Anyone believe CV was instructed
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this loss will go down in history, i just hope someone that is a millionaire loses there job because of it.
you guys think cignetti even cares ? he brought jurkovec to pitt.
Going down in bounds is standard today and we see players do it every week. Players will give pass on touchdowns that would seal games to get down to run the clock. I think it's just one of those standard end-of-game procedures they're instructed to do now without looking at every situation.
Yes. The players reacted favorably by the obvious first down and CV was instructed to stay in bounds and slide to the sticks. If the coaches say otherwise or say that CV has some learning to do in those situations, they're liars. They called the play.
He did nothing wrong.
The conference orders its refs to favor some teams and screw others.
Look at the FSU and Duke game. Same thing happened. FSU was ranked higher than Duke. It’s better for the ACC (and for whining FSU) if FSU wins more than Duke (which really couldn’t care less about football despite a rare decent season). So it was called correctly.
In our game, Wake had a slight advantage having a slightly better record. We’re going nowhere. Plus, if there is a tie breaker, it’s to favor “Old ACC” vs “ New ACC”. Thus, the bad Veilleux call; not to mention all the other ones that gave WF it’s 75% advantage in overall officiating.
College football is a product of Ron Cooks foul bowels and rigged officiating is just one reason why
The conference orders its refs to favor some teams and screw others.
Look at the FSU and Duke game. Same thing happened. FSU was ranked higher than Duke. It’s better for the ACC (and for whining FSU) if FSU wins more than Duke (which really couldn’t care less about football despite a rare decent season). So it was called correctly.
In our game, Wake had a slight advantage having a slightly better record. We’re going nowhere. Plus, if there is a tie breaker, it’s to favor “Old ACC” vs “ New ACC”. Thus, the bad Veilleux call; not to mention all the other ones that gave WF it’s 75% advantage in overall officiating.
College football is a product of Ron Cooks foul bowels and rigged officiating is just one reason why
No, it wouldn't have, because Wake had all of their timeouts left. If we would have just taken a knee three times at the beginning of the possession we would have been punting with about 55 seconds on the clock.
I can’t blame CV. I think the kid has some upside to be positive about despite being coached by a virtual moron
Too much has been made about the slide when what led up to the slide (blowhard franks offensive offense) and the awful kick and defense afterwards wee as much or more responsible for this epically awful Pitt loss
Too much has been made about the slide when what led up to the slide (blowhard franks offensive offense) and the awful kick and defense afterwards wee as much or more responsible for this epically awful Pitt loss
We could have ran the ball on 2nd down and caused them to use one more. They almost certainly wouldn't have had time to score a touchdown at the end if we did. I don't hate throwing it in that instance, but I'd rather see a run/pass option where the QB just takes a sack if the easy completion isn't there.
And then I was thinking the clock was going to start on the whistle after our pre-snap penalty on offense. But maybe it's just a 10-second runoff that the defense can elect to decline. Either way, that was huge and effectively gave them another timeout.
Of course - that's late game Football 101. No team trying to run out the clock is told to go out of bounds to stop the clock - that's nonsensical.
I hope so... that is what most coaches teach. Obviously no one taught him to go down before the sticks.
I'll simply ask, how do you think that was done? How much instruction could they possibly signal in?
This is all silliness. The kid made a mistake, it's that simple.
Signals? How much info do you think these guys bring in through substitution?
I guess Whipple's come to the sidelines for the play from the OC would have been beneficial in this instance?
Unless CV is mentally challenged, I don't think he was instructed to do anything. Get to the sticks & hang on to the ball. At that point in the game, nothing else mattered.
With over 2:10 left on the clock, UVA had a penalty on their first down play when the clock was running. After announcing the penalty decision, the officials held up starting the clock until the ball was snapped for the next play. Provided UNC with close to an additional 0:25 of time for their last drive attempt.
Wake had two timeouts AFTER the 3rd down play. When the possession started, which is what the post that I was responding to was talking about, Wake had all three timeouts left.
The fact that you cannot wrap your mind around the fact, and it is a fact, that if Veilleux had just stepped out of bounds a yard beyond the first down marker that the game would have been over, no matter how many times people have tried to explain it to you, does not speak well.
You know, yesterday during the Stiller game after the refs gave the Stillers that first down at the end I happened to have ESPN up on my computer to look at game stats, and it said that the Stillers had a 99.9% chance to win the game.
And I thought, well yeah, they have to account for the 0.1% that is Mario Cristobal.
Nobody is coached to step out of bounds when they are killing clock. You always hear…GET DOWN…not go out of bounds. Just idiotic!
Doesn't matter at that point. The only thing that matters is picking up the first down. It's all victory formation after that, regardless of whether he goes out of bounds or not.
If you have a choice between going out of bounds that will guarantee you will win the game, or not go out of bounds and take a chance that you could lose the game you go out of bounds every single time.
The fact that you can't understand the simple concept that getting a first down meant that the clock was killed is, indeed, idiotic.
I truly believed that did happen. That is one of the "new things" that coaches have discovered. It can work in the right situation, this was not the right situation. One of his coaches on the sideline said that to him and it was a dumb thing to have said considering the game situation at the time.
Unfortunately this is true as our coaches were too stupid to realize that a 1st down ends the game even if you run out of bounds. He should have been instructed to pick up the 1st down by any means even if it meant staying in bounds. Staying in bounds was meaningless if he got the 1st. Narduzzi still doesn't realize this as he said this at the presser today:
"The kid was being smart. He wanted to stay in bounds so I give him that." NOOOOOOOOO! You dont have to stay in bounds if you get the 1st. How do they still not know this?
You guys think they used a carrier pigeon to deliver detailed instructions to the QB. Maybe they sent him a text and he was secretly carrying his phone in his pocket.
The lengths some of you go to in order to make shit up is outstanding. It makes no sense, but you sure try hard.
The lengths some of you go to in order to make shit up is outstanding. It makes no sense, but you sure try hard.
Your statement I responded to was influence the game. That timing decision influenced the game being played. UNC’s inability to take advantage of additional time made the result what it is.
A simple concept is - PLAYERS ARE NOT COACHED TO GO OUT OF BOUNDS IN A CLOCK KILLING SITUATION...NEVER!! What is so freakin' complicated about that? You tell him to go out of bounds and he comes up short - what happens then? You guys would be on here talking about how dumb he was for going out of bounds. It's easy to say go out of bounds after the fact.
how?
I mean the kid was literally looking at the first down marker, and thought he slide right after it. Again, by the rule, and definition of a slide, he had the first down.
Naturally, you are taught to get down after you get the first down. He did that
Its not a clock killing situation. Its a 1st down getting situation. A 1st down wins the game. You tell him to get the yardage by any means. There was absolutely no need, in that situation to stay in bounds and Narduzzi still doesnt realize this.
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