Be careful what you wish for...

[Run 'n' Shoot]

Because you might just get it.

I by no means think that Coach Dixon is without his faults. The biggest of his faults is the recruiting failures in the last 5 years. However, I think he gets the most out of what he has. To go 500 in that conference with that roster is a major accomplishment. The only roster in the conference with less talent is BC. They beat ND on the road, Syracuse 3 times, and Duke at home.

I'm indifferent on this situation, but I know that I want the best for Pitt basketball. Coach Dixon can be really frustrating, but Pitt could also end up with a Leonard Hamilton, Mark Gottfried, or Lorenzo Romar type who brings in tons of talent but constantly under achieves.

All I'm saying is to be thankful for what we have and know that things could be much worse. In a perfect world Coach becomes a better recruiter and stays put.

Regardless of what happens one thing is a certainty...the posters on this board will complain no matter who is hired and if that new coach doesn't get to the sweet 16 they'll be calling for his head as well.

Lastly...the Millers are not coming here, neither is Chris Mack.

 

[PittPoker]

Nah I'm good but thanks for the warning though.

 

[UPitt129]

Nah I'm good but thanks for the warning though.

I'll ask you again...what are your overall set expectations for the program.

 

[pittman71]

Pitt has become depressing to watch, it isn't even that they lose but it is the way that they lose. They are headed in the wrong direction.

 

[DruidTM]

The Dixon haters aren't careful with anything... Check out their ill conceived word vomit postings ... Hey one already in this thread... I can't tell if it's an impulse control problem that's the result of some inferiority complex they have or if it's just plain old stupidity....I don't even know if they remember to wipe when they leave the can...?...one thing though ....it's a Burg thang in ALL sports...

 

[bobfree]

The Dixon haters aren't careful with anything... Check out their ill conceived word vomit postings ... Hey one already in this thread... I can't tell if it's an impulse control problem that's the result of some inferiority complex they have or if it's just plain old stupidity....I don't even know if they remember to wipe when they leave the can...?...one thing though ....it's a Burg thang in ALL sports...

All class

 

[pittgoat]

Yep it's all the fans' fault for wanting more...

Get real. And only more talented than BC? That's all I need to know about your expertise.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Pitt has become depressing to watch, it isn't even that they lose but it is the way that they lose. They are headed in the wrong direction.

And you want to accelerate that trend?? just wait to we are bottom dwelling with BC as early as next season when we hire some bozo as coach who can recruit with the best but cant get the players to perform. Good luck to you!

 

[IamHeisenberg]

Because you might just get it.

I by no means think that Coach Dixon is without his faults. The biggest of his faults is the recruiting failures in the last 5 years. However, I think he gets the most out of what he has. To go 500 in that conference with that roster is a major accomplishment. The only roster in the conference with less talent is BC. They beat ND on the road, Syracuse 3 times, and Duke at home.

I'm indifferent on this situation, but I know that I want the best for Pitt basketball. Coach Dixon can be really frustrating, but Pitt could also end up with a Leonard Hamilton, Mark Gottfried, or Lorenzo Romar type who brings in tons of talent but constantly under achieves.

All I'm saying is to be thankful for what we have and know that things could be much worse. In a perfect world Coach becomes a better recruiter and stays put.

Regardless of what happens one thing is a certainty...the posters on this board will complain no matter who is hired and if that new coach doesn't get to the sweet 16 they'll be calling for his head as well.

Lastly...the Millers are not coming here, neither is Chris Mack.

We aren't firing him. He is choosing to go. Maybe your OP should be for Jaime.

 

[Run 'n' Shoot]

Who are they more talented than? Every single roster in the ACC has higher composite recruiting rankings than Pitt beside BC. I never claimed to be an expert but I can read and I know facts. Look at the link.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/conferences/acc

I posted it before but if you look at composite recruiting rankings, which are an indicator of overall talent, Pitt is a bottom feeder in the P5 schools. They have the same company as BC, PSU, K State, TCU, Texas Tech, and Washington State. Some of non P5 schools that out recruit them is flat embarrassing. To figure that out you'd have to do research instead of irrationally assuming things.

 

[PittPoker]

Pitt has become depressing to watch, it isn't even that they lose but it is the way that they lose. They are headed in the wrong direction.

We need this back

 

[SouthSidePanther]

So are you indifferent to the situation or do you want the best for Pitt basketball?

 

[UPitt129]

Believe it or not, I am in the middle here. I don't want Jamie to go because I think him staying is the best chance at success. If the program had tanked, I'd want him gone, but it hasn't come close to tanking.

A new coach COULD do better. He could also do the same or worse.

IMO though, the odds greatly favor the same or worse, hence why I really hope Jamie stays.

 

[UPitt129]

We need this back

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Pitt lost that game.

In any case, what are your expectations other than wanting to see pitt dunk the ball?

 

[PittPoker]

Believe it or not, I am in the middle here. I don't want Jamie to go because I think him staying is the best chance at success. If the program had tanked, I'd want him gone, but it hasn't come close to tanking.

A new coach COULD do better. He could also do the same or worse.

IMO though, the odds greatly favor the same or worse, hence why I really hope Jamie stays.

It's tanked.

 

[pittman71]

And you want to accelerate that trend?? just wait to we are bottom dwelling with BC as early as next season when we hire some bozo as coach who can recruit with the best but cant get the players to perform. Good luck to you!

Being on the bubble every season is not very appealing, yes a new coach can make it worse and he can also make it better. In life sometimes you have to take chances.

 

[UPitt129]

It's tanked.

What are your expectations? How many wins. How many tourneys in a 5 year span. What sort of advancement.

And no, it hasn't tanked.

 

[Cavalier Panther]

I don't understand this desperate need to hurtle forward. Firing Jamie and rolling the dice gives us a better chance of ending up as Wake Forest than ending up as Duke. This program does not have a pedigree that will carry it through turnover no matter what, we're taking a big risk here.

Recruiting is key, we all agree on that. What happens to this class if Jamie leaves? We go from a solid if unexciting class to scrounging for the remaining uncommitted players. If the 5 stars weren't coming to Pitt when it was stable, why come now as things are getting choppy?

I'm not defending Jamie until the end times. If we win 20 games next year, again, and miss the tourney I'll revisit this. If we miss again I'll walk over to the other side. But right now we're way underestimating the downside. He's a successful coach who's run a good program and he's well-liked. The last few years were rocky, but not abysmal. Let's see if the uptick this year continues.

 

[pittman71]

Dixon is not getting fired, he is choosing to leave to go to a school that will give him a truckload of money

 

[NCanton Panther]

Who are they more talented than? Every single roster in the ACC has higher composite recruiting rankings than Pitt beside BC. I never claimed to be an expert but I can read and I know facts. Look at the link.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/conferences/acc

I posted it before but if you look at composite recruiting rankings, which are an indicator of overall talent, Pitt is a bottom feeder in the P5 schools. They have the same company as BC, PSU, K State, TCU, Texas Tech, and Washington State. Some of non P5 schools that out recruit them is flat embarrassing. To figure that out you'd have to do research instead of irrationally assuming things.

I acknowledge that you expressed in your original post that recruiting failures are his biggest fault, but he is a good coach. Yeah, agreed, but at the same time, it is hard to overlook the recruiting failures. You now kind of drive that sentiment home when you state above that the non P5 schools that out recruit them/him is flat embarrassing. Yeah, agree with that as well and it is/has been so bad that it does approach embarrassing. The number of recruiting misses, big time reaches, revolving door of players coming and going and having to fill out this year's roster with 3 not-so-good grad transfers, it is hard to overlook. From that aspect, it is hard to find fault with those that want to move on to another option. So there is pros and cons to both sides of the debate.

Most of the cons I hear set forth is that we'll end up with a worse coach. But it is ridiculous the number of posters on that side of the fence that make it sound like that is the only possible outcome. Yeah, nothing is for certain but I'm willing to put some faith in our current AD to make a good hire and see where it takes us.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Who are they more talented than? Every single roster in the ACC has higher composite recruiting rankings than Pitt beside BC. I never claimed to be an expert but I can read and I know facts. Look at the link.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/conferences/acc

I posted it before but if you look at composite recruiting rankings, which are an indicator of overall talent, Pitt is a bottom feeder in the P5 schools. They have the same company as BC, PSU, K State, TCU, Texas Tech, and Washington State. Some of non P5 schools that out recruit them is flat embarrassing. To figure that out you'd have to do research instead of irrationally assuming things.

But isn't that part of a coach's job too? Who's fault is it that we are such bottom level talent?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

It is a risk. But.....at this point, it is a risk that no longer seems so "risky". Because this "bottom level" talent according to the OP is going to catch up with us.

 

[KiwiJeff]

All class

You always seem to be quick to jump to the negative folks defense, but nowhere to be found when the negative people do it. I don't expect you to monitor every thread, but you are big on other people being consistent, shouldn't you be too? And to be fair, you do defend J Rob against ridiculous posts, so I give you credit for that.

 

[Cap pitt]

Believe it or not, I am in the middle here. I don't want Jamie to go because I think him staying is the best chance at success. If the program had tanked, I'd want him gone, but it hasn't come close to tanking.

A new coach COULD do better. He could also do the same or worse.

IMO though, the odds greatly favor the same or worse, hence why I really hope Jamie stays.

Can you do much worse then 5 years of mediocrity

 

[Piranha]

Because you might just get it.

I by no means think that Coach Dixon is without his faults. The biggest of his faults is the recruiting failures in the last 5 years. However, I think he gets the most out of what he has. To go 500 in that conference with that roster is a major accomplishment. The only roster in the conference with less talent is BC. They beat ND on the road, Syracuse 3 times, and Duke at home.

I'm indifferent on this situation, but I know that I want the best for Pitt basketball. Coach Dixon can be really frustrating, but Pitt could also end up with a Leonard Hamilton, Mark Gottfried, or Lorenzo Romar type who brings in tons of talent but constantly under achieves.

All I'm saying is to be thankful for what we have and know that things could be much worse. In a perfect world Coach becomes a better recruiter and stays put.

Regardless of what happens one thing is a certainty...the posters on this board will complain no matter who is hired and if that new coach doesn't get to the sweet 16 they'll be calling for his head as well.

Lastly...the Millers are not coming here, neither is Chris Mack.

A large portion of the college game is recruiting the right guys for your program, and then developing them.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Yeah but we can always post here under another screen name or go post on the fb board as soon as a commit goes elsewhere, etc or on OT posts. It all good.

 

[bobfree]

You always seem to be quick to jump to the negative folks defense, but nowhere to be found when the negative people do it. I don't expect you to monitor every thread, but you are big on other people being consistent, shouldn't you be too? And to be fair, you do defend J Rob against ridiculous posts, so I give you credit for that.

So I don't but then you concede I do?

If I see it I'll say something.

 

[KiwiJeff]

So I don't but then you concede I do?

If I see it I'll say something.

I am only saying you are not consistent, the smallest slight against a negative poster and you yip like a poodle. You let a lot of crap slide from the other side. It's not your job I know, but you sometimes act like it is, so I am torn on how even to approach it. Never mind.

 

[bobfree]

I am only saying you are not consistent, the smallest slight against a negative poster and you yip like a poodle. You let a lot of crap slide from the other side. It's not your job I know, but you sometimes act like it is, so I am torn on how even to approach it. Never mind.

Whatevs honestly,

It's always like this passive aggressive you point it out but then be like "never mind" or delete posts after you write them. Like you want to be like "f you Bob!" But just can't pull the trigger. It's cool, let it out.

I am a yipper like a poodle I guess.

I can't comment on shit I don't see.

I don't read every thread and the ones I read I generally don't see "negative" people name calling and acting inappropriately. Stupid opinions are fine, but the other stuff isn't imo.

Dudes post in this thread was junk, yet it will remain. It's cool just making a comment on it.

 

[KiwiJeff]

Whatevs honestly,

It's always like this passive aggressive you point it out but then be like "never mind" or delete posts after you write them. Like you want to be like "f you Bob!" But just can't pull the trigger. It's cool, let it out.

I am a yipper like a poodle I guess.

I can't comment on shit I don't see.

I don't read every thread and the ones I read I generally don't see "negative" people name calling and acting inappropriately. Stupid opinions are fine, but the other stuff isn't imo.

Dudes post in this thread was junk, yet it will remain. It's cool just making a comment on it.

Agreed, whatevs. You must have a greater threshold for ignoring stupidity than other people. That is not an insult at all. I think some people have a harder time ignoring or not responding to stupidity.

 

[Delpanther]

Because you might just get it.

I by no means think that Coach Dixon is without his faults. The biggest of his faults is the recruiting failures in the last 5 years. However, I think he gets the most out of what he has. To go 500 in that conference with that roster is a major accomplishment. The only roster in the conference with less talent is BC. They beat ND on the road, Syracuse 3 times, and Duke at home.

I'm indifferent on this situation, but I know that I want the best for Pitt basketball. Coach Dixon can be really frustrating, but Pitt could also end up with a Leonard Hamilton, Mark Gottfried, or Lorenzo Romar type who brings in tons of talent but constantly under achieves.

All I'm saying is to be thankful for what we have and know that things could be much worse. In a perfect world Coach becomes a better recruiter and stays put.

Regardless of what happens one thing is a certainty...the posters on this board will complain no matter who is hired and if that new coach doesn't get to the sweet 16 they'll be calling for his head as well.

Lastly...the Millers are not coming here, neither is Chris Mack.

Dixon has 7 years left on his contract last time I checked. The ball's in his court. No wishing or hankering for his departure will affect the outcome. If he leaves I'm wagering we can sign a coach who if he gets us to the tournie can squeeze more than 43 points out of his team.

 

[GrowthHormone]

Can you do much worse then 5 years of mediocrity

I honestly don't know if this is supposed to be a joke. In case you are serious: yes. By definition, yes.

 

[UPitt129]

Agreed, whatevs. You must have a greater threshold for ignoring stupidity than other people. That is not an insult at all. I think some people have a harder time ignoring or not responding to stupidity.

You got me. And you are right, it is something I should learn to do.