Austin/Jeffress
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Uh all those crappy forced shots by the big time players and this is your conclusion?
Yea, Fede's offensive game hasn't evolved like I hoped it would. This is still a good team, just not as good as we hoped it might be.
Would be nice if Marlon Barnes was something closer to being in the vicinity of the other two freshmen.
Austin had 10 in 23 minutes, Jorge had 3 in 7 minutes. On a per minute basis those are pretty much the same.
You can't play a guy 7 minutes all game and expect much of a contribution.
Well, fwiw, it's not like the coach has made an effort to get something out of him. I felt we should have been running some sets in the first 4 games to *try* to get some interior offense. Yes, it was great to win the first 4 like we did, but you also have to think bigger. Clearly, we are not going to get where we want to go just relying on Bub, Blake and Ish. And I agree that expectations have come down given how soundly we were beaten tonight.
You cant rely on freshmen. Pitt got a little lucky with Carrington. Look at Florida. They brought in the MAAC and Big West players of the year in the backcourt.
My hope was this could be a Top 4 NCAAT team playing at PPG. We arent that. 8-9-10 type. But I'll take that.
agree .
another medicore season .
I , rooting on the team in the game thread gets attacked by a obnoxious fan.
another medicore season .
I , rooting on the team in the game thread gets attacked by a obnoxious fan.
Were we really soundly beaten tonight such that expectations are significantly reduced? Yeah looking at the final score you might think so. But it just seemed like they had a stretch in the 2nd half where they let the game get out of hand…bad shots, rushed shots, forced or careless turnovers, missed FTs.
Before that stretch in the 2nd half where they let the game get out of hand, they pretty much went toe to toe with Florida, particularly in the 1st half. Again, some carelessness at the end of the 1st half which quickly turned an almost entire 1st half lead into a 5-pt deficit.
If not for the ugly stretch of the 2nd half that put the game out of hand, there was really only one thing that swung things in the favor of Florida…a guy named Clayton that Pitt didn’t have an answer for. Samuel had his moments during that ugly stretch but Clayton was the primary difference maker.
Rather than putting a big damper on expectations, I’m hoping it’s just a good learning experience for the overall team not to mention the young guys like Carrington, Lowe, Austin.
Lowe can improve and can take some pressure and minutes off the main guns. I would expect some quality time against OSU, Mizz, and WVU. Maybe not Clemson, but let him play against the other P5. UF also landed some good young bigs. Kante would help. But bad luck with the young big hitting that 3 at end of half.
That felt like game the same way it felt like that when Chris Jones was inserted to D up Scottie Wilbekin on the last possession of the 1st Half in 2015 and he scored to put them up about 6. Didnt seem like we could come back from that. Bad end to the half. Pitt is up 34-31 with 45 seconds left and UF goes on an 8-0 run. Felt so deflating. If Clayton misses the 3 with 45 seconds left and we score, we maybe go into the half up 5 instead of down 5
I hope you're right and we learn and grow from this. But you can't just discount what *did* happen. We were outscored by 25 after the 19-10 start. This game exposed our shortcomings and played out how I feared it might. We have no inside game, lack physicality, and have only 3 legit scoring threats. The opponent's blueprint will be to focus on Bub and Blake and force others to beat them. We're going to need more from other guys if we expect a return trip to the NCAA's this year.
head in the clouds....... none of you know that much ...just sayin
what if i changed my avatar to a basketball guy.......unreal
what if i changed my avatar to a basketball guy.......unreal
That's the plan. Force Hinson into tough looks. Be physical with Bub. Limit those 2 and do hope Leggett doesn't go completely off and you are good. We really only have 3 guys on the court who can score. Last year we had 4. Though Elliott was a defensive liability. Austin/Jeffress is upgrade there but they cant score.
ah yes, Papa's vast playing experience would've been better than the guys 4 and 3 years older and stronger than him respectively. I keep seeing this on twitter, how can anyone comment as to what Kante would've helped us with last night. No one has seen him play a college game.
HIs highlights show a physical presence that we do not have at the 5 currently. DG and FF have no ability to hold their position and constantly get pushed out of position. PK played against some good bigs at EE. I realize he has not played in college but he is way more of a post player than FF or DG.
Kante probably helps with rebounding.... rebounding wasn't the problem in this game.
Maybe he wouldn’t have helped, but you never know. That freshman Aussie for Florida played really well.
It's a moot point. He's injured. Injuries happen. No one knows what he could've contributed or if he would've even been given the opportunity to contribute. Our 3rd string freshmen center would not have been worth 15 points. It's an absolutely insane thing to even mention.
Fair point, and I’m not saying he would’ve been worth that much. I’m kind of annoyed seeing people wonder “what if” with Dior… just move on. Maybe Kante will be a pleasant surprise next year, but yeah let’s just focus on what we have this year. Guys can always improve throughout the year.
Correct. Saying what if with Dior is just as pointless as Kante. They are not available
Yesterday I posted about how I was concerned
about our BIGS inside after watching FGCU
"manhandle" us down low. Florida of course,
like others we're gonna see, ain't FGCU. The
Twins are still very weak, as is Federiko. FU's
7 foot center got hurt and missed almost the
entire game, otherwise it would have been
worse.
Also Capel has to find a way to get our BIGS involved
more in our offense. We can't only rely on our
outside shooting. When a team outphysicals us
on the inside, and also on the outside, we see
the results.
Despite this, I think there's enough on this team
to bounce back from this. We come outta this
tourney 1-1, and it'll be a lot brighter.
about our BIGS inside after watching FGCU
"manhandle" us down low. Florida of course,
like others we're gonna see, ain't FGCU. The
Twins are still very weak, as is Federiko. FU's
7 foot center got hurt and missed almost the
entire game, otherwise it would have been
worse.
Also Capel has to find a way to get our BIGS involved
more in our offense. We can't only rely on our
outside shooting. When a team outphysicals us
on the inside, and also on the outside, we see
the results.
Despite this, I think there's enough on this team
to bounce back from this. We come outta this
tourney 1-1, and it'll be a lot brighter.
He would have been another body to throw in there. Felt like both Fede and Guillermo got pretty passive when they started to pick up some fouls. Maybe Kante being a guy that you could actually put in there would have allowed the other two guys to sustain more assertive defense for longer.
Samuel’s a tough matchup for our personnel, though. Almost would have been better for us if their starting center didn’t get hurt. Felt like Fede and G matched up better against him than they did when they put Samuel down there as that small ball 5. Would have liked to keep Samuel closer to the perimeter.
Yeah, he didn't develop anything. Get to post demand the ball and have a little turn around, a little ball fake power dribble and up, not even a baby hook which is a pretty simple shot. How about a 10ft baseline jumper? Austin needs to get more involved too. It has to be Jorge. He needs 10pt 6reb. They are too easy to defend.
A post strong enough to hold position swems
The obvious assumption -
Not that he’s a star -
Just a thick post player - which we lack
He’s injured so no
But having another post rotational piece against a physical team
Is always helpful
If he is sophomore Gary McGhee capable he’d help
Holding them back on one end of the floor but helping significantly on the other. For spacing purposes Austin has to start hitting those open looks. The points he got the other night weren’t the problem. The problem for me is that he doesn’t look like a guy who can go off for 20 points on a night that Blake or Ish doesn’t haven’t it. He’s really fighting his shot right now. He’s not going to ever be a 40% guy from beyond the arc with that hitch. But he needs to be a 30% guy and that hasn’t been near the case.
What made last years team as good as it was is that they had five guys who could score , right now this team only has three ( Blake Bub and Leggett ). What they need is someone to step forward and be able to carry the load when the three main scorers are having off nights . It doesn’t need to be Austin / Jeffress it can be the twins or Lowe , but someone needs to add some firepower .
With Fede and Austin/ Jeffress there’s just not enough options on offense against a team that plays good D .
With Fede and Austin/ Jeffress there’s just not enough options on offense against a team that plays good D .
We essentially traded Elliot for Austin. Elliot wasn't athletic enough to play defense but he could go off for 5 or 6 3s. Austin isnt a 3 point specialist like Elliot, who couldn't do much else but Austin has to at least shoot in the 30s from 3 like he did at Hight Point.
Good to see Austin find his shot again. He was a streaky shooter last year. I view him more as a replacement to Nike than Elliott. Nike also had a slowish start from three his first 5-6 games last year. But if we can get a consistent .30 plus from from Austin this team will be well balanced. Jeffress needs to make free throws in his limited offensive minutes.
Good comparison of Austin to Sibande. Zach appears to want to play defense and mix it up. What is he, 6'4" tops? Plays much taller. Greg seemed more the wing player who mostly want to shoot the 3 with little else (certainly not meant as a rap on Elliot)
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