Yes, the several decades that started with the success with honor meme.
"We are" is an affirmation of the "success with honor" meme.
"We are" "better than anyone else"
Again, the willing dishonesty ...
Are you people worried about crowd issues when PSU comes to Heinz?
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Yes, the several decades that started with the success with honor meme.
"We are" is an affirmation of the "success with honor" meme.
"We are" "better than anyone else"
Again, the willing dishonesty ...
No other opposing fan base has been subjected to decades worth of PSU fan's unwarranted ridicule, insult, arrogant condescending and boorish behavior. No other opposing fan base has had to put up with decades of PSU's sanctimonious nonsense to the degree Pitt has. You looked down your collective noses at Pitt...and it turns out all your bluster about "Success with Honor" was just a charade and nothing more than an effective marketing campaign that the PSU cult of personality swallowed hook, line and sinker. You reap what you sow.
When you put yourself on a pedestal that you built for your own self aggrandizement and it crumbles beneath you, you shouldn't be surprised when those you derided for decades get their own shots in. However it seems like PSU fans are all arm, no glove.
Yes. I'm very worried about crowd issues, especially given how much the vitriol exploded after the sanctions. I'm very, very glad it's a noon start. I debated not going if it was in prime time given I didn't want to be around so many unruly drunks. Of course, I'd have my ticket to another Pitt in the family if I didn't attend.
Also they appropriated "We Are" from Marshall University.
Actually they copied the University of Southern California.
Of course you didn't. That's the whole point. You can't come on here and act so self-righteous when you're OWN fanbase has acted as poorly or arguably worse than any words opposing fans could use.
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I get the strange impression that a certain segment of The Cult believes that a win over Pitt will somehow exonerate/expunge/purify/erase/put in the rear view mirror The Penn State Scandal once and for all, and that beating the Panthers becomes some form of restoration of Success With Honor.
Uh-uh. It's only a football game. Not a get out of jail free card.
The stain on Penn State remains, win or lose, at least until the Three Stooges stand trial or the last JoeBot is silenced. Whichever comes first.
Uh-uh. It's only a football game. Not a get out of jail free card.
The stain on Penn State remains, win or lose, at least until the Three Stooges stand trial or the last JoeBot is silenced. Whichever comes first.
OF COURSE throwing urine water balloons at people is unacceptable.
Did I really need to make that disclaimer before I made my post?
Back to why I even got involved in this thread in the first place --- sharing my personal experiences of non-State College Penn State games in the post-November 2011 era. Nearly universally positive.
Cool. Perhaps stating your opinion like this instead of the wording you chose may have helped. It came off very self-righteous IMHO.
Actually, I think it's exactly the opposite. It's not about redemption – I think even those lunatics understand that is never coming back. It's about not completely losing their identity.
I think for the longest time they have defined themselves personally by the success and perceived integrity of their football program. Therefore any impugning of Joe Paterno's integrity, or the integrity of that football program, is on some level personally insulting to them. That's obviously an extremely strange phenomenon but that's a topic for another day.
That leaves them with on-field success as their only rope to cling to. Then, late last week, the line for the Pitt game comes out and they are 9-point underdogs and that has obviously left them all very concerned.
They are very concerned that they're going to come to Pittsburgh and get their asses kicked by a program they do not respect and which is even less far along in its rebuilding process; and that they will have their noses rubbed in it all along the way - which, BTW, is definitely going to happen.
So, what do you do in that case if you're a Penn State fan? Why, you go to the old Paterno playbook and you start preemptively complaining about fan behavior that you have not yet experienced.
I thought you said that you've only experienced one Paterno/Sandusky taunt in all your years of attending Penn State football road games. If that's true, then you have yet to face the music in an opposing stadium.
So, which is it? Are you a parody account too or just another in a very long line of completely insane Penn State fans?
Penn State has been "called out" and has "faced the music" over the last 4 1/2 years. (1) relevant parties have been fired/indicted/found guilty, (2) the football program and the school itself faced and served substantial penalties, (3) everyone knows about the situation, everyone knows the Penn State story, it is something that people will generally think about/associate when they hear "Penn State."
It's not like nothing has happened for 4 1/2 years.
I get it, you want us to "face the music" further. And part of that "facing that music" is bringing up JoePa/"Ped State"/Sandusky to PSU folks who on September 10 will be behaving themselves and not going down that road.
Fair enough.
Since the whole Sandusky/PSU story broke why is it that PSU fans reflexively position themselves as the poor put upon victims? It is so tone deaf as to be insulting.
Also when are you going to address the issue regarding decades of arrogant, abusive and condescending behavior by PSU fans towards Pitt and our fans? Given that the teams haven't played since 2000, this is Pitt's first opportunity to give PSU fans the business.
I understand many of you refuse to acknowledge any complicity by PSU or the football program. You would much prefer to pretend the whole thing never happened...but it did and your traditionally sanctimonious fans are going to hear about it without doubt. As I posted previously, you reap what you sow. For Pitt fans PSU's national humiliation was the proverbial mustard seed that grew into a huge bush. Time for some retribution...a little tit for tat if you will.
Unfortunately, very accurate and may in the end become Joseph Vincent Paterno Legacy of Shame that cannot be refuted and misled many Penn State Alumni and Fans and targeted Competitors with arrogance and ignorance.
Any Penn State Fan embracing those Slogans over Misdeeds of not just one of Penn State own that practiced and lived his life as an Abuser of Children all his life, but more at Penn State.
Sadly, Penn State Coach, Alumnus and Employee Gerry Sandusky was embraced by these Penn State Slogans and enabled directly or indirectly by all of Penn State University.
The Penn State University of that past is what cannot ever be admired, respected, and honored. Every Penn State Fan has to live with those Misdeeds Of Dishonor that ended up Shaming Penn State Name and that won't ever change.
If Penn State Alumni want to Honor Penn State University now then adopt, embrace, and practice the teaching of the words within their own Alma Mater Songs over any one man, women, or persons that brought shame with such slogans they could not live up to beyond hypocrisy that chose protecting a Football Program over protecting Children?
For the record, we realize that the urine filled balloons being thrown at people was wrong. Similarly, the racist verbal attacks at visitin fans, specifically Ohio state fans was out of line. Also, the YouTube videos showing us physically and verbally assaulting visiting fans makes us hang our heads in shame.
These people doing this are generally out of control students and we can't seem to get this group in check. In time, hopefully things change.
I just hope for civility.
These people doing this are generally out of control students and we can't seem to get this group in check. In time, hopefully things change.
I just hope for civility.
MBE34 Quote was always spot on and the Truth that every Penn State Fan has to admit a Mea Culpa (Through My Fault) to all of College Football not just Pitt!
MBE34 got it right all along!
Not really, it came from USC and USC Fans hate any association when Penn State adopted it, and still does, and another indication of Slogans over Honor Reality!
I can link the Origins of that True reality again misled by Penn State university to every student that enrolled there based on that lie too?
Anyone who went to Pitt - Penn State games in the past know the intensity of the game. Dont be concerned about it, embrace and enjoy it. I had plenty of insults thrown our way as a visiting Pitt fan in State College.. The other Big Ten schools havent held back with their chants towards Penn State so why should we ? Its college football. Cant wait.
No, I don't care what happens to you.
I'm just not interested in having a fan of a program that was clearly severely broken lecture me on proper fan behavior whenever his own fan base continues to display extremely disturbing and defiant behavior in the wake of the worst scandal in the history of college athletics.
You are not getting this, buddy. You can no longer travel on the high road. You have forever ceded that right in your zest to further deify the dead pedophile protector.
Sheep. prepare to meet the shears.
I never positioned myself as a "victim." I do not call myself a "victim." I'm a big boy, I can handle it.
Pittsburgh will be like Philadelphia, Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Lincoln, Dublin, NYC, East Lansing, et cetera --- or it won't be.
Exactly, that false bravado of a swagger based on hypocrisy was buried when The Penn State Football Scandal broke and the Icon was buried with Shame and the Penn State 2012 Reforms were put in to correct the corruption of The Paterno Era!
Slogans Are Not Honor As Proven By Failure Of History:
Slogans Of The SS!
Mehr Sein Als Scheinen = Be More Than You Appear!
Deustchesland uber alles = Fatherland Above All Else!
Idm Die Treue Brechen = To Break Trust is To Be Unfaithful!
Man, there is a lot of vitriol and irrational thought in this thread. When is that game? Sept 10th? Saturday at noon, right? So it should end around 3:30?
I will pledge this to any visiting Penn State fans. If I see someone from PSU being seriously abused, especially women or children, and being injured or harmed and I hope and pray this does not happen, do not expect me to turn a blind eye.
Because if I see something like this happen? I will, well first I will have a nice dinner, then go to a bar or home, have some drinks and watch some college football. Sunday? The NFL opens up, so will watch some NFL. But on Monday morning when I get around to it, I promise to report it to some authority figure. I just don't want to bother them and ruin their weekend. That would be inconsiderate. And trust me, I will give them as vague as possible description of some sort of "violent natured act", just so not to upset anyone.
Cheers.
I will pledge this to any visiting Penn State fans. If I see someone from PSU being seriously abused, especially women or children, and being injured or harmed and I hope and pray this does not happen, do not expect me to turn a blind eye.
Because if I see something like this happen? I will, well first I will have a nice dinner, then go to a bar or home, have some drinks and watch some college football. Sunday? The NFL opens up, so will watch some NFL. But on Monday morning when I get around to it, I promise to report it to some authority figure. I just don't want to bother them and ruin their weekend. That would be inconsiderate. And trust me, I will give them as vague as possible description of some sort of "violent natured act", just so not to upset anyone.
Cheers.
Have PSU fans treated Temple, Michigan, UVA, Nebraska, Boston College or MSU with the same condescending disdain heaped upon Pitt for decades?...a convenient omission on your part...again
Exactly, the most decent, terrific, and outstanding persons I personally and professionally know that graduated and loves Dear Old Penn State has embraced that something terribly went wrong at that Football Program and brought the Penn State Football Program Scandal upon Penn State University and shamed Penn State's name. Nothing else!
They have accepted and agree in the adoption of The Penn State University 2012 Reforms that Penn State Trustees put in to correct The Paterno Football Era recognizing that Paterno help build the Penn State Football Program but also got out of Institutional Control and almost got The Death Penalty. The Trustees have the courage to blame and admit they were at fault too, in a greater and true Penn State fashion of Honor with the Reforms than anything from Success with Honor slogan.
Time for Penn State Alumni and Fans to quit attacking the very people that put in the Reforms that prove Penn State was not winning with Success with Honor, but with Silence and Cover-Ups and that won't ever happen again when one Coach becomes bigger than the University.
When Penn State Award Winning Sara Ganim goes up on the Mural and Paterno and Spanier are taken away, one will know what it means to be a true Blue and White Faithful Righteous Alumnus that defines true Honor!
The Paterno Family also have a right to defend and honor Joseph Vincent Paterno with their own Museum on Private Property in State College that recognizes his Accomplishments of Autumn, for Football Fans that choose to remember all the many good things Joe did too, but must be separate from Penn State University!
As time goes by, bringing back Joe will just cause more pain not correct any wrongs and as social values continue to move towards moral rights and wrongs, some motto's, statutes, and crest change or are taken down, as seen at Harvard, State Flags, and Founding Fathers or Southern Monuments. The longer these Lawsuits and Criminal Cases take to resolve even on appeal the better for Penn State quiet realization that Fans come from Fanatics that were not always right in their beliefs or behavior!
This will happen someday and no Lawsuit can bring back any Name that brought shame to Penn State Name, it is and must be always about Penn State University not any one Man or Coach.
This is how every Penn State Alumnus that loves Dear Old State will tell anyone that ask them,........."Look, Many Things Went Wrong But I Am Proud How My University Took Back Control, Became Accountable, And Made Sure That Tragedy Never Happens Again, With Reforms That Are A Model Of Excellence Today!
I moved on let's enjoy, talk, and watch some Footbal!
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I don't know. I recently cleared the 40-years-on-Planet Earth milestone and I've only seen ONE Pittsburgh game in State College (1997). Only one opportunity for us Penn State folk to heap "condescending disdain" upon Pittsburgh. Honestly, 1997 seemed like all was fine to me.
Maybe things were horrible in 1999. I wasn't at that game. Yes, Lavar Arrington held Greg DeBolt in "condescending disdain" that afternoon. I do remember that.
Maybe Pittsburgh fans faced "condescending disdain" in the early 1990s .... 1980s .... 1970s ....... Fair enough. Half of planet Earth has zero personal recollection of that time, however.
Your premise is ass-backwards. We SHOULD mock the whole cult presence. Joe knew, ducked his moral responsibility, and children were raped by his staff member. No free pass is available. The thousands of GOOD psu fans agree. Others....not so much. I have NO confidence in the bulk of psu fans. It'll be an interesting day.
Goofball....the other fans haven't been exposed to decades of outrageous pomposity from fans of the state ag school who value football wins more than children. Reap what you sow.
1997 was walts 2nd game if I recall. 34-17 ish score. Pitt played well. 98 in pitt was supposed to be a Nittany beat down but they escaped with a 13-7 win against a 2 win pitt team. 99 was lavar. Saw fights in 98 and 99. Some good ones in student section
A noon start prevents the crowd from getting out of hand.
Minor residual violence and taunting will commence after the game when people are drunker.
PSU fans should expect to have Paterno's rape enabling thrown in their faces. The higher he built his pedestal, the higher they followed him. Now they can fall with him.
I won't be able to make the game but I have a great idea for a sign:
JACKIE SHERRILL & BARRY SWITZER WOULDA CALLED THE COPS
Minor residual violence and taunting will commence after the game when people are drunker.
PSU fans should expect to have Paterno's rape enabling thrown in their faces. The higher he built his pedestal, the higher they followed him. Now they can fall with him.
I won't be able to make the game but I have a great idea for a sign:
JACKIE SHERRILL & BARRY SWITZER WOULDA CALLED THE COPS
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