Are There Any More Negative PSU Cult On Their Own Alma Mater & Big Ten , LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Wow, did Paterno teach them how to attack any one at anytime and even after Penn state Football Program Paterno Era Scandal came back on Paterno not under Institutional Control and required Sanctions and many 2012 Reforms, the PSU CULTists keep attacking Big Ten Coaches, Programs, Recruits, Players, and Universities???

Look at This Headline Link:
Excerpt:
Thankfully, Meyer denied the accusations and I believe he's telling the truth.
"Absolutely not, and that's the first time I've heard that," Meyer told reporters in regards to the allegations. "I'll address that with Coach Franklin if that is an issue. That's a pretty strong allegation that I've not heard yet. So that's not been presented to me until this moment. Absolutely not."
No doubt, Urban Meyer will go to great lengths to in order to lure star athletes to Ohio State, but I will never believe any coach would use the most disgusting, despicable scandal in college football history as a cooked-up scare tactic to land a recruit. If Penn State coach James Franklin has proof of this then let's hear it. If he doesn't it, he owes Urban Meyer a massive apology.
LINK:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...penn-state-jerry-sandusky-20160731-story.html

Then Look at this Link:
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...andusky-scandal-in-recruiting-tactics.132388/

Guilty as charged by headline, but Sandusky is innocence even if convicted by a PSU Alumni Majority Jury?

Boy, I wish sometimes Pitt was in the Big Ten for geographical reasons to play PSU, Michigan, MSU, OSU, UMD, and RU and to get more money.

Yet, thanks to Paterno's own negative recruiting and hating Pitt by ending the series, and the lying about wanting Pitt in the Big Ten, one can see why his legacy was ruined by his misdeeds? Even as the Penn State Football Paterno Era Culture had to be reformed under Sanctions?

I am glad Pitt is in the ACC and feel sorry for B1G Coaches & Programs that have to put up with these few PSU Paterno Cultists Fans!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Philadelphia Responds To Franklin & Barbour In Addition To Miami:
Article, Excerpts, Link:
Smallwood:
Penn State has some nerve complaining about negative recruiting: What did Penn State think was going to happen after the football program became embroiled in a scandal involving sexually deviant acts against children? Did Athletic Director Sandy Barbour and football coach James Franklin truly believe that the Jerry Sandusky child abuse case that took down longtime coach Joe Paterno, school president Graham Spanier and a host of others would not be used against the Nittany Lions in recruiting?

If the circumstances were not so tragic, it would be almost comical that Barbour and Franklin would have the gall to cry injustice during the Big Ten Football Media Days............
..........“I would hope particularly within our own conference that we would be honorable.” Honorable? A month ago, Franklin told the Reading Eagle that Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Ohio State were using the Sandusky scandal as a negative recruiting mechanism. OSU coach Urban Meyer and Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio both denied that when asked on Tuesday.

Franklin later told Fox Sports that Ohio State and Michigan State were not the schools he meant even though he flagged them in the Reading Eagle. “There is one other particular school,” Franklin said, "but I didn’t name who that was.” Does that mean that Michigan and Notre Dame are also not the “particular school” because Franklin named them along with Ohio State and Michigan State? His vagaries certainly give the impression he was talking about one of those two schools.

Franklin said he did not name the particular program, which means he in effect is negatively recruiting against Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Ohio State by recklessly associating them with a complaint about negative recruiting against Penn State.

The bottom line to all of this is that negative recruiting has always been part of college football. To some degree, every school does it – even Penn State. The only limitation to the potential negativity is how much ammunition a program provides to be used against it.

Penn State football has certainly stuffed the opposing cannons.

Franklin, however, knew this when he accepted the PSU position in 2014. Did he truly believe that a child sex abuse scandal was not a stigma he would have to confront? Nobody is shedding tears for him. If some school is bad-mouthing Penn State to recruits, it is Franklin’s job to promote his program as the right one for those players – not make excuses for why he can’t do it.
LINK:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...ve-complaining-about-negative-recruiting.html

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The reason why Penn State has Negative Recruiting is James Franklin's comments, behavior, and his inability to stand up and just be a Great Coach. Clearly, Newspapers that once supported Franklin now are planting seeds of pressure questioning his own liabilities in handing the Powerful PSU Program against B1G Proven Powerful Programs and Coaches that won't forget too soon how Franklin made bold statements then ran away on Big Ten Media Day?

Here is another article that reveals why Recruits are smart to wait and others are still visiting other Schools even with verbals. Last year, Franklin lost some verbals and he had real difficulty to attract Top recruits in the closing weeks. This Article reveals that James Franklin first has been confused on the Sidelines Coaching and now has translated to Recruiting.

Franklin actually ran from Big Ten Media Days other Coaches after getting caught in some very questionable accusations he could not back up. Much like his Coaching can't back up his Winning the last 2 years.

It gets worse Franklin now blames Penn State University dealing with the Penn State Football Paterno Era Program Scandal for it still lingering around PSU. This is why he is not a favorite anymore at Old Main, just as I posted at the end of last season.

Article, Excerpts & Link:
Whodunnit? Negative recruiting tactics irk Penn State:
CHICAGO — Make no mistake. Penn State is not happy with some of the things other schools are saying about the Nittany Lions on the recruiting trail…………What’s in dispute is exactly who is saying it. For her part, Barbour wouldn’t give any names or say how many schools are involved, answering multiple questions about it with, “We’ll handle it internally.”……..………At the root of Tuesday’s mini-drama, perhaps, is an interview Lions coach James Franklin did with the Reading Eagle earlier this summer. Asked where he saw his program in 2018, Franklin answered by mentioning the challenges of dealing with the ongoing legal battle around the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

“The people we’re competing with — Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame — this is just not something they have to deal with,” Franklin said in June. “Although we want to move on, those other schools are not letting us move on.”…………Meyer was more forceful in his response.“Absolutely not,” Meyer said. “That’s the first time I’ve heard of that. I’ll address that with Coach Franklin if that is an issue. That’s a pretty strong allegation. That has not been presented to me until this moment. Absolutely not. “We do just fine in recruiting to not worry about that stuff.”

Franklin’s time on stage was Monday and he did not speak with the assembled media again on Tuesday. He did, however, give a comment to FOX Sports shortly after Meyer spoke……………..“I never said that any of those schools are the ones doing the negative recruiting against us. They’re not. There is one other particular school, but I didn’t name who that was.” And on goes the carousel. It’s not an issue that figures to go away any time soon. Any time Jerry Sandusky or Joe Paterno pop up in the news, there’s a new round of fires for Penn State coaches to put out……………. Regardless of who may be the culprit(s), there remained an insinuation that this is happening within the Big Ten. Barbour responded to the phrase “no honor among thieves” when it comes to recruiting. “Well, you’ve used the right word. It’s around honor,” Barbour said. “And I would hope particularly within our own conference that we would be honorable. But we’ll compete on the field.”

Link:https://timesleader.com/top-stories/569199/whodunnit-negative-recruiting-tactics-irk-penn-state
https://timesleader.com/top-stories/569199/whodunnit-negative-recruiting-tactics-irk-penn-state

 

[aged_wolverine]

The reason why Penn State has Negative Recruiting is James Franklin's comments, behavior, and his inability to stand up and just be a Great Coach. Clearly, Newspapers that once supported Franklin now are planting seeds of pressure questioning his own liabilities in handing the Powerful PSU Program against B1G Proven Powerful Programs and Coaches that won't forget too soon how Franklin made bold statements then ran away on Big Ten Media Day?

Here is another article that reveals why Recruits are smart to wait and others are still visiting other Schools even with verbals. Last year, Franklin lost some verbals and he had real difficulty to attract Top recruits in the closing weeks. This Article reveals that James Franklin first has been confused on the Sidelines Coaching and now has translated to Recruiting.

Franklin actually ran from Big Ten Media Days other Coaches after getting caught in some very questionable accusations he could not back up. Much like his Coaching can't back up his Winning the last 2 years.

It gets worse Franklin now blames Penn State University dealing with the Penn State Football Paterno Era Program Scandal for it still lingering around PSU. This is why he is not a favorite anymore at Old Main, just as I posted at the end of last season.

Article, Excerpts & Link:
Whodunnit? Negative recruiting tactics irk Penn State:
CHICAGO — Make no mistake. Penn State is not happy with some of the things other schools are saying about the Nittany Lions on the recruiting trail…………What’s in dispute is exactly who is saying it. For her part, Barbour wouldn’t give any names or say how many schools are involved, answering multiple questions about it with, “We’ll handle it internally.”……..………At the root of Tuesday’s mini-drama, perhaps, is an interview Lions coach James Franklin did with the Reading Eagle earlier this summer. Asked where he saw his program in 2018, Franklin answered by mentioning the challenges of dealing with the ongoing legal battle around the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

“The people we’re competing with — Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame — this is just not something they have to deal with,” Franklin said in June. “Although we want to move on, those other schools are not letting us move on.”…………Meyer was more forceful in his response.“Absolutely not,” Meyer said. “That’s the first time I’ve heard of that. I’ll address that with Coach Franklin if that is an issue. That’s a pretty strong allegation. That has not been presented to me until this moment. Absolutely not. “We do just fine in recruiting to not worry about that stuff.”

Franklin’s time on stage was Monday and he did not speak with the assembled media again on Tuesday. He did, however, give a comment to FOX Sports shortly after Meyer spoke……………..“I never said that any of those schools are the ones doing the negative recruiting against us. They’re not. There is one other particular school, but I didn’t name who that was.” And on goes the carousel. It’s not an issue that figures to go away any time soon. Any time Jerry Sandusky or Joe Paterno pop up in the news, there’s a new round of fires for Penn State coaches to put out……………. Regardless of who may be the culprit(s), there remained an insinuation that this is happening within the Big Ten. Barbour responded to the phrase “no honor among thieves” when it comes to recruiting. “Well, you’ve used the right word. It’s around honor,” Barbour said. “And I would hope particularly within our own conference that we would be honorable. But we’ll compete on the field.”

Link:
https://timesleader.com/top-stories/569199/whodunnit-negative-recruiting-tactics-irk-penn-state

I have told ya Cap, I got the expired pizza coupons to throw in so as to make it a fair trade. Any advantages PSU has over Pitt is negated by their bat shit insane fan base. Which is sad...my only experience with a PSU grad was working at his phone refurb shop, and the dude was alright. His wife as well(she was also a grad IIRC).


When Michigan won the title in 97, you know I didn't rub it in. heh


Actually played in a fantasy football league with them one yr. Never join a bidding for players league when the people you are going up against have deeper pockets than you do.

 

[Saboteur]

Competing with whom for what?
PSU in engaging in self flattery.
They are an odd lot.

 

[kybuckeye2]

Yeah, the whacko PSU fans make it hard to keep this a friendly rivalry. I spent two years on BWI trying to talk sense into them, but it always got thrown back in my face. So now I just laugh at their misfortune. Screw 'em...I hope every team (especially in the B1G) beats them royally. I have lost all respect for them whatsoever.

 

[Hailpitt]

I know a lot of rational psu fans. Unfortunately I also know a lot of irrational ones (they fit the profile of the typical BWIposter) also. The rational ones understand that, in the end, Jo Pa was a phony and that his so-called "success with honor" was complete BS (most of my rational psu alum friends admitted this before the scandal--lol they would joke about the fact that the entire team was composed of Parks and Rec majors).
The irrational ones (for reference go read the multiple jo pa is GOD threads on BWI) seem to have lost part of their identity when Jo Pa was exposed as a fraud. No longer could they hold themselves out as "exceptional" when their carnival barker coach (jo pa) was not who he held himself out to be. Sad and pitiful!

 

[Consultant Panther]

I know a lot of rational psu fans. Unfortunately I also know a lot of irrational ones (they fit the profile of the typical BWIposter) also. The rational ones understand that, in the end, Jo Pa was a phony and that his so-called "success with honor" was complete BS (most of my rational psu alum friends admitted this before the scandal--lol they would joke about the fact that the entire team was composed of Parks and Rec majors).
The irrational ones (for reference go read the multiple jo pa is GOD threads on BWI) seem to have lost part of their identity when Jo Pa was exposed as a fraud. No longer could they hold themselves out as "exceptional" when their carnival barker coach (jo pa) was not who he held himself out to be. Sad and pitiful!

I'm surrounded by Penn State fans where I live. I have found very few (almost none) of them to be of the rational variety. The vast majority of them are very much cultists. It's hard for me to understand how so many people can be so irrational. In my experience "rational Penn State fan" is an oxymoron.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

="aged_wolverine, post: 1452989, member: 2694"]I have told ya Cap, I got the expired pizza coupons to throw in so as to make it a fair trade. Any advantages PSU has over Pitt is negated by their bat shit insane fan base. Which is sad...my only experience with a PSU grad was working at his phone refurb shop, and the dude was alright. His wife as well(she was also a grad IIRC).
No question the Penn State Fan Base is undercut and embarrassed by the PSU Cultist every day. However, now PSU Head Coach James Franklin is has three Pennsylvania Newspapers report, is embarrassing Penn State and the Big Ten Coaches and Teams.

When Michigan won the title in 97, you know I didn't rub it in. heh
To be fair, I felt Michigan deserved to share with Nebraska that NCS, and so did Penn State in 1994!

Actually played in a fantasy football league with them one yr. Never join a bidding for players league when the people you are going up against have deeper pockets than you do.
I did well at NFL Fantasy one year but took up too much time!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I'm surrounded by Penn State fans where I live. I have found very few (almost none) of them to be of the rational variety. The vast majority of them are very much cultists. It's hard for me to understand how so many people can be so irrational. In my experience "rational Penn State fan" is an oxymoron.

They are holding onto the Paterno Era Legacy that actually betrayed them, but they don't see it that way. When Paterno became bigger than Penn State he made terrible judgments and his Brother Wrote him a Letter telling him so and Joe had no control over him at Penn State in later years. it took Crimes on children to remove him, and now the Penn State 2012 Reforms out in to change the Culture of Penn State Football is being used as an excuse for Franklin losing, by Franklin of all people?

There is a deal being worked out by Ira and Lubrano, I'll post it later.

 

[pittdan77]

If anyone actually believes that negative recruiting is hurting PSU (even if it really is happening), you've got a screw loose. Jimmy is struggling and probably knows he's in for another season of fourth place in his own division. He's easy to explain.

Sandy is much more disgusting. She's marketing the program by playing the victim here. When you think about it, makes you ill.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Competing with whom for what?
PSU in engaging in self flattery.
They are an odd lot.

Ever since Penn State joined and was welcomed by many in the Big Ten, the PSU Posters trashed Pitt all over Rivals, but today the Big Ten Fans hate Penn State and respect Pitt far more.

However, now that Franklin has joined Penn State blaming Big Ten Coaches for his Losing and Negative Recruiting, Big Ten Coaches no longer respect Penn State either?

Why Franklin has no Extension and that Internal Solution Barbour is talking about is about getting rid of Franklin if he can't beat the Big Ten Coaches he was trashing!

 

[9nationalchampionships]

In the cult's defense, Paturdo put on a great facade regarding his character and years later when it was discovered what a POS he was it was too late for the naive cult mass to understand or accept.

 

[pittdan77]

In the cult's defense, Paturdo put on a great facade regarding his character and years later when it was discovered what a POS he was it was too late for the naive cult mass to understand or accept.

Well, more than that, he convinced them that losing to the only good teams they played most seasons wasn't so bad. Threw a kid or two under the bus occasionally but always played down expectations.

Jimmy has done quite the opposite. Playing victim fits into the entire narrative these days.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

If anyone actually believes that negative recruiting is hurting PSU (even if it really is happening), you've got a screw loose. Jimmy is struggling and probably knows he's in for another season of fourth place in his own division. He's easy to explain.

Sandy is much more disgusting. She's marketing the program by playing the victim here. When you think about it, makes you ill.

I know you follow PSU like i do, and you are fair about them too.

Got Big News from a little Birdie on why Lubrano A9 accepted Ira as PSU Trustee Chairman and have a link that will confirm what my long ears have heard. I am waiting for a second confirmation. Changes at PSU may not be limited to Franklin?

I was spot on with my Info last year on Franklin and Old Main distrusts, but this bigger news and I'll wait to release it when I confirm and then choose the right time to do it.

And most know me here on the Lair I always try to post what I hear and honest about it, and the link will confirm support it's authentication.

 

[pittdan77]

Ever since Penn State joined and was welcomed by many in the Big Ten, the PSU Posters trashed Pitt all over Rivals, but today the Big Ten Fans hate Penn State and respect Pitt far more.

However, now that Franklin has joined Penn State blaming Big Ten Coaches for his Losing and Negative Recruiting, Big Ten Coaches no longer respect Penn State either?

Why Franklin has no Extension and that Internal Solution Barbour is talking about is about getting rid of Franklin if he can't beat the Big Ten Coaches he was trashing!

B1G fans never really embraced PSU. Was always sort of a weird marriage but I remember being at PSU when the deal went down. Right out of the gate PSU fans were certain they would crush the conference year in and year out and show them a thing or two about football.

They soon realized that not having Joe be able to hire the refs was a huge problem and that they weren't going to get any more special treatment. They've done nothing but cry about it since.

 

[pittdan77]

I know you follow PSU like i do, and you are fair about them too.

Got Big News from a little Birdie on why Lubrano A9 accepted Ira as PSU Trustee Chairman and have a link that will confirm what my long ears have heard. I am waiting for a second confirmation. Changes at PSU may not be limited to Franklin?

I was spot on with my Info last year on Franklin and Old Main distrusts, but this bigger news and I'll wait to release it when I confirm and then choose the right time to do it.

And most know me here on the Lair I always try to post what I hear and honest about it, and the link will confirm support it authentication.

Can't wait.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Yeah, the whacko PSU fans make it hard to keep this a friendly rivalry. I spent two years on BWI trying to talk sense into them, but it always got thrown back in my face. So now I just laugh at their misfortune. Screw 'em...I hope every team (especially in the B1G) beats them royally. I have lost all respect for them whatsoever.

Agree you were also fair on the Ohio State Boards with PSU Posters when i followed Tressel Head Coaching Era.

Some of those PSU Posters are not graduates of Penn State and act like Iranian Mullahs with no rationale thoughts except restoring their dominance lost under Alexander, and later destruction caused by Mogols and Turks.

Excerpt:
The relatively unknown story of how the Jihadis tormented the Mongols and Turks leading to a fierce and vicious counter-attack by the Mongols on Islamdom from 1200 to 1258. An attack that was fiercer than the Crusades and which nearly wiped out Islam
LINK:
http://www.islam-watch.org/HistoryOfJihad/jihad_against_mongols.htm

I suspected the Big Ten Coaches did not care for Franklin since he took over Penn State and showed it by beating his Teams often by half time. After reading the Newspapers above, I have no doubt, there will be a bigger reckoning in 2016, and James better hope Moorhead can save him?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I.

I am record that I admire Joe Paterno's Coaching and I will point out my own narrative on what I think happen as soon as Pre-Trial Motions are over soon. I still have not change my thoughts and admiration of Joe Paterno and will explain why another time. However, here is an article that praises as well as exposes there own narrative of what they think happen at Penn State as well the Darker Side of Paterno.
A few excerpts and links to back up your posts:
EXCERPTS:
The Sins Of Penn State: The Untold Story Of Joe Paterno’s Fall
He took complete control of his staff, managing every detail. “When a guy stakes his life on something new, there’s no other way,” Joe would later write. ……
THERE WERE HINTS OF PATERNO’S POWER getting out of whack, of something not right, as far back as the ’80s, when he won his two national championships. Joe seemed to be toying with going into politics; he and Sue got more involved in fund-raising, in improving the athletic facilities, in charities. He was stretched thin. More to the point, as his brother George would write of Joe in his 2001 biography, “He was just getting too powerful. … The narcotic of success had gotten to him. He talked down to people.”

Rather than pay his brother a visit on McKee Street, George, who was the color analyst for PSU football broadcasts, wrote a letter advising Joe to come down to earth. As George knew all too well: “You don’t take Joe on head-to-head.”

There are stories like this, too: One day a few years ago, Paterno found his usual route home from practice blocked by some grade-schoolers visiting campus. Firing open his car door into the student cop redirecting traffic, he roared: “Do you know who I am?” Yeah, the man who built it all could be a jerk.

A graduate assistant coach named Matt Paknis was hired just after Paterno won his second national championship, in 1986. “There was a very bizarre dynamic down there” in Happy Valley, Paknis, now a management consultant, says. “It wasn’t like other programs and staff.” Paknis is referring to Paterno’s absolute control and power. He remembers one time he was late getting a player out onto the field; Paterno threatened him physically, screaming that he would “come and get” both of them. Paknis only lasted a year and a half.

And any mere administrator who dared cross him would quickly find out who ran things. When the Sandusky scandal hit, a former PSU standards-and-conduct officer named Vicky Triponey told the Wall Street Journal a chilling story: In the spring of 2007, six football players were arrested after a vicious fight in a downtown apartment. Triponey wanted the players dealt with like any other students. Paterno said the players shouldn’t have to testify against one another; he would decide on punishments, as he’d always done. Triponey said Paterno told Spanier he would stop raising money for the university unless she was fired. Spanier told her he wouldn’t let that happen, though in the past he’d warned her that she wasn’t fitting into “the Penn State way.” Joe’s way. In the end, none of the players missed any games; Paterno’s punishment was to make the entire team clean up the stadium for two hours after home games that fall. Triponey resigned from Penn State that September, reportedly escorted from her office on her last day by security guards.

TO GET A REAL FEEL FOR THE UNDERBELLY of “the Penn State way,” we need to understand the administrators on the other side of Joe Paterno—meaning his bosses, Tim Curley and Graham Spanier.

A faculty friend, who teaches in athletics, says Curley idolized Joe, and it was clear early on, long before he got the job as athletic director at the end of 1993, that Paterno was grooming him for something bigger. He felt the stress. “I never saw a guy’s hair go gray so fast as Tim’s,” his faculty friend says. “I know he disagreed with certain things [Paterno did]. But he took the company line. Joe knew he would. The number one trait of the job was absolute loyalty.” Even if Curley was Paterno’s boss.


Yet Spanier had a continuing problem: His football coach was getting older and older. And not going anywhere. Worse, the coach was much more famous—and more important to the university—than Graham Spanier. And after 2004, Spanier knew there was nothing he could do about that. A close friend of Joe Paterno’s told me a story: “Spanier would take big donors down before the game, while the team was warming up, and introduce them to Joe. Once, he took a certain ex-player down on the field, wooing this guy for big money. Spanier brought the guy to Paterno, and Joe said: ‘I heard he’s a good businessman. He was an ordinary fullback for me.’”Did Spanier get his money from the guy? “Some.”

JOE PATERNO, GRAHAM SPANIER AND TIM CURLEY would all miss or ignore—or possibly hide—what Jerry Sandusky is accused of doing to young boys. One of the big unanswered questions is what they might have known before Mike McQueary went to Paterno on that Saturday morning in 2002.

Back in 1998, university police investigated a complaint a mother of a boy brought against Sandusky, going so far as to listen in on a phone conversation between the mother and the coach in which he said, “I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. … I wish I were dead.” No charges were filed, but the case generated a lengthy university police report. Joe’s son Scott and others around Paterno have said the coach knew nothing about that investigation.

Many Paterno watchers, citing how he knew everything that went on in his program, find that claim of ignorance laughable. Jerry Sandusky retired abruptly in 1999, a year after the investigation, at age 55, at the height of his powers as a ballyhooed football mind. Supposedly he wanted to devote more energy to his Second Mile charity. Apparently he’d been told by Paterno that he would never be his successor as head coach. But just why Paterno told him that is an open question. When Sandusky left, the friend who’s been close to Tim Curley for more than 40 years told the A.D. he was surprised the coach was gone. “It’s for a very good reason,” Curley told him—but he wouldn’t elaborate. (I attempted to talk to Curley, but he hasn’t spoken to the media since the scandal broke.)

Moreover, someone who knows the Paternos well told me—reluctantly—that a person whose last name begins with P-A-T (a Paterno, obviously, though not Joe) told him at least four years ago that “Jerry Sandusky didn’t get along well with little boys.”
Joe Paterno claimed he never fully understood what McQueary was telling him that Saturday morning in 2002. But it sounds like some of the Paternos may have had a pretty good idea of Sandusky’s behavior. (GRAND JURY TESTIMONY TRANSCRIPTS SAY OTHERWISE)
Regardless, unless some bald cover-up emerges in one of the ongoing investigations or trials, this sort of speculation of who knew what when is ultimately beside the point. (WRITTEN WAY BEFORE UNSEALED VICTIM’S ALLEGATIONS CAME OUT JOE KNEW FIRST IN 1971)
It’s much more important to realize that any number of people—Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier and Tim Curley prominent among them—could have looked deeper into whatever they heard about Jerry Sandusky. But they chose not to.

JoePa got so big that when evil lurked, hiding in plain sight, no one saw it. Because he couldn’t let go. It was new president Rod Erickson who unwittingly damned the culture Paterno had created when he said: “Never again should anyone at Penn State feel scared to do the right thing.” In the end, Paterno succumbed to the most human of all traits: The wonderful thing that he created became him, and no one could touch that.
LINK:
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/the-sins-of-penn-state-the-untold-story-of-joe-paterno-s-fall/8/#eLDqlJh6Uy0FaCFJ.99

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"pittdan77, post: 1453433, member: 3668"]B1G fans never really embraced PSU. Was always sort of a weird marriage but I remember being at PSU when the deal went down. Right out of the gate PSU fans were certain they would crush the conference year in and year out and show them a thing or two about football.
I remember the same thing, my once close friend who borders on Cultists said they will continue grabbing Top Eastern Recruits and take away Top Recruits in the Midwest and won't be able to compare with Paterno's Coaching.

The First 4 years 1993-1996 they did just that and were beating OSU & Michigan until they were fully assimilated into the Big Ten and the Eastern Recruits they had when they joined were finally off the Roster.

All of sudden by 1996 they had to play Curtis Enis all year long while denying Enis had sign with an Agent and that Agent was in their Locker Rooms all season long. They continued to play and deny it by calling The Patriot News Sorts Reporters Liars. As we now know, the Patriot News also broke the Penn State Scandal, so they got it right back in 1996 and 2011 a Spanier got indicted with others?

They got away with it until Video Tape of Enis at a Mall being bought Suits by the Agent and all of sudden Paterno then called Enis a Liar and dumped him before the Bowl game and lost. The NCAA should have been came and investigated by they gave Paterno and a Penn State a pass.

After 1996 Paterno no longer had full control in the B1G like he did as an Independent. In 1998, I posted such info and said expect PSU to decline in the coming years and they did, and got banned on BWI, and never will go back. When they came on the Lair spreading lies about Pitt I just kept telling the truth about Penn State with support from links, and they got even madder.

I once posted why the Big Ten Coaches and AP Voters voted against PSU to join PSU in 1994 NCS share of National Championship. Aged Wolverine later on the Lair 2000s when he came on the Lair knew much about what happen and corrected me on some thing many years back on the rest you bring up up below.

They soon realized that not having Joe be able to hire the refs was a huge problem and that they weren't going to get any more special treatment. They've done nothing but cry about it since.

Paterno no longer had sole discretion on choosing Referees and in fact in my opinion was being hosed in some games in my opinion. Joe knew it too and insisted on Instant Replay or he would leave the Big Ten and got it.

I also pointed out Joe no longer could control the scheduling like he did as an Independent and when Penn State was picked to Preseason #1 in a few Magazine especially SI, he lost late November Games. At one point the Big Ten Teams of Michigan, OSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, and even Minnesota and Purdue started to beat them and then it got worse from 2000-2004 after Sandusky retired and was missed.

It turned out Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Iowa started grabbing Eastern recruits. Not many but enough to deny Joe key top talent.

The rise of Big East VT, Miami, BC, Cuse, and rebuilding of Pitt, Wvu, and even Rutgers got Schiano got his Team in the Top 25 be keeping more New Jersey Recruits away from Penn State.

Big Ten Schools like Michigan and Ohio State had just as big High School Coaching Clinics, Summer Recruiting Camps, Salaries Staffs, Coaching Salaries, and Iowa Ferentz, Wisconsin Alvarez, Minnesota Mason, started beating Joe. And when their posters went on BWI to discuss the game they got banned? Michigan's Lloyd beat Joe regularly and that was joined by Tressel later at OSU. both won NCS too!

All of sudden Joe could not control the Refs, Scheduling, and now the Big Ten, ACC, and Big East were offering Staring Jobs to Freshmen and Paterno had to change that aspect of his Program. In order to keep up, Penn State had no Institutional Control over Joe and Joe was not following anything he did not want to follow at Penn State as Curley his Boss was actually his Errand Boy as President Erickson just testified under oath. Moreover, this the same time Sanduskly was going wild on Children and now we know Joe knew or at least heard some things way back in 1970s, 80s, just as he was becoming too Big for the University and of course the Scandal had him crying about his good name before he passed away?

The Big Ten not only tamed Joe but were the only things that kept him in check by beating him and he refused to retire and kept making mistake after mistake on Compliance's, NCAA Rules, Title IX & Clery Act, and Discipline of his Players with NO Big Ten Athletic Integrity Agreement, No Code of Athletic Conduct, and being in business with trustee that made him bigger than anyone at the university and untouchable or he would not raise money from biggest contributing Alumni Worldwide that thought nothing ever went wrong at Penn State???

Now they are upset the World no longer accepts the Sins of Saint Paterno and they can't accept he is no longer considered a Saint! Soon the Best PSU Posters were attacked when they told the truth on what happen too.

Now Franklin complains he accepted a $4.5 Million Head Coaching jobs and blames Big Ten Coaches for not winning and in a way, blames Paterno for leaving him a mess he has to contend with but can't dump on Joe for doing it? So he dumped on Big Ten Coaches!

President Barron and AD Barbour say Children Allegations are Unproven and have to do it to keep their jobs?

This is not going to end pretty is all i have got to say. It is still all about Joe and he caused it all in a strange way that caught himself with too much Nittany Pride and started to believe he was bigger than any Crimes they could explain away in the Penn State Way?

Penn State Higher Ups got to a Point of No Return.....when facing two dilemmas that rattle their own Brains and Judgements do to Undisclosed Conflicts of Interests .....

1. How do you hold onto someone that threatens anyone who won't Protect his Football Programs Success unless it is his way?

2. And how do you get rid of someone branded a Saint and won't go and if he is let go reduces the Money Flow?

Today, in spite of Children being abused, Sandusky conviction astound and abound, and Unsealed Allegations that Joe was told in 1970s so he at least knew back then, and now All of The Lawsuits from PS4RS, A9 Trustees, Paternos, Bagwell, Spanier and former Alumni demand I think you owe all of us me a solid reason. All Joe ever did was worked his ass off for his Program, Players and Penn State University and so Fans you can have a nice Autumn life on Saturday and you owe me a reason that makes sense. We Are and We Demand to know why and want to hear it.

Yet, the Court of Public Opinion has spoken and the World Sports media, and Big Ten have come to a conclusion that

Joe’s Success was not built on all Honor and was ruined beneath the deepest layer of unjustified Children Abuse that today’s society judges as pond scum swamp.

Due to a University that could not control one man, even if he did not intend to do anything wrong, it still came out wrong, and Penn state Fans will defend it, but can’t win back a reputation once soiled in ruins of some of his own making.

Many want to bury it, move on, and at the same time Many want to honor it and say nothing ever went wrong?

Meanwhile Franklin is blaming the Big Ten, Barbour too!

Why because they can't brag about the Penn State Trustees 2012 Reforms without blaming Paterno that causes themselves problems they created with Paterno being Untouchable just as Sandusky Book was Titled "Touched", but Joe Never Knew?

 

[kybuckeye2]

When PSU first came into the B1G, I stated to friends at the time that they would find a different world than they were used to living in. No more could they schedule one or two decent teams and then fill the rest of their schedule up with creampuffs. They were going to find out what it's like to play big-boy football week in and week out. And even if you win those games, it's physically punishing on your players to go up against teams like OSU, UM, MSU, Wisky, etc. What I stated has been totally true. And that's one of the reasons why the BWI guys are so hateful of the B1G and it's teams: we've knocked the shine off their crown jewel.

 

[Saboteur]

When PSU first came into the B1G, I stated to friends at the time that they would find a different world than they were used to living in. No more could they schedule one or two decent teams and then fill the rest of their schedule up with creampuffs. They were going to find out what it's like to play big-boy football week in and week out. And even if you win those games, it's physically punishing on your players to go up against teams like OSU, UM, MSU, Wisky, etc. What I stated has been totally true. And that's one of the reasons why the BWI guys are so hateful of the B1G and it's teams: we've knocked the shine off their crown jewel.

And the snot out of their noses.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Ped St is a scooby snack for good B1G teams and their fans can't deal it.

Being in a small and isolated town like crappy valley was great as an independent. They could control all the local media. Now that they have to deal with outsiders they can't operated in a vacuum.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"kybuckeye2, post: 1455158, member: 39505"]When PSU first came into the B1G, I stated to friends at the time that they would find a different world than they were used to living in. No more could they schedule one or two decent teams and then fill the rest of their schedule up with creampuffs.
I posted the same thing on BWI and got banned for telling the truth and seeing far ahead than any of them. PSU is still a Powerful Program in League with OSU & Michigan & ND and can turn it all around with the right President, AD, and Coach. Just like Bama, OSU, Michigan and ND has been able to do. Yet, The Penn State 2012 Reforms requires a great Coach like Meyers, Harbaugh, Kelly, Fisher, and Saban!

The Trustees have united and are now waiting for Trials and Lawsuits to end and have a plan to return PSU to back to Top 25 Winning. The problem now is other Programs like UMD, RU, MSU, Wisky, and other Big Ten and ACC Programs now are getting the many to make it harder for them to compete in the East?

Just like OSU & Michigan are Powerful too, they now have to contend stronger Iowa, Wisky, and MSU Programs. They will always have advantages but Big Ten Money is causing more competition. They are more lucky though, since they don't have to contend with SEC, ACC, & Big-12 Programs as much. ND, ULou UTenn, Kentucky and Pitt are far less in number to grab some Top Recruits away from OSU & Michigan.

They were going to find out what it's like to play big-boy football week in and week out. And even if you win those games, it's physically punishing on your players to go up against teams like OSU, UM, MSU, Wisky, etc.
Exactly, and it get worst! Many think the B1G by adding Rutgers and Maryland was helping Penn State but they are now taking more Recruits away from PSU, while OSU & Michigan can still keep Pipelines for Top 4-5 Recruits to the East as they showed last year. Delany knows how to protect

PSU also has to contend with VT, UVA, Pitt, Cuse, BC, WVU, UNC, GT, NCS, and even Temple as one of their own and perhaps Best PSU College Coach is proving to be better than anyone expects.

What I stated has been totally true. And that's one of the reasons why the BWI guys are so hateful of the B1G and it's teams: we've knocked the shine off their Crown Jewel. Delany always knew the Big Ten Crown Jewels has always been OSU-UM and there Alumni will always keep them Highly Competitive and won't accept not being a Top 25 Program. Even Nebraska is having trouble keeping up.

You are correct sir. OSU was a Sleeping Giant awaken by Big Blue Michigan Lloyd and brought Tressel and followed by Meyers. Michigan now responds with Harbaugh.

Like the Article I Linked the Crown Jewel of the East Program was built on Superb Hard Working Coaching and I admire Joe's Coaching, Education, and Family.

However, Joe was very competitive and looked for any edge to win and the isolation of Penn state often gave him advantages over other Programs with his own system of secrecy and able to ignore following the Rules and the Media often attached Slogans with air of arrogance his Program were better than the rest of College Football and not afraid to upset the other Coaches to get them off their own games. In the end the Penn State Football Program Scandal, Sanctions and Victim's Allegations, actually end up hurting Joe in ways he never intended, in my opinion.

As the link and other Media points out, Joe Paterno staying too long, and being bigger then the University he help build with judgments that got too big with lack of reality and ended in shaming Penn State and his own Name.But in my opinion, still did far more good than wrong, but that is my view, and others cannot forgive him for not doing more as he wished he too before he passed away.

The Penn State Program help build is Still Strong but going through transitions to chnage that culture of football whereby no coach ever again will become bigger than the University!

Penn State will come back again since it has strong roots but by another coach that will use the resources to win in the Top 25 Again and like all things, Paterno legacy both good and bad will fade in memories and replaced by successes of future coaches.

 

[pittdan77]

And the recruiting pipeline started to flow the other way. OSU used to come into PGH and grab kids. ND always had a presence. Michigan and the rest, not so much. Now, the east is a free for all. Even the SEC is starting to creep around.

I often wonder what an all eastern conference would be like today. The money from all of the TV's...wow. I'm glad that schools stood up and didn't allow a Texas/Big 12 type arrangement (that I think Joe wanted) because I doubt it would have held together.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

And the recruiting pipeline started to flow the other way. OSU used to come into PGH and grab kids. ND always had a presence. Michigan and the rest, not so much. Now, the east is a free for all. Even the SEC is starting to creep around.

I often wonder what an all eastern conference would be like today. The money from all of the TV's...wow. I'm glad that schools stood up and didn't allow a Texas/Big 12 type arrangement (that I think Joe wanted) because I doubt it would have held together.

Agree with you but Joe ignored something too more than just the Victim Voices.

As I recall, There was group in the South that was looking to build a New Eastern-Southern Conference bigger than the ACC. They wanted FSU, Miami, Penn State, Pitt, Cuse, WVU, BC, Rutgers, ULou, Temple!

They were looking to create it when FSU and PSU announce going to the ACC and Big Ten and felt this combination would actually out do the ACC, but were surprised Paterno did not consider the ACC?

Paterno knew Penn State fit the Big Ten Schools far better in size and traditions, but the geographic locations was a disadvantage but Delany fixed it with Rutgers and Maryland.

I used to Post on the Lair that was critical mistake Joe made by joining the Big Ten. I always felt Penn State gave more to the Big Ten than the Big Ten gave back to Penn State. If you look at just as Winning, Conference Titles and NCS Championship opportunities??? No question the Big Ten reduced Penn State to 2nd or 3rd Tier Team in the Big Ten as it is still a Top Tier Big Ten Program.

No question, Penn State being the biggest Giant would have dominated ACC with FSU 1990s and even with VT and Miami joining later.

Today, I no longer say it, mainly due to Paterno staying too long and now with Institutional Controls 2012 Reforms and leaving the Big Ten with The Worse College Football Scandal in CFB History.

Still, Joe had the visions beyond himself by looking at the Money the Big Ten would bring to Penn State regardless of whether they continue to win or not without him, and he was right on that aspect. But he never saw another NCS and could have won one in 1994 and been in some others later had he not join the Big Ten and been in the ACC.

Now Penn State has to contend with ACC, SEC, and Big Ten Programs in the Northeast, South, and not getting much from the Midwest in return as far as Top Recruits? Once Joe had Penn State join the Big Ten, like you say, he lost many advantages he would have kept in Big East or ACC.

Like in the Article I posted above, Joe got full of himself, lost some vision, and ignored Voices of Victims to promote and protect his Program that ended up not just ruining Paterno's and Penn State's name, but cost him Wins, Recruits, and Titles! As well as costing Penn State over $500 million right now and climbing?

This is why Penn State Trustees are trying to change The Football Culture of Penn State knowing it is intertwined with his contributions in building up the University!

I used to post too, if Joe Paterno did for Pitt what he did for Penn State Football, Pitt Fans would love Joe too, but I can't say that today even though I admire his coaching.

I used to wonder if Joe had created a New Conference and whether Penn State would have compromised its values and stay in compliance without trying to beat Big Ten Teams. Because the Big East and ACC Teams would have been easier to beat in 1990s and 2000s, except for FSU, Miami and VT. Still, with PSU Crowds selling out Away Game Stadiums I think Joe would have had PSU in NCS more tan in B1G? It is a good thing it did not happen!

Or if Joe had retired earlier to become Commissioner of that Conference and push Academic Reforms, but once it was learned Joe own Program was not obeying NCAA Rules, Big Compliance's, and Educational Laws, I am glad that did not happen either!

I once called the Finebaum's SEC Show on Sirius Radio, and asked him if SEC would invite Penn State, he said, he did not think SEC would want them with the Scandal they created! My Penn State friend was shocked to hear it!

Pitt has ended up in the right place in the ACC, Penn State is a good fit for the Big Ten, but WVU is outside looking in and I feel bad for them too. ACC, SEC, and Big Ten are way better for WVU, and Penn State has been diminished in the Big Ten and hard to see them comeback anytime soon. Not because they can't but because MSU, UM, OSU and now UMD & RU others are there to compete and stop them.

PSU would be one of the Elite Programs in the ACC but that Big Ten Income is what they need now, and it still won't buy back a NCS until they get attract a better coach.

 

[pittdan77]

Agree with you but Joe ignored something too more than just the Victim Voices.

As I recall, There was group in the South that was looking to build a New Eastern-Southern Conference bigger than the ACC. They wanted FSU, Miami, Penn State, Pitt, Cuse, WVU, BC, Rutgers, ULou, Temple!

They were looking to create it when FSU and PSU announce going to the ACC and Big Ten and felt this combination would actually out do the ACC, but were surprised Paterno did not consider the ACC?

Paterno knew Penn State fit the Big Ten Schools far better in size and traditions, but the geographic locations was a disadvantage but Delany fixed it with Rutgers and Maryland.

I used to Post on the Lair that was critical mistake Joe made by joining the Big Ten. I always felt Penn State gave more to the Big Ten than the Big Ten gave back to Penn State. If you look at just as Winning, Conference Titles and NCS Championship opportunities??? No question the Big Ten reduced Penn State to 2nd or 3rd Tier Team in the Big Ten as it is still a Top Tier Big Ten Program.

No question, Penn State being the biggest Giant would have dominated ACC with FSU 1990s and even with VT and Miami joining later.

Today, I no longer say it, mainly due to Paterno staying too long and now with Institutional Controls 2012 Reforms and leaving the Big Ten with The Worse College Football Scandal in CFB History.

Still, Joe had the visions beyond himself by looking at the Money the Big Ten would bring to Penn State regardless of whether they continue to win or not without him, and he was right on that aspect. But he never saw another NCS and could have won one in 1994 and been in some others later had he not join the Big Ten and been in the ACC.

Now Penn State has to contend with ACC, SEC, and Big Ten Programs in the Northeast, South, and not getting much from the Midwest in return as far as Top Recruits? Once Joe had Penn State join the Big Ten, like you say, he lost many advantages he would have kept in Big East or ACC.

Like in the Article I posted above, Joe got full of himself, lost some vision, and ignored Voices of Victims to promote and protect his Program that ended up not just ruining Paterno's and Penn State's name, but cost him Wins, Recruits, and Titles! As well as costing Penn State over $500 million right now and climbing?

This is why Penn State Trustees are trying to change The Football Culture of Penn State knowing it is intertwined with his contributions in building up the University!

I used to post too, if Joe Paterno did for Pitt what he did for Penn State Football, Pitt Fans would love Joe too, but I can't say that today even though I admire his coaching.

I used to wonder if Joe had created a New Conference and whether Penn State would have compromised its values and stay in compliance without trying to beat Big Ten Teams. Because the Big East and ACC Teams would have been easier to beat in 1990s and 2000s, except for FSU, Miami and VT. Still, with PSU Crowds selling out Away Game Stadiums I think Joe would have had PSU in NCS more tan in B1G? It is a good thing it did not happen!

Or if Joe had retired earlier to become Commissioner of that Conference and push Academic Reforms, but once it was learned Joe own Program was not obeying NCAA Rules, Big Compliance's, and Educational Laws, I am glad that did not happen either!

I once called the Finebaum's SEC Show on Sirius Radio, and asked him if SEC would invite Penn State, he said, he did not think SEC would want them with the Scandal they created! My Penn State friend was shocked to hear it!

Pitt has ended up in the right place in the ACC, Penn State is a good fit for the Big Ten, but WVU is outside looking in and I feel bad for them too. ACC, SEC, and Big Ten are way better for WVU, and Penn State has been diminished in the Big Ten and hard to see them comeback anytime soon. Not because they can't but because MSU, UM, OSU and now UMD & RU others are there to compete and stop them.

PSU would be one of the Elite Programs in the ACC but that Big Ten Income is what they need now, and it still won't buy back a NCS until they get attract a better coach.

I disagree a little. I think PSU let itself fall a bit. Not that recruiting fell off that far but more that they fell into a pattern with Joe. Couldn't replace him (unthinkable). But nobody was out working really hard to push recruiting over the top. Then they fired Joe and sanctions put them back a bit. Now even the new HC can't get beyond himself as he complains other schools in the B1G aren't playing fair.

It's really weird.

 

[Eph97]

Imagine the damage to cultists psyche when they realize after 20+ years of evidence they are more on Wisconsin/Iowa level than tOSU/UM level. It must drive them insane.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

If Ped St were a stock it would be tanking. NO ONE spends more per win the than the Fighting Joebots.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I disagree a little. I think PSU let itself fall a bit. Not that recruiting fell off that far but more that they fell into a pattern with Joe. Couldn't replace him (unthinkable). But nobody was out working really hard to push recruiting over the top. Then they fired Joe and sanctions put them back a bit. Now even the new HC can't get beyond himself as he complains other schools in the B1G aren't playing fair.

It's really weird.

Same thing as far as I am concern. Sticking with Joe that would not go, and no one could make Joe go, and Joe wanting that 409 as well as for his Tainted Legacy felt justified putting Joe ahead of the University and anything else just like ending the Pitt-Psu Series, or not doing anything in 1971-2001-2011 for Children either?

Joe helped build the University by winning and Joe's vision and decision going to the Big Ten assures the University a great Legacy and future in Athletics with a terrific Alumni Association in the Top Ten.

Penn State can survive the shame brought to Penn State Name by others at the University in Sandusky, Spanier, Schultz and Curley. The Victim's Voices Allegations in the Media won't give Joe Legacy a pass either nor the Costs to put in Penn State 2012 Reforms, but will pass away in time as well as the PSU Athletic Programs will still grow.

Such as you posted it is weird and why there is a disconnect of PSU Worldwide Alumni view Joe was a Saint of Success, versus Sports Media and Children Protective Advocates Worldwide view that Joe was not as Honorable as Slogans made him out to be, and that is always going to be a mixed bag of weird discontent.

It is because it is mixed pot of great coaching success, players development, promoting educational goals, family values, and raising money for the University and Charities.

Along with ignoring Institutional Control, Compliance's Laws, protecting the Football Program ahead of Children, intertwined with a designed predatory Charity. Mixed within Alleged Crimes of Omissions of University Leadership ignoring any signs of a Convicted Pedophile Coach actions both hidden, hard to believe, and testified under Oath?

It is now hard to fathom some knew so far back, but when it came out, still ignored it to protect Football, and even Investigators took time to unravel it all???

The bottom line is even Paterno with the resources was not beating the Big Ten Top Programs after joining and with an edge of Non-Compliance Rules that required many 2012 Reforms.

Now with more Big Ten Competition right in Maryland and New Jersey and growing Incomes of ACC that surround Penn state more than Big Ten other Programs. It is not these other Programs now around Penn State will become ever Bigger Programs than Penn state, but they will take away enough Top Recruits enough to make winning 10+ Games at Penn State tougher than ever?

Penn State Football is in a far competitive environment than Paterno ever faced in the past 1993-2011 where Joe even won less than OSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan putting PSU at 5th Place as well as 1993-2015, in Big Ten Wins with far less Big Ten Titles.

After Joe, although I predicted Sanctions would not results in losing any seasons for Penn state. Nonetheless, Penn fell behind OSU, MSU, Wisky, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan to 8th place.

Penn State is still a Top 15 Program but will need more time to become a Top Ten 15 Winning Team and when they do will find it harder to maintain every year, and maybe Paterno with vision wanted it that way, so no Coach can challenge his Legacy of Wins at PSU.

We know Joe had better foresight than hindsight and in spite of being magnanimous in many ways, Joe's Ego Darker Size & Side, was also secretive, petty, and mean to anyone that challenge his way of running his Program, and no one at the University Leadership could do anything about it. The way Joe built his success also brought down his success in trying to form a Perfect Legacy that is now only defended at Penn State causing even more divisions!

A mixed Legacy of Winning Success with No Oversight combined with Slogans not full in Honor in any Penn State Secretive Ways, also will cause head scratching, weirdness, and why in Hindsight Joe cried about his own now mixed Good and Dark Side reputation before he died.

The Penn State 2012 Reforms were put in to make sure no future Penn State Coach becomes bigger than the University and the University will always be over any Athletic Program by any Coach!

Penn State Football just like Michigan and OSU can come back and win in the Top 25, but in reality hasn't won a NCS since 1986, just like Pitt Ten years before in 1976. The Football Programs will be competitive but will also be tougher than ever to get into that Top 10 in CFB Polls, as well as the Big Ten or ACC, same with WVU in the Big-12!

Penn State does not have to rebuild its Football Program that is in tact, it just has to contend in winning now under Institutional Controls Reforms. Franklin will do it, or Penn State will find Coaches to do that and keep winning, but tougher to do it.

WVU does not need to rebuild its Football Program either just has to find a Coach that can deal with Big-12 challenges of winning 10+ games.

Pitt is rebuilding its Football Program and needs to establish it in the ACC and also will contend with those challenges.

CFB has gotten far more competitive with far more money coming in for all Programs and Pitt, Penn State, and West Virginia will deal with the challenges that surround all of them in 3 Power Conferences that have Powerful Programs that are hard to beat every year now. Weird is a good word but so is realities of the GridIron Competition!

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

I think there should be more Penn State and their fans talk on this board...really I mean it....Pitt training camp is a long way off

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Ummmmm. Let's beat them first before we eulogize them.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I think there should be more Penn State and their fans talk on this board...really I mean it....Pitt training camp is a long way off

Good....try creating such threads on Football talk rather than just BS Comments on nothing except what you think what other Posters should Posts? It is a Football Blog Board, not a "QuitWhiningWanny" BS Boring Board?

Not a Personal Attack on you, but by just reviewing all your Comments History on other Posters Posts you produce far less substance from you and just more whining about nothing on College Football?

I have read and agreed with some small but good Posts when you do contribute and have important insights on Pitt and other Sport's Topics , just want more of them, and less whining?