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Are you people worried about crowd issues when PSU comes to Heinz?

My wife and I try to make Heinz field visitors comfortable at PITT home games.
In our opinion its incumbent on PITT fans to be there in mass and make this game an uncomfortable game for the denominator, his "crappy " program, and the Nitter delusional fans.
Lets draw the line and set the standard.
 
I'll record any of the ped state crap and send it to your ad and he'll be forced to issue a public apology just like Rutgers last year. Won't that be nice.

You are by far the biggest puzzy who has ever posted on this board. Your whimpishness embarrasses everyone who reads your impotent drivel. Be careful that some 4 yr old doesn't beat the hell out of you at recess and steal your lunch money. Good God, girl; get some testosterone injections before it's too late!
 
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I'll record any of the ped state crap and send it to your ad and he'll be forced to issue a public apology just like Rutgers last year. Won't that be nice.

Actions of a sissy and can replace the si with ... Well you know..
 
I'll record any of the ped state crap and send it to your ad and he'll be forced to issue a public apology just like Rutgers last year. Won't that be nice.
I'm not sure how your recording device will work in that area where the sunshine doesn't shine??
 
I will call penn states ad and ask where they stand on the Cleary report before I take my family to beaver stadium
 
I believe the two are mutually exclusive. I am ashamed that our BOT sold my University down the river, however I also firmly believe that Joe Paterno had nothing to do with it.
I have similar positions to be fair but hope you comeback and respond with your own objectivity and subjectivity that I respect but on something I will be posting later after spending some time with some great PSU people.

I myself have serious doubts how much Paterno knew and cannot believe he would find it acceptable to intentionally accept what Sandusky was convicted of doing, I just believe Joe did far more good and was a Great Coach. At the same time, I can wait for the Criminal Cases & Civil Lawsuits to play out and reveal what will come out sooner or later that may change my own opinion?

My Question to you is if it is proven that Joe Knew before 1998 and 2001 will that change your view as Joe as an Icon of Virtue and maybe was not as open and made mistakes in protecting, or ignoring, or just did not believe the allegations in Sealed Documents?

It would change my opinion to be fair and I may be able to explain it if I read such Documents, but Joe would no longer hold a high place if he new before 1998.

Yet, it still would not change that Joe would still be a Great Football Coach separate from those moral issues, and Joe did many great things more than mistakes in the Sandusky Info once out in totality.

Regarding your beliefs on the PSU BOT being responsible for taking down Penn State image and Program. I also am going to post what the PSU people taught me on the Penn State 2012 Reforms and would like your own comments and thoughts on that postings later.

There I learned the Old PSU BOT many gone now, did have Conflicts of Interests of Business Interests and they needed many Reforms that the BOT was not following. But it includes being in Business with Paterno's too, and explains there was a serious Lack of Institutional Control and why other Laws, Rules, and Compliance's were not being followed as well? So a mixed bag of BOT & JOE that required Reforms now overseeing PSU that is now in full Compliance!

I will post Links to those Reforms as I was taught why they were investigated, recommended and approved and now are in place that makes PSU Model of Compliance, Rules, and Regulations now but was not followed during the Paterno Era and Paterno allegedly and is documented refused to allow some of those Reforms too?

In the meantime, hope you come back and critique my postings with no offense taken and glad you share your thoughts on the Lair so we can learn together.
 
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I believe the two are mutually exclusive. I am ashamed that our BOT sold my University down the river, however I also firmly believe that Joe Paterno had nothing to do with it.
Not sure what you mean. Your BOT should have taken more drastic actions as all PSU administration including Paterno knew what Sandusky was doing!
Why do you think one of the best D coaches in the country was retired and put on the shelve ( iced) in State College where Joe and others could make sure he didn't escape into the general population and reveal his hideous behavior! The thought process was let him do what he does but we'll control things here in State College!
" everyone" knew and the football program was at the center of the crime!
 
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My wife and I go out of our way to talk to opposing fans at the bars on the north side and find out where they're from and welcome them. ALWAYS a good time. However, if a bunch of PSU fans are walking around screaming "We Are..." we will all be forced to respond (as I suggested a month ago) "Guillllty!". Have to figure out what the Panther Pitt comes up with for the we are response and I'll go along. I'm passing along my "Guilty!" as a recommendation.

I have tons of PSU friends and I can laugh and joke about Pitt - and have for years. But these otherwise sane and professional people get teary eyed, red-faced and visibly angry with any mention of the following: molestation, 409, cult, Paterno. That is why everyone in the country thinks you're a joke and a cult.

Now, if the PSU fan above is truly different and wants to come and have a good time and does not own a 409 sign, cardboard Paterno or a"bring back the statue" petition, then you are welcome at the bar or the tailgate with us!
 
I have similar positions to be fair but hope you comeback and respond with your own objectivity and subjectivity that I respect but on something I will be posting later after spending some time with some great PSU people.

I myself have serious doubts how much Paterno knew and cannot believe he would find it acceptable to intentionally accept what Sandusky was convicted of doing, I just believe Joe did far more good and was a Great Coach. At the same time, I can wait for the Criminal Cases & Civil Lawsuits to play out and reveal what will come out sooner or later that may change my own opinion?

My Question to you is if it is proven that Joe Knew before 1998 and 2001 will that change your view as Joe as an Icon of Virtue and maybe was not as open and made mistakes in protecting, or ignoring, or just did not believe the allegations in Sealed Documents?

It would change my opinion to be fair and I may be able to explain it if I read such Documents, but Joe would no longer hold a high place if he new before 1998.

Yet, it still would not change that Joe would still be a Great Football Coach separate from those moral issues, and Joe did many great things more than mistakes in the Sandusky Info once out in totality.

Regarding your beliefs on the PSU BOT being responsible for taking down penn State image and Program. I also going to post what the PSU people taught me on the Penn State 2012 Reforms and would like your own comments and thoughts on that postings later.

There I learned the PSU BOT did have Conflicts of Interests of Business Interests and they needed many Reforms that the BOT was not following, but it includes being in Business with Paterno's too, and explains there was a serious Lack of Institutional Control? So a mixed bag of BOT & JOE that required Reforms now overseeing PSU!

I will post Links to those Reforms as I was taught why they were investigated, recommended and approved and now are in place that makes PSU Model of Compliance, Rules, and Regulations now but was not followed during the Paterno Era and Paterno refused to allow some of those Reforms too?

In the meantime, hope you come back and critique my postings with no offense taken and glad you share your thoughts on the Lair so we can learn together.
My wife and I go out of our way to talk to opposing fans at the bars on the north side and find out where they're from and welcome them. ALWAYS a good time. However, if a bunch of PSU fans are walking around screaming "We Are..." we will all be forced to respond (as I suggested a month ago) "Guillllty!". Have to figure out what the Panther Pitt comes up with for the we are response and I'll go along. I'm passing along my "Guilty!" as a recommendation.

I have tons of PSU friends and I can laugh and joke about Pitt - and have for years. But these otherwise sane and professional people get teary eyed, red-faced and visibly angry with any mention of the following: molestation, 409, cult, Paterno. That is why everyone in the country thinks you're a joke and a cult.

Now, if the PSU fan above is truly different and wants to come and have a good time and does not own a 409 sign, cardboard Paterno or a"bring back the statue" petition, then you are welcome at the bar or the tailgate with us!
My wife and I go out of our way to talk to opposing fans at the bars on the north side and find out where they're from and welcome them. ALWAYS a good time. However, if a bunch of PSU fans are walking around screaming "We Are..." we will all be forced to respond (as I suggested a month ago) "Guillllty!". Have to figure out what the Panther Pitt comes up with for the we are response and I'll go along. I'm passing along my "Guilty!" as a recommendation.

I have tons of PSU friends and I can laugh and joke about Pitt - and have for years. But these otherwise sane and professional people get teary eyed, red-faced and visibly angry with any mention of the following: molestation, 409, cult, Paterno. That is why everyone in the country thinks you're a joke and a cult.

Now, if the PSU fan above is truly different and wants to come and have a good time and does not own a 409 sign, cardboard Paterno or a"bring back the statue" petition, then you are welcome at the bar or the tailgate with us!

The peddstate fan base can kiss my ...

For the PITT fans on the fence, their pompous behavior September 10 will fuel the hatred towards most of their fan base... Proof will be in the pudding.
 
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My wife and I go out of our way to talk to opposing fans at the bars on the north side and find out where they're from and welcome them. ALWAYS a good time. However, if a bunch of PSU fans are walking around screaming "We Are..." we will all be forced to respond (as I suggested a month ago) "Guillllty!". Have to figure out what the Panther Pitt comes up with for the we are response and I'll go along. I'm passing along my "Guilty!" as a recommendation.

I have tons of PSU friends and I can laugh and joke about Pitt - and have for years. But these otherwise sane and professional people get teary eyed, red-faced and visibly angry with any mention of the following: molestation, 409, cult, Paterno. That is why everyone in the country thinks you're a joke and a cult.

Now, if the PSU fan above is truly different and wants to come and have a good time and does not own a 409 sign, cardboard Paterno or a"bring back the statue" petition, then you are welcome at the bar or the tailgate with us!
Very good points, but what many Penn State Fans forget about is how Joe Paterno in the 1970-2010s was caught with some Public and Wink Wink, Off The Record Lies about Pitt while trying to build up the Penn State Image and then in 2010 it was found out Joe was not telling all the truth, and came back on the Penn State Fans that can't believe it, and blame anyone reporting it as well as Trustees that had to clean up the University and Program.

I plan to put up some Neutral Old Articles to remind Penn State Fans how wrong Joe was at times, and they believed Joe anyway.

This is why Pitt Fans won't allow many PSU Fans just pass on Paterno and quite frankly Joe did admit he was not a Saint and cried about how his legacy was ruined by his own omissions and admissions just to win 409 Clean Up Games?


My Posts and Links will provide Younger Posters how this developed and especially after Pitt won a National Championship 6 years before Paterno won his first.

Back in the 1970s Penn State Fans and Paterno were relentless on attacking the Pitt Football Program, and when the Paterno Football Program was exposed in the 2010, Pitt Fans are giving back Payback in Spades and maybe that Penn State Swagger was just myth after all and gone now?
 
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The peddstate fan base can kiss my ...

For the PITT fans on the fence, their pompous behavior September 10 will fuel the hatred towards most of their fan base... Proof will be in the pudding.
Very fair and cannot disagree at all, just waiting for all the Pudding Mixture to come out, so we measure the density and viscosity and the taste that is the full truth, will leave some PSU Fans with some bad tastes if it shows Joe knew before 1998.

The Penn State Trustees proved they were right when they had to correct the Paterno's Era Violations with Penn State 2012 Reforms and under a NCAA Oversight Monitor, that has never been disputed nor unproven by anyone at Defenders of the Penn State or CULTists, and none of those Reforms are being removed either!


I can wait until the Paterno cases Chill and the Pudding is tasted with all facts in, from Sealed Reports dating back to 1971-76-87-88? Maybe unsealing those details will spoil what the PSu CULTists think about Paterno legacy after all is known?

After all, they demanded Transparency did they not, now will be the big enough to stand up and admit it, that they might have been wrong?Even the Paterno's may have to drop their Lawsuit and admit, they did not know Joe knew more than he told them?


The Pudding is mixing and soon chilling will be complete!
 
My wife and I go out of our way to talk to opposing fans at the bars on the north side and find out where they're from and welcome them. ALWAYS a good time. However, if a bunch of PSU fans are walking around screaming "We Are..." we will all be forced to respond (as I suggested a month ago) "Guillllty!". Have to figure out what the Panther Pitt comes up with for the we are response and I'll go along. I'm passing along my "Guilty!" as a recommendation.

I have tons of PSU friends and I can laugh and joke about Pitt - and have for years. But these otherwise sane and professional people get teary eyed, red-faced and visibly angry with any mention of the following: molestation, 409, cult, Paterno. That is why everyone in the country thinks you're a joke and a cult.

Now, if the PSU fan above is truly different and wants to come and have a good time and does not own a 409 sign, cardboard Paterno or a"bring back the statue" petition, then you are welcome at the bar or the tailgate with us!

You are not "forced" to respond. Bull kaka.

There is a big difference between a PSU fan participating in a "we are" cheer, and as you say in your last sentence, and a PSU fan who starts bringing up 409, statues, or JoePa.
 
I am sure an O-H-I-O chant goes over well at a PS game.

About as well as the "We are Penn State" cheers in our 2011 & 2013 games in Columbus (which I was at).

No reaction at all. No "Ped State", no Sandusky references, no 4-letter words.

As I said --- it's up to Pittsburgh Panthers fans to react as you will.

If "We are" causes you to play the "Ped State card", you will be an outlier fanbase versus the many others I've experienced in the past 4 years.
 
About as well as the "We are Penn State" cheers in our 2011 & 2013 games in Columbus (which I was at).

No reaction at all. No "Ped State", no Sandusky references, no 4-letter words.

As I said --- it's up to Pittsburgh Panthers fans to react as you will.

If "We are" causes you to play the "Ped State card", you will be an outlier fanbase versus the many others I've experienced in the past 4 years.


Maybe so, but none of those games were against a team that considers Penn St as their rival.

Please don't say OSU or Michigan, PSU nowhere near the biggest game on either of those teams schedules.

Like it or not this is a rivalry game and visiting fans are more than likely going to be facing a more hostile environment than usual.
 
About as well as the "We are Penn State" cheers in our 2011 & 2013 games in Columbus (which I was at).

No reaction at all. No "Ped State", no Sandusky references, no 4-letter words.

As I said --- it's up to Pittsburgh Panthers fans to react as you will.

If "We are" causes you to play the "Ped State card", you will be an outlier fanbase versus the many others I've experienced in the past 4 years.
My advice to you - either do not go around chanting We Are.... Or Expect to get a response you will not like.
 
Very fair and cannot disagree at all, just waiting for all the Pudding Mixture to come out, so we measure the density and viscosity and the taste that is the full truth, will leave some PSU Fans with some bad tastes if it shows Joe knew before 1998.

The Penn State Trustees proved they were right when they had to correct the Paterno's Era Violations with Penn State 2012 Reforms and under a NCAA Oversight Monitor, that has never been disputed nor unproven by anyone at Defenders of the Penn State or CULTists, and none of those Reforms are being removed either!


I can wait until the Paterno cases Chill and the Pudding is tasted with all facts in, from Sealed Reports dating back to 1971-76-87-88? Maybe unsealing those details will spoil what the PSu CULTists think about Paterno legacy after all is known?

After all, they demanded Transparency did they not, now will be the big enough to stand up and admit it, that they might have been wrong?Even the Paterno's may have to drop their Lawsuit and admit, they did not know Joe knew more than he told them?


The Pudding is mixing and soon chilling will be complete!

The sad part, after the pudding settles and is as clear as mud, paturdo will still be the cults God, which is beyond sad, I cannot grasp the false love affair..
 
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About as well as the "We are Penn State" cheers in our 2011 & 2013 games in Columbus (which I was at).

No reaction at all. No "Ped State", no Sandusky references, no 4-letter words.

As I said --- it's up to Pittsburgh Panthers fans to react as you will.

If "We are" causes you to play the "Ped State card", you will be an outlier fanbase versus the many others I've experienced in the past 4 years.
Oh Good Lord. Get over yourself already. I guess throwing urine filled balloons on opposing bands is acceptable in Happy Valley, but Pitt fans somehow distorting a cheer in Heinz Field is somehow more offensive? Really?
 
One thing I know ---- I've been to 20+ Penn State games outside of State College since November 2011 --- and I only have experienced one Sandusky/sex scandal related taunt.

If Pittsburgh fans do act as you insinuate --- Pittsburgh fans will be the outlier.

However --- I do have confidence that Pittsburgh Panthers fans are better than that.

Prove me right.

Oh, please. Spare me the preemptive lecture about abhorrent fan behavior. It's ludicrously self unaware for any Penn State fan to call anyone else an outlier or questioning how they will be perceived nationally.

The taunts are definitely coming your way and there's just no doubt about that. I won't be participating in them - I will have little kids with me at the game - but they are DEFINITELY coming in the same way that there will be a Tuesday next week.

I would be remiss if I didn't also add that I have no sympathy whatsoever for the goofy Penn State fans who will be subjected to it. They have demonstrated not one ounce of contrition for what their gods did to all of those kids - only open contempt for anyone with the temerity to DARE question "Joe's" (like they knew the phucking guy) integrity.

Phuck him too! He was the biggest phony in the history of college football and just as sick and perspectiveless as the rest of you flaming arseholes.

That's the price you pay for being holier than thou for decades upon decades all while harboring some SERIOUS skeletons in your own closet.

Then again, isn't that how these things ALWAYS play out? Isn't the local minister's daughter always the nympho? Isn't the 'family values' conservative activist always a closeted fetishist/adulterer? Isn't the salesman who goes out of his way to tout his own integrity while condemning everyone else's character ALWAYS the biggest snake of them all? Why should it be any different with college football coaches? I guess as it turned out, it wasn't different at all, was it?
 
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Not necessarily. Here, yeah. But in those "COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS LIFE" places, and Pennsyltucky is certainly one of those places, it is every bit as intense or moreso. Sorry.

Here's the thing with PSU fans. I think the whole world expected some sort of regret and humility when this all came down. I think all of us are appalled that this is not the case. So when you combine this, with your holier than thou arrogance over the years that basically have exposed Paterno and PSU football as complete frauds....there is going to be a lot of people vocalizing their disdain.


I get it from the outside perspective recruits and agree with you 100%But it just seems strange to how the inside, PSU cult, perspective can't talk about this situation enough. It's like a sickness or something that they can't get rid of. Them against the world like they want to change everyone's opinion of really what happened. Most unbiased opinions would agree that Joe Paterno was aware of at the very least basic knowledge of the situation with Sandusky. Yet some of the whacky PSU crew can't even consider that he probably knew at least had minimal awareness of what was going on. In fairness though someone harassing a psu fan not causing problems would be inappropriate IMO.
 
The sad part, after the pudding settles and is as clear as mud, paturdo will still be the cults God, which is beyond sad, I cannot grasp the false love affair..
The Lawsuits were filed for all the Truth and Discovery was ordered, and in less than 45 Days will address those concerns, but not on the path once intended. The Media wants all Documents Unsealed and that will add to the Pudding Mixture, and I can be fair, objective, and wait to see and read those Documents and come to my own conclusions.

I will not mind either nor challenge what others think from their own conclusions, it America.


Joe was still a Great Football Coach and i separate that from the Issues, Cases, and Charges stiil in Court. If it comes out Joe brought much of this on his own that is something that comes out well, that will be resolved too, as the world learns what is in those Unsealed Documents.

At some point in time, this will apply to the most ardent PSU faithful fan too, and if they claim they live in the shadows of principles that the Grand Experiment, Success with Honor and The Penn State Way had frauds, flaws, and cover ups?

It is up to every PSU Fan to be Honorable and accept it was not what they were told, and have to stand up and condemn it, if they want to remain Honorable. After all they argued, agreed, boasted, and demanded they just wanted the full truth....and I can wait for the Cases to give it to them.

As well as be fair to Joe Paterno that cannot defend himself today so his family is doing it for him. I understand how they feel and believe too, and in all honesty maybe Joe did not disclose everything to them as the Insurance Companies discovered and the Judge ruled, their are Sealed Documents that nothing in 1970s went beyond Joe and the AD. Until those Documents are Unsealed or the Victim recants them, or Penn State Voluntarily with the Victim agrees to Unseal them, or the Media gets them by Court Order. I can wait!


We shall see?

 
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We are does not "reference success with honor." It's a straightforward 4 syllable cheer, nothing more.

And you know that.

No it isn't. And, your being this purposefully absolute about denying what it is the very reason everyone outside of your fan base views you as so deplorable.

"We are" is saying we are better than anyone else.

Which you aren't if people can't just simply admit the HC knew his defensive coordinator was a serial child molester.

You can't be both.

Rub the sense of self superiority in your primary rivals face for decades, the 70s through the 90s, Condescend, look down on, take shots at them.
Then after this most abhorrent thing becomes open public knowledge, want to just try to put your head in the sand and act like it never happened.

You can do in your bubble and feel all self righteous.

But, if you do it in the home stadium of the university you sat in holy judgement over for decades, you are going to get what is coming.
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One thing I know ---- I've been to 20+ Penn State games outside of State College since November 2011 --- and I only have experienced one Sandusky/sex scandal related taunt.

If Pittsburgh fans do act as you insinuate --- Pittsburgh fans will be the outlier.

However --- I do have confidence that Pittsburgh Panthers fans are better than that.

Prove me right.

I saw a thread on BWI where you got pummeled for saying this so I believe you.
 
They talk about this game as if they were heading to Morgantown. Guess it makes them feel superior to act like Pitt fans are some kind of low lifes. They have very short memories and forget how some BIG ten teams have complained of bad treatment at Beaver Stadium. Win lose or draw, they will fabricate stories after the game citing things that made their trip to Heinz intolerable. They all suck.
 
Oh Good Lord. Get over yourself already. I guess throwing urine filled balloons on opposing bands is acceptable in Happy Valley, but Pitt fans somehow distorting a cheer in Heinz Field is somehow more offensive? Really?

I never said "throwing urine filled balloons" was "acceptable." Nice distortion of my argument.

What I am saying ---- Pittsburgh Panthers fans, if they act poorly on September 10, will be an outlier fan base in terms of fanbase reactions that I have personally seen since November 2011.
 
what a dumb thread.



are you people worried about crowd issues when the psu fan base comes to Heinz field?

I am genuinely curious being that many of my fellow bwi posters seem to be concerned about potential violence at Heinz field. Do Pitt fans share the same concerns?
 
"We are" is saying we are better than anyone else.
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No, that's "success with honor" that insinuates that. If some PSU fan on September 10 starts chanting about that, yes, let them have it.

But "We are"? That does not say "we are better than anyone else." It's a damn 4 syllable cheer that's been said at PSU football games for several decades now. If that sets you off, you're simply looking to fight.
 
So the cult is scared to have to deal with someone calling them out!

People have been "calling out" Penn State folk for 4 1/2 years now. It's not like "Penn State has escaped judgment for 4 1/2 years now, and Pitt fans on September 10 will be the first to do anything."

I'm not scared of being at Heinz Field on September 10. I plan to be there.
 
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