Anyone believe CV was instructed
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Are you serious right now?!! "It's not a clock killing situation" - you have exceeded your nonsensical BS...and for you that's hard to do.
Its just inanely deciding, because they dislike the coach, that it must be the coaches fault for any or all errors a team makes.
I guess Narduzzi should also teach the refs what the definition of a slide is???
The discussion was about refs influencing the outcome to favor the southern teams or the teams with the best chance to help the conference. I thought everyone would understand the context was influencing the outcome. Obviously, I was wrong and I need to spell it out for those unable to follow the thread.
Are you trying to claim the FSU call changed the actual outcome of their game in their favor? If not, then you are just admitting FSU took advantage of a favorable official ruling that had an impact to some degree.
UNC just didn’t take advantage of a favorable ruling this past weekend.
In that well loved 13-9 game from awhile back, WVU did not take advantage of favorable rulings. Did those rulings have an impact on the game?
I am not making that claim. I have no idea what happened in that game. I didn't watch it.
But the overall point was that FSU got the benefit of the call as the allegedly "favored" team ... and they ultimately won.
WTF are you talking about?
For the specific play on Saturday, there was no need to "tell" the QB anything, assuming he has the slightest bit of intelligence. He needs to stay in bounds if the play is not going to pick up the first down. Other than that, nobody cares if he stays in bounds or runs out of bounds. A Pitt first down and the game is over, unless Duzz pulls a Cristobal.
Man, every time someone says players are not coached to go OB in a clock killing situation it reminds me of 2 years ago……2 things that prevented us from having a real good chance of making the BCS playoffs…KP missing an open Addison for a TD against Miami and instead throwing an INT…..and an Auburn RB running OB instead of falling down to seal a would-be W over Bama. Heck, that same play allowed Bryce Young to pull off his late game heroics and cement the Heisman over KP or other candidate.
Hey, it all further reminds me of one of Bill Cowher’s favorite lines…it’s a fine line between winning and losing. So true…sometimes.
If you're the team with the ball and the lead - why would that be coached to go out of bounds? The QB made an instinctive play that's been ingrained in him since police league ball.
Because the rules are different now than 100 years ago or even 1975. As a QB you should NOT slide to stay in bounds. It's a new rule that allows a QB to give himself up to avoid unnecessary contact. But you give up field position because you are down the moment you indicate you are going to slide. So as a QB if you want to keep clock rolling dive forward, fall down or even kneel. Even going out of bounds but getting first would have been better because after two QB kneel downs with timeouts and a full 40 seconds after 3rd down victory formation (which also didn't exist in 1975) QB kneel down there would be like 2-4 second before you had to snap 4th down. And with that amount of time all you have to do is punt it out of bounds or have your kicker run off time and kneel himself. You could even take a safety and then kick ball out of bounds. Only bad option there was not getting a first down because you slid when you didn't need too.
Again the issue isn't that he tried to stay in bounds. Its that he slid when it wasn't necessary and actually ended up being detrimental. I keep hearing about the old days. In the old days a QB would never have slid at all to stay in bounds so that itself is irrelevant. QBs slide now because they are allowed to do so to avoid contact so that's all see these days. Old days qbs would run to contact and fight for every yard because game was different then. He clearly did NOT know (coaches fault for a variety reasons from not practicing it much because he was a backup until a couple of weeks ago, to the team never practicing end game situations) or just forgot and wanted to get down quickly so he could celebrate a win that ended up never actually happening. I blame the coaches over the kids. And no I don't expect them to tell him in the moment. But it should be something every QB should know and go over all the time in practice. Don't slide if you are trying to make a first down. You are giving up unnecessary yards when you don't need too. Especially when no one is near you.
Someone just mentioned in a thread where the Auburn running back went out of bounds that cost them a win against Alabama - this ain't about football in 1975 - this is about football awareness TODAY!!
You always here coaches say GET DOWN and you always see runners slide before they go out of bounds. To suggest that he should have went out is classic Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Doesn't matter if he stays in or goes out
I think it's entirely plausible that CV thought he picked up the 1st down before he slid.
You keep making statements that at least insinuate there is a cause/effect relationship to the incorrect call and the outcome of the FSU game.
You brought up the UNC game asking why that wasn’t influenced. I just mentioned there was a favorable ruling.
Unfortunately, the highly ranked teams do seem to benefit from favorable to blatantly incorrect decisions way more often than be disadvantaged by them. Not all of the favorable ones mean that is the reason they won.
Texas or Washington would be a good example where an incorrect ruling very may well have impacted the outcome of a highly ranked team.
Dude, you must be thinking of someone else. The only I even mentioned FSU was replying to your off-base point.
And yet in the Arizona State - Washington game the team that got the benefit of the doubt on a spot on a quarterback slide play late in the game was the team that only had one win, not the team that has a chance to make the playoff.
The Auburn situation was completely different situation. Others players can slide because rules are different for them. I’ve already said it’s ok to stay in bounds just don’t slide if your the QB. But in this situation going out of bounds didn’t matter and avoided the refs taking the first down and game away from you.
Question - did you know the rule was going to be applied the way it was prior to it being called Saturday?
Yes, and I'm not just saying that. I saw this happen in another game a while back. I can't remember who and when but its happened before. It wasn't on a critical play like this but it was on 3rd down and the offensive team had to punt. So the moment he slid I was like "oh no!" especially since the ref immediately started to walk to place it short. That's why I'm insanely going on about it the past few days because I knew the moment he slid it was a mistake that could hurt us. Of course I still had hope we could hold them even after bad punt. But this is Pitt so course everything that had to happen did happen for us to lose. I can't believe it but I can.
Now I'm not saying I'm an expert but if I knew the rule they should know it. At least the coaching staff.
Now if I was the coach I would went for on 4th down after anyway. Chances are a QB sneak gets it the yard you need and I think refs would have given a generous spot. And if not your defense should be able to hold a short field and force a game tying FG that also isn't a given in college anyway. But I understand punting and expecting your defense to hold to a FG at best. That part just didn't work out. But again it shouldn't have gotten to that. But I do understand your point that kids are hopped up in the moment and playing on instinct. So I would never blame the player. I wouldn't blame the coaches either if they didn't already have a long track record of just awful in game management and decision making. I think Duzz is a great coach in many ways. But not in that area.
Dude. In post #9 of this thread you quoted a post with a complaint about the FSU game and asked why wasn't the UNC game influenced? It went from there, it isn't tough to follow.
Yep, you're right. I called the reference to the FSU game BS. Funny how you ignored that part.
Do you think anything late in the game matched this officials decision as far as impact?
Perhaps you missed it, but several of us were talking about that call earlier this week.
Perhaps in other threads, then yes. In this thread, the first description of a specific play in that game referenced a favoring call towards ASU.
This is probably the answer right here.
As a matter of fact didn't Duzz say if he goes head 1st, this isn't a discussion?
Because in this thread we are talking about slide plays near the first down marker. And in the Arizona State - Washington game that call went in favor of Arizona State.
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