence on the phone. They were holding the press conference two days later.”

I thought you guys might appreciate that.
Doesn't make much sense to me. It was Nordenberg who hired Pederson the first go around. So why would he need Wannstedt's opinion to hire him a second time? Nordenberg knew Pederson better than Wannstedt did.
Was Nordenberg ever asked about this quote from Wannstedt, to confirm or deny it?
 
Doesn't make much sense to me. It was Nordenberg who hired Pederson the first go around. So why would he need Wannstedt's opinion to hire him a second time? Nordenberg knew Pederson better than Wannstedt did.
Was Nordenberg ever asked about this quote from Wannstedt, to confirm or deny it?
nordenberg. The guy you praise. Made a horrible hiring decision. An epic bad one. Yet he built such a great front porch. Not. And now collects salary from some made up position at Pitt? Just leave it to the academic eggheads at pitt to run a business. Just leave it to a public school run by bureaucrats filled with politics and nepotism. I really need the name of your drug company.
 
If he was so great, what explains letting the Olympic facilities languish for so long. Pitt still doesn’t have an outdoor track. Still plays in 70 year old buildings.

Why did pitt perform so poorly year after year in the directors cup

Why is pitt football so mediocre.

Why is sports so heavily subsidized by the university

Why one of the lowest revenues in all P5

Great for sports? My ass.

Because pitt fans are cheap?
 
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Doesn't make much sense to me. It was Nordenberg who hired Pederson the first go around. So why would he need Wannstedt's opinion to hire him a second time? Nordenberg knew Pederson better than Wannstedt did.
Was Nordenberg ever asked about this quote from Wannstedt, to confirm or deny it?

Because you misinterpret the story. Nordy wasn't asking Dave his opinion. He was telling Dave that Steve was coming back, and since Nordy was so disconnected from sports reality, he expected Dave to respond with "Wow! The great SP is coming back. We are so fortunate!"
 
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Because pitt fans are cheap?
And what makes them cheap. Maybe an administration that is all hat and no cattle when it comes to that front porch. Talk is cheap. Pitt fans don’t throw good money after bad. Nerdball has no business acumen and his knowledge of sports is not past the 6th grade level. I truly feel sorry for those who think he’s some sports savant. Including you Paco. Go back to your chemistry set.
 
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A couple things...

Nordy was great for Pitt but believed strongly in being fiscally responsible, often to the detriment of athletics. The approach worked very well for the University as a whole, but it also moved us off campus in football, a move that you’d struggle to find someone willing to do today, and had us in poor facilities in general. We missed some opportunities to support coaches when we had the chance, and now we’re trying to get back to where we were in some cases.

Gallagher is a strong proponent of athletics and we’re spending like we never have, the problem is that doesn’t guarantee success and the distance between the haves and the have nots has grown every year.
 
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