Ironic that Ken Starr was so focused on sex between consenting adults, but couldn't lift a finger to do anything about forcible, NONconsensual sex.
Baylor Fires Art Briles
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Ironic that Ken Starr was so focused on sex between consenting adults, but couldn't lift a finger to do anything about forcible, NONconsensual sex.
Starr didn't initiate the Lewinsky case, he was hired as a special prosecutor. The Baylor thing is disgusting, their entire BOT should resign. No way that a town that size could keep stuff hidden.
And what successes did they truly have? Losing to a UCF team in a fiesta bowl everyone forgets happened? Losing a big lead to Michigan State in the cotton bowl?
No BCS bowl wins.
No national championships
Just a whole lotta points against Iowa State and West Virginia. Hooray.
No BCS bowl wins.
No national championships
Just a whole lotta points against Iowa State and West Virginia. Hooray.
It's still about 3 times bigger than State College, PA, though. So if a town the size of Waco couldn't keep stuff hidden, the entire world knows that stuff couldn't be hidden in State College. Except for those that insist on keeping their heads in the sand and remaining in denial, that is.
Then tell us who Linda Tripp gave her secretly recorded phone conversations to if not Ken Starr? And if she didn't give then directly to him, how did he come to I have them?
Revisions to history should be limited to internet message boards.
Revisions to history should be limited to internet message boards.
I've got the timing wrong. He was special counsel on the Espy case. Later investigated the Foster murder & Clinton/Lewinsky. Empowered by Congress.
To be fair, since joining the B1G, PSU has been smacked around like a middle of the road bitch. That hasn't stopped the Lion fans from demanding another trophy be put back up, or Joes name on the conference championship poster.
Given the differences in school histories, I would say the last 20 yrs of Joes career is no better than what Baylor saw under their former coach.
Guessing you also forgot about how Vince Foster's death was concluded to have been a suicide by inquiries/investigations conducted by the United States Park Police, the Department of Justice, the FBI, the United States Congress, Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske, and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, as well? Those pesky little details are so difficult when you are trying rewrite history.
You forgot ...
- Light candles
- Make sure all the record books are bronzed so that they could never take away any of his wins. If that happened, then those missing wins would be the real tragedy.
Starr will teach at Baylor instead. I hope he does not teach "Ethics".
There must be a JoeBot radar! They're all over the comment section following that article.
Fosters own sister just spoke for like the first time in 20 yrs about her brothers suicide and absolutely trashed Trump for bringing that up again...said her family went thru hell which was only made worse by complete horseshat wild conspiracy theories....
Call it what you will. Hillary sure had her hands all over his document stash, despite claiming to the contrary.
With the exception of Emperor Palpatine, nobody is more evil than Hillary, She should be in jail, but instead is running for President. Leftists are sheep.
Another Trilateral Commission plot, not doubt.
You are correct sir along with Pitt-Girl and others. I posted Art Briles was one of the Best Coaches in CFB the last 5 years, and both of you, as other Posters corrected me he was running a sloppy, unregulated, and dirty Program.Awhile back I was having a conversation on this board, maybe with Captain, and I mentioned winning in the B12 really became hard with the rise of TCU and Baylor. I then mentioned I hoped Patterson would leave TCU for a bigger job, and that I had a feeling Baylor would get hit with a big NCAA sanction and maybe force out Briles.
I didn't know anything about this situation at the time, just a gut feeling things at Baylor were too good to be true.
Now before any of you ask, yes, if WVU fires Dana at the end of the season, I hope they hire Briles....so suck it
I did not argue about that because I did not know but it alerted me to watch and see. I still stand by that Art Briles & Joe Paterno were Great Coaches especially on Game Prep, Game Day Plans, Game Day Sideline Coaching, and hard to beat and out work because they loved CFB.
I can separate Pure Coaching on Game Days from running and protecting the Football Program based on hidden decisions and using fund raising, threats, and intimidation that ends up hurting the University and their Coaching Legacy!
They are and were Great Coaches but leaving any Football Program Scandal that ruins any Shaming University's Name deserves less respect, recognition, and no commendation since Game Days are only one Day, but a University's Name & Football Program are Every Day!
Coaches can move on, retire and be fired, or die, but how they built there Programs and Won are nothing compared to how they left ruined legacies and today Universities understand they end being the Victims of slogans, attempts alleged cover-ups, and paying far more in the long run.
Baylor is taking action to Reform its Athletics just like Penn State University did, the differences is Baylor Fans are upset it happen, while some Penn State Fans are attacking anyone that reports on their University Scandal including the Victims and those that helped the Victims!
Big difference between coaching on Game Day versus a ruined legacy that last Every Day! I often posted about what was going wrong at Penn State Football Program. I was right on doing so and have no apologies recognizing the Good Coaching from the poor oversight of running the entire Football Program.
Coaches that stay too long, or hire Relatives or go in Business with Trustees, or attacks Media for asking questions about them and how they run the Program and are then banned, need Policies that prevent them from becoming Saints as Winners in the end and then cry about their own legacy costs?
I did not challenged what all of you said about Art Briles and kept it in mind as he won big in the Top Ten because I respected many of your posts here. I am thankful I was privileged to read it here first on the Lair from the Best Posters on Rivals!
I come here to learn and share about Pitt Football and College Football and enjoy seeing some Light Houses on the Lair shining Lights into the Foggy Mists of College Football Programs and Coaches helping see and avoid adoration of winning the wrong way to day.
Adoration of any Football Coach or Team or Player can become a disease that blinds oneself of his own values. This can perverts the soul, turning even the kindest of men and women into spiteful, malevolent bullies.
This kind of inner cultural personalities carries over to followers into a Culture of pervasive contempt for anyone criticizing what they love and think is wholesome. This includes Religions, Politics, and Sports!
The entertaining mechanism about notoriety especially the kind of winning that needs adulation, celebrity for fame's sake and using it to attack opponents grows beyond control. If unrestrained, it certainly can leads to wrongdoing and often does in ways many thought were not wrong.
When Penn State allowed the use of irrational thinking Paterno’s off the record comments on destroy the reputations of Barry Switzer and Jackie Sherrill, with his Grand Experiments failure, came back on him and the University in the end.
Standing Stoic in Silence does not cut it anymore.
I agree and see your points as well. There is a reason why Hillary and Trump both have high unfavorable ratings, and no conspiracy about it, just on what they say versus what they do, and easy to look at anyone and see flaws and all as they try to become others to love them in awe as they jaw against each other.
The only point I was seeking to make was sarcasm.
By the way, several Baylor boosters are trying to get Briles' imminent termination changed to a one year suspension. They say that he didn't do anything wrong, that it was all Ken Starr's fault.
If the school had an ounce of sense they'd tell those morons to get lost.
If the school had an ounce of sense they'd tell those morons to get lost.
I am really, really starting to hate college football. It has become a joke. With the dumbest, worst fans of any sport. Show me a college football fan, and I will show you a Walmart employee who wants $15/hour.
I guess the only thing keeping them from pressing for a statue of Briles is lack of longevity.
Now that the dust is settling and the reality of being a Big 12 (-2) bottom feeder is starting to look likely, I'm not sure Baylor Nation is as upset as before.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...s-bob-simpson-booster-want-briles-back-061316
Owt read this, I am sure alot of people feel the same way...pretty good article /http://gridironnow.com/college-football-ignoring-voices-victims-abuse-like-mine/
Join the club, but every Summer and Autumn.....just when I think I am out......they pull me back in again!!!! My Hypocrisy goes only so far!
College Football Programs need way more 409 Clean Ups not a University that allows any Coach staying too long to break 409 Record one week and the next week fired due to a Scandal that had to remove a Statue.
At the same time, the real debate should be, not bringing back any Statue but why take down a Reporters Pulitzer Prize of a PSU Alumnus in Sara Ganim not afraid to put a Spotlight on the Penn State University Football Program Scandals?
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The Best and Brightest at Baylor University know it is far easier to replace a Disgraced Head Football Coach that won many Games than any thoughts of honoring his return, even it means accepting Baylor Booster's Outrage.
Baylor is getting out ahead to avoid Penn State Denials and Mistakes on dealing with the Penn State Football Scandal in College Football History and Baylor is making sure it does not want to break that level of corruption still in denial and going on for 6 years, after 14 years of cover-ups, and now maybe 40 plus years too?
It is no coincidence that The Penn State Football Program Scandal has led to Pepper Hamilton being hired to investigate, clean up, and reform Baylor Football Program.
Baylor is getting out ahead to avoid Penn State Denials and Mistakes on dealing with the Penn State Football Scandal in College Football History and Baylor is making sure it does not want to break that level of corruption still in denial and going on for 6 years, after 14 years of cover-ups, and now maybe 40 plus years too?
Good post, I feel let any and all Baylor's Boosters honor Briles if they want with their own Private Banquet and Museum they pay for on their own, if they so wish, but even they will hesitate until they see the future Court of Public Opinion?
The Baylor Task Force Investigative Report is still ongoing and that call is by the University alone. Yet, Public Opinion will rule in the end, after reading all the allegations of the Women whom suffered and became victims on cover-ups, just so Baylor could win in the Top Ten playing Players that needed to be suspended not starting.
I doubt Briles will be back, the University still has to deal Brile's Coaching Staff that includes some of Briles Relatives but they are being careful to avoid Lawsuits and possible use Buyouts.
It is no coincidence that The Penn State Football Program Scandal has led to Pepper Hamilton being hired to investigate, clean up, and reform Baylor Football Program.
Or let the New Head Coach choose whom he wants and if that is Interim Head Coach Jim Grobe. Yet, Baylor U may just want an entire fresh start and find a New Head Coach with no former ties to the Brile's Program?
Why Penn State does not settle with the Paterno's, Some Trustees, Former Players, Alumni, and PS4RS and just cooperate in giving Penn State University Football Property and Historic Paraphernalia Rights for them to build a Private Museum off Campus and in State College with the Statue in Front.
In that way, those that want to Honor Joe's Accomplishments of Autumn can go and pay and cry over him with tears from his years.
This would allow the University to move on for the present and future and under the Penn State 2012 Reforms and in full compliance. As well as end costly legal fees?
Each year as time goes by, new Coaches & Alumni will no longer remember Joe just like the Liberace Museum in Las Vegas that closed because no one remembers him anymore since he died over 30 years ago.
One can separate a Coaches Game Day Prep and coaching from Non-Compliance's that required University Football Programs Reforms in the Million$ to correct.
At the same time, still keep the Brile's Boosters and Brile's Fans happy by having them go to a Private Museum until they die off.
I can see a Children Women & Men Advocate Group build a Statue to Honor PSU Alumnus Sara Ganim in front of the Patee Paterno Library some day too, as Society Value's Changes from Honoring Spotlight Pulitzer Prize Winners over Football Game Winners!
After all, College Sports are just part of Academics just like Joe preached and Sara Ganim reminds everyone every day on her work to protect Children at Penn State!
When a Statue of Sara Ganim is built then the World will know the Penn State Culture Of Football Change has been completed.
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I think you can use a better example than the Wal-Mart employee, but I get your point. And it's spot on.
I find college sports pretty much unwatchable now. Even with Pitt, my excitement for the season isn't really there, despite the fact that this is the most promising team and staff in some time.
I hope you're right about this. It would be absolutely disgusting if they brought him back. I understand the logistical nightmare of replacing the whole staff but really that's what they should do at this point.
Absolutely disgusting - I wonder if these scumbags would be okay if their children or grandchildren were the ones being raped or molested.
My opinion only, not sure if I am right. In Today's Buyouts and possible Lawsuits, like Sarkasian at USC wanting $30 Million for being fired with Alcohol disability claim.
Everyone wants to avoid an approaching Penn State Billion Dollar Scandal where it takes many Reforms and New Staff Salaries, Big NCAA Fines, State Criminal Charges on Cover-Ups, and many Civil Lawsuits Legal Costs among Alumni, with Assistants (Paterno, McQueary, & One Other) Coaches Lawsuit on unfair Defamation Dismissals Claims, as well as, not selling out or show ups at Big Beaver Stadium under renovations.
Leach got fired but was rehired at Washington State, Mangino has not recovered from his firing at Kansas nor Kansas Program either, and so Briles may end up somewhere with a renewed sense of a Saint Paul's Character Reformations depending on the Final Report?
All Baylor Assistants including Briles's Relatives still there pending on Pepper Hamiliton's and Baylor Task Force Investigation Review?
It used to be, there were always some Universities & Programs out there to take a Great Disgraced Coach, but Society and Social Media Values, and Women, Children, and Title IX Abuses are no longer tolerated on any level. Domestic abuse won't be tolerated in the NCAA or NFL Recruits or Players anymore.
It is easier to let go the Athletic Directors and Coaches and even University Presidents now of days.
The days of protecting Penn State Non-Compliance's with even Alleged Paterno type secrecy, silence, and cover-ups have set an example of what not to do, and must do from a Reform System to correct mistakes.
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