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the more I watch his guy, the less I think of him. You talk about players who do the small stuff, the effort stuff, that wins close games-going after loose balls, getting a hand on a pass, going strong for rebounds, making crisp passes, coming to the ball and presenting hard when receiving a pass, making sharp cuts, cutting hard off screens,finishing around the rim, etc.

He does none of that stuff. That rebound that came right to him while he was flat footed under the rim ended up in that B.S. "save" off Jones that resulted in the review and GT possession. That lazy pass he threw that was deflected-the call was wrong but that was a lazy, careless pass. He had a loose ball at his feet in the last couple minutes and barely reached for it.

This is not a one game observation, it's been going on all year. He is not an effort guy, he simply doesn't play hard. So when he's not scoring, he really hurts us, because he doesn't contribute in any other way.

His passing is maddening. So lax, so careless. You'd think having been a PG at one point he would be a good passer.

This team really struggles to finish a close game. That is a direct reflection on our top 3 players. Once again, Robinson was awful when it mattered the most.

Very disappointing all the way around.
 
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thebadby2 said:
the more I watch his guy, the less I think of him. You talk about players who do the small stuff, the effort stuff, that wins close games-going after loose balls, getting a hand on a pass, going strong for rebounds, making crisp passes, coming to the ball and presenting hard when receiving a pass, making sharp cuts, cutting hard off screens,finishing around the rim, etc.

He does none of that stuff. That rebound that came right to him while he was flat footed under the rim ended up in that B.S. "save" off Jones that resulted in the review and GT possession. That lazy pass he threw that was deflected-the call was wrong but that was a lazy, careless pass. He had a loose ball at his feet in the last couple minutes and barely reached for it.

This is not a one game observation, it's been going on all year. He is not an effort guy, he simply doesn't play hard. So when he's not scoring, he really hurts us, because he doesn't contribute in any other way.

His passing is maddening. So lax, so careless. You'd think having been a PG at one point he would be a good passer.

This team really struggles to finish a close game. That is a direct reflection on our top 3 players. Once again, Robinson was awful when it mattered the most.

Very disappointing all the way around.
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No, that will be very popular, because it is correct.
 
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the more I watch his guy, the less I think of him. You talk about players who do the small stuff, the effort stuff, that wins close games-going after loose balls, getting a hand on a pass, going strong for rebounds, making crisp passes, coming to the ball and presenting hard when receiving a pass, making sharp cuts, cutting hard off screens,finishing around the rim, etc.

He does none of that stuff. That rebound that came right to him while he was flat footed under the rim ended up in that B.S. "save" off Jones that resulted in the review and GT possession. That lazy pass he threw that was deflected-the call was wrong but that was a lazy, careless pass. He had a loose ball at his feet in the last couple minutes and barely reached for it.

This is not a one game observation, it's been going on all year. He is not an effort guy, he simply doesn't play hard. So when he's not scoring, he really hurts us, because he doesn't contribute in any other way.

His passing is maddening. So lax, so careless. You'd think having been a PG at one point he would be a good passer.

This team really struggles to finish a close game. That is a direct reflection on our top 3 players. Once again, Robinson was awful when it mattered the most.

Very disappointing all the way around.
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I don't think you'll get many arguments
 
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There was one sequence where he lost his man and he just stood there at the foul line. Didn't bother picking someone else up... maybe try to block out... just stood there.

If there is one guy who is the anti-Dixon/Howland player it is Artis.
 
Why would this not be popular ? Any Pitt hoops fan will agree with this , he's as lazy as they come .. Runs his mouth and does nothing the last 2 games , most important games .. He's not a winner .. Plain and simple .. You would think after last year this group of guys would do everything in their power to do it different this time around .. But no .. They fall over and die again .. PATHETIC
 
Black_Man_Panther said:
There was one sequence where he lost his man and he just stood there at the foul line. Didn't bother picking someone else up... maybe try to block out... just stood there.

If there is one guy who is the anti-Dixon/Howland player it is Artis.
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JJ Moore with a better shot basically.
 
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I hate to say this but Artis might be addition by subtraction? He seems to infect the the other players in terms of effort. He seems to get Young going the wrong way. Also you can cover one guy not playing great D and such but 2 in not easy.
 
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thebadby2 said:
the more I watch his guy, the less I think of him. You talk about players who do the small stuff, the effort stuff, that wins close games-going after loose balls, getting a hand on a pass, going strong for rebounds, making crisp passes, coming to the ball and presenting hard when receiving a pass, making sharp cuts, cutting hard off screens,finishing around the rim, etc.

He does none of that stuff. That rebound that came right to him while he was flat footed under the rim ended up in that B.S. "save" off Jones that resulted in the review and GT possession. That lazy pass he threw that was deflected-the call was wrong but that was a lazy, careless pass. He had a loose ball at his feet in the last couple minutes and barely reached for it.

This is not a one game observation, it's been going on all year. He is not an effort guy, he simply doesn't play hard. So when he's not scoring, he really hurts us, because he doesn't contribute in any other way.

His passing is maddening. So lax, so careless. You'd think having been a PG at one point he would be a good passer.

This team really struggles to finish a close game. That is a direct reflection on our top 3 players. Once again, Robinson was awful when it mattered the most.

Very disappointing all the way around.
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It gets back to recruiting and coaching. Who recruited him and the other players on the roster, and who allowed him to get away with all these habits? This is not his 1st year.
 
thebadby2 said:
the more I watch his guy, the less I think of him. You talk about players who do the small stuff, the effort stuff, that wins close games-going after loose balls, getting a hand on a pass, going strong for rebounds, making crisp passes, coming to the ball and presenting hard when receiving a pass, making sharp cuts, cutting hard off screens,finishing around the rim, etc.

He does none of that stuff. That rebound that came right to him while he was flat footed under the rim ended up in that B.S. "save" off Jones that resulted in the review and GT possession. That lazy pass he threw that was deflected-the call was wrong but that was a lazy, careless pass. He had a loose ball at his feet in the last couple minutes and barely reached for it.

This is not a one game observation, it's been going on all year. He is not an effort guy, he simply doesn't play hard. So when he's not scoring, he really hurts us, because he doesn't contribute in any other way.

His passing is maddening. So lax, so careless. You'd think having been a PG at one point he would be a good passer.

This team really struggles to finish a close game. That is a direct reflection on our top 3 players. Once again, Robinson was awful when it mattered the most.

Very disappointing all the way around.
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-Well, we need him. If you examine the last 5 games Pitt has lost, Artis was next to a no show in each of those losses. When he plays well, Pitt plays well. When his game goes into a fog, the team folds. If we are going to win any more games, he needs to turn it around or we are done.
 
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It gets back to recruiting and coaching. Who recruited him and the other players on the roster, and who allowed him to get away with all these habits? This is not his 1st year.
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JD Being a defense and effort guy, it's hard to imagine that he can tolerate the lack of effort out of this kid. I know everyone on this board is sick of me invoking Izzo all the time, but this friggin guy would be on Izzo's bench until he was ready to give max effort, regardless of his importance. That's about the only way a coach can really get the message across to a player like this. So the small stuff, play hard, or sit your ass on the bench and watch the other guys do it.

Problem is, I think it's too late to do that this season, and we need Artis' scoring too much to risk sitting him right now.
 
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whole roster is a collection of role players. Can't sustain a program with that kind of recruiting. Guards are pathetic, lower Div. 1 caliber.
 
thebadby2 said:
JD Being a defense and effort guy, it's hard to imagine that he can tolerate the lack of effort out of this kid. I know everyone on this board is sick of me invoking Izzo all the time, but this friggin guy would be on Izzo's bench until he was ready to give max effort, regardless of his importance. That's about the only way a coach can really get the message across to a player like this. So the small stuff, play hard, or sit your ass on the bench and watch the other guys do it.

Problem is, I think it's too late to do that this season, and we need Artis' scoring too much to risk sitting him right now.
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We played better with him out of the game - His play right out of halftime started the ball rolling against us
 
I'd would be great if Jamie sent a message and didn't start Artis this week. It won't happen but should get his attention.
 
Black_Man_Panther said:
The second half, Dixon continued to run the offense thru him. Dixon is a f'


And then you have Dixon running the offense thru him! WTF is wrong w/ Dixon? I thought he saw thru this guy after he pulled him shortly into the second half after just another lazy play where he let the guy dribble right past him for an easy layup... but no... he was back in there. 32 minutes for this guy is a crime... and Dixon has gone full-blown STUPID.
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I totally agree with you - Dixon had stumbled upon something with the Young - Jeter - Smith - Wilson - Robinson lineup. He was just not smart enough to see how far he could ride it. Things may have gone bad anyway but there is no doubt that Artis play hurt Pitt greatly at the start of the second half - none.

Jamie took him out (for what one possession) and immediately put him back in.
 
gary2 said:
I totally agree with you - Dixon had stumbled upon something with the Young - Jeter - Smith - Wilson - Robinson lineup. He was just not smart enough to see how far he could ride it. Things may have gone bad anyway but there is no doubt that Artis play hurt Pitt greatly at the start of the second half - none.

Jamie took him (for what one possession) and immediately put him back in.
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Artis just played his worst 2 games of the season. And his turnovers have been through the roof the last 6 games.
 
gary2 said:
I totally agree with you - Dixon had stumbled upon something with the Young - Jeter - Smith - Wilson - Robinson lineup. He was just not smart enough to see how far he could ride it. Things may have gone bad anyway but there is no doubt that Artis play hurt Pitt greatly at the start of the second half - none.

Jamie took him (for what one possession) and immediately put him back in.
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How about the last game when the refs were calling every little contact inside and Dixon allowed his team to keep shooting jump shots all game while VT kept heading to the line??

Dixon needs to go.
 
As fans there is so much that we really don't know that is probably destroying that locker room right now. Again, all on Dixon.
 
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I totally agree with you - Dixon had stumbled upon something with the Young - Jeter - Smith - Wilson - Robinson lineup. He was just not smart enough to see how far he could ride it. Things may have gone bad anyway but there is no doubt that Artis play hurt Pitt greatly at the start of the second half - none.

Jamie took him out (for what one possession) and immediately put him back in.
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I'd like to see what would happen if we started Luther in Artis' place and make Jeter the first man off the bench for the 3-5. If there's one guy on this team other than JROB who plays hard and does the small stuff, it's Luther. He is everything Artis is not In that department. To make up for Artis' perimeter offense, Jones could take on a bigger offensive role, play more minutes and take more shots,, he has earned it with the way he has played since becoming a starter.
 
O'k, I'm confused, is Jamie Dixon a good coach or a terrible one. Artis is by a landslide the most popular whipping boy on this board, but at the same time, Dixon has had him play the 2nd most minutes on the team for the year. More than Mike Young, only JRob with more. But then again, that may make sense because JRob is running a close second for favorite whipping boy on this board.

JRob's minutes I get, no real other options. But if Artis is so bad, Dixon should be able to see that and he does have other options at his disposal to reduce his minutes. He sat MYoung as starter one game and has definitely reduced his minutes in others. But I don't think he's ever done that with Artis.

So if he is so terrible, that must really be an indictment of Dixon more than anything?????????????????
 
So Luther missed a shot, had 2 TO's, and gets benched. Artis sucks out loud, is disinterested, has no rebounds, & gets 34 minutes. Ok, yeah I don't get it.
 
It is tough to watch Artis play recently. He has been virtually useless unless our opponent plays zone. We don't see enough zone to keep playing him. How in the hell do you get 11 rebounds against the Cuse and None in 34 mins vs. GT? He has lost all his confidence, and ACC ball just seems like it is too much for him. Maybe he is just not in good enough physical condition and is to worn down. I have noticed that his shot has flattened out somewhat and maybe it is a result of him not having his legs under him at this point of the season.

Even so, I think it is time to move away from him. One must remember, he was sort of a plan B recruit that we took after some other misses. Maybe we just expect more than he can give. The problem with that is that he has shown great offensive instincts at times, and lately he looks like he belongs over at Robert Morris.

Have to wonder now if our bid has gone up in smoke?
 
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I'd like to see what would happen if we started Luther in Artis' place and make Jeter the first man off the bench for the 3-5. If there's one guy on this team other than JROB who plays hard and does the small stuff, it's Luther. He is everything Artis is not In that department. To make up for Artis' perimeter offense, Jones could take on a bigger offensive role, play more minutes and take more shots,, he has earned it with the way he has played since becoming a starter.
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Horrible idea! Luther cannot handle the ball and needs to stay at the 4 or 5! I think Artis plays do many minutes because he is the only guy Dixin can semi trust with the ball outside of Robinson ... Which is increasingly becoming a problem. I agree Artis needs to sit but not sure what options we have
 
PittPoker said:
You are such a hypocrite. in an earlier post you said he was overmatched today like you approved his 6 minutes of court time.

Guy should have been on the court for at least 15-20 minutes.
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Artis getting 32 minutes while being garbage was irritating .
Hope that helps the simple.

Luther was also hot garbage today
 
SoufOaklin4Life said:
Artis getting 32 minutes while being garbage was irritating .
Hope that helps the simple
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You are twisting it. If you are upset that Artis got 32 minutes while playing like garbage, that would mean you wanted Luther to play more. But based on only 6 minutes you declared him overmatched. C'mon.
 
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You are twisting it. If you are upset that Artis got 32 minutes while playing like garbage, that would mean you wanted Luther to play more. But based on only 6 minutes you declared him overmatched. C'mon.
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Nope...
We played best with jeter/Maia, young , Wilson , smith, James .

You're not very observant .

Let someone more clever than you play gotcha with me.
 
PittPoker said:
As fans there is so much that we really don't know that is probably destroying that locker room right now. Again, all on Dixon.
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I'll go back to the NIT game last year when they went into the tank on Dixon, it was sad to watch, same players, Young seemed to want it today.
 
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Horrible idea! Luther cannot handle the ball and needs to stay at the 4 or 5! I think Artis plays do many minutes because he is the only guy Dixin can semi trust with the ball outside of Robinson ... Which is increasingly becoming a problem. I agree Artis needs to sit but not sure what options we have
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I thought about all those very same things Crim, and those are valid concerns. I think it comes down to whether the opponent is playing zone or man, as another poster pointed out Artis has struggled badly against man defense. On the other hand, against man D Luther has enough handle and perimeter game to pull a big out of the paint and either take him off the dribble, shoot over him or feed the ball to the post or a cutter from the high position.

I don't know, it's not an easy one. But it's also not acceptable to have a guy who won't give max effort and focus in critical games. Artis could have had his miserable 6 points and I wouldn't have a beef, if he had played hard, collected rebounds that he could have had, went after loose balls, protected the ball, been careful and crisp with his passing, and exerted some effort on defense. He did none of the above, and it killed us today. His laziness in the last couple of minutes was the biggest contributor to the loss IMO.

I'd just as soon see what R-Luke could/would do with those minutes. I'd trade Artis' overrated ball handling and offense for Luther's effort and scrappiness at this point. On top of that, I think Luke has some pretty good offensive skills to boot. I'll tell you one thing, that rebound that came right to Artis and ended up out of bounds off Jones would never have happened had Luther been there instead. It would have been Pitt ball for sure.
 
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