I trust none of the Pittsburgh media on the Steelers. They are massive homers who push the hype machine
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right .. and there's maybe 3-4 franchise QBs in the NFL
That’s a fair point. It’s hard to trust anyone in the media. They all have agendas and most are doing the bidding for their employer or the people they cover. Journalism’s dead.
I have Kordell vibes with regard to Fields also, and similarly think the Steelers will give him too much opportunity and waste years because of it. Giving a rookie 1st round draft pick plenty of time is one thing. But Fields came to Pittsburgh with some track record. Steelers fans will say "yeah, but it was the Bears". Meanwhile, Trubisky played better in Chicago than he ever played in Pittsburgh and Fields looks like he's regressed under our coaches. Our QBs seem to look better in other uniforms, and I suspect Pickett will eventually get there too after he swallows enough brain bleach to erase what he "learned" with the Steelers.
So start fresh...and embrace what that means (i.e. probably some losing before things turn the corner). Or spend the damn money and get a guy and hope he can get you over the top. Dak Prescott is going to get more than he's worth, but I'd rather pay him $50 mil than play 36 year old Russell Wilson $30+ mil. At least Prescott can still play. I don't know if he could get you past Mahomes, but he'd give you a puncher's chance. I prefer the former option mind you, but either way I think they need to choose a lane.
But here's the thing, a guy like Prescott doesn't do much for you when you don't have any playmakers (okay, maybe one) or an offensive line. There's so much wrong with this offense that a QB isn't just going to fix it.
This is correct .
Then maybe 3-4 really high level ones
Franchise - Mahomes , burrow , and maybe Allen
Really high level - Jackson , Herbert , cousins and maybe Dak
Stroud is a franchise guy .. I go Mahommes, Stroud, Allen
Move Burrow down to high level
Joe Burrow is overrated. Look at who he's been throwing to since his final year at LSU. He'll come back to Earth once that receiving room thins out.
I’ll need to see a bit more consistency from Stroud , but he’s off to a good start
Maybe - but taking the bengals to the Super Bowl is something , and the drop off when he was injured shows it’s him .
The only surprise here is that the new thread emerged because Kenny was booed at a Pitt game.
I'm not going to look it up, but I think Jalen Hurts has probably already won about the same amount of playoff games as Herbert, Cousins and Dak combined. And Cousins, but not Rodgers? C'mon.
Rodgers isn’t elite anymore
Maybe if he lasts over 46 seconds this season
Hurts is that next tier down with folks like Tua , Goff , stafford , etc .
Now that the Philly OL isn’t what it was - maybe Jalen proves it’s him .
Lol. Wilson is hurt again (maybe). They might have to roll with Fields and they could throw Jones in at LT after not putting him there all preseason. Brilliant.
Do you think this is true or did he just a veteran day off and the Steelers are using the media to play head games with the Falcons?
How many playoff wins do the really high level have? NFL QB play is at 50 year low.
Herbert, Dak, and Cousins don’t belong on this list. You ain’t winning sh#t with Dak and Cousins and I’m yet to see anything from Herbert to suggest he’s the guy worthy of all the praise from the media people like Ruiz over at the Ringer who watch a bunch of film and act like that makes them special.
Mahommes. Jackson. Allen. Burrow. The rest all need to prove it, IMO. And it’s all a moot point so long as Mahommes is healthy.
I don't know that I consider all four of those guys to be a clear cut above the rest.
Mahomes - tier of his own
Jackson/Allen - high highs, but they also have some low lows and haven't proven it in the postseason
Burrow - eh, assuming he can stay healthy, how would he look throwing to the receiving corps Mahomes just won a Super Bowl with? My guess is not very good.
Son, I am old unlike you. (LOL, I don't mean that to be condescending). What I am going to say I was a kid in the late 70's and 80's and avidly followed the NFL, much more than I do today. And the amount of teams that had good QB's, if not great QB's, far outweighs today. Which is really interesting.
Most of those QB's came from HS and College offenses that ran "pro style" offenses. Threw 12-20 times a game. There were no QB camps. Individual QB coaches. These guys played 2-3 sports in HS, not just focused on being a robo QB. Many of them in the pros, called their own plays. Hell Marino did in college. Most took the snap under center. 2 WR's, 1 TE. Maybe on 3rd and long a 3rd WR.
Compared with football today. These kids are drilled as a QB since they are 11-12. Attend these camps, 7 on 7's, special instruction. The Manning camp. Play in QB centric offenses. In a gun. 4-5 WR's. Option routes. Complete devotion to their craft for 10 years before they even get to the pros. Many only play one sport in HS to focus on prepping them for college, leave HS early. And never before has the NFL been so QB deficient.
Are we over programming these kids? Are they just so reliant on coaches that when things breakdown, they have no idea what to do?
Of course the sport has changed. 55% completion percentage used to be acceptable. But that's because QB's threw the ball downfield more. Still, you see all these QB's continually drafted in the first rd and continually underperform to the point of being relegated.
Maybe I missed it but I didnt see a lot of Taytay last night...........hmmmmmmm
Honestly, the reason why it might have seemed like there were more good QBs is because nobody was that great. Mahommes is in a class by himself at the moment, just like Brady stood head and shoulders above everyone else for a time.
Someone else is going to have to emerge as a really good QB. Mahommes can't keep winning Super Bowls forever. Another QB is going to get a super bowl ring, and someone will probably win a couple and then you'll say he is elite. I don't think Purdy is that amazing, and I think the talent around him has led to his success thus far in his career (dare I say it, similar to early Roethlisberger) but if he wins a couple super bowls, the perception changes (a la Roethlisberger).
Good to see the Bee is still setting the bar extremely low in terms of putting forward things that are actually funny.
I’m sorry Ski. Whenever I don’t find something funny, I just move on and don’t respond, like yesterday when you replied to me with a meme. I don’t think the board cares whether I find humor with things or not. I keep forgetting that the Bee elicits an emotional response from you, no matter how harmless it is, like the Bee headline above. Thanks for letting me know though. I’ll try to be more sensitive next time for your sake.
Pretty certain the calf soreness is the "out" for anything bad that happens. Have no idea how a guy who has done nothing but rest and mostly take light practice reps is having any sort injury issues.
Fair enough.
Just my opinion based on their arm talent and athleticism .
Cousins puts up massive stats pretty consistently .
Wow. I had no idea that me using “female” in place of “women and girls” for the sake of brevity would be found offensive, disparaging, or inappropriate to the 10 guys reading a Pitt Volleyball thread. But you did and for that I’m very sorry. Maybe I’ll enroll at Pitt and major in gender studies with a minor in English so that I can be a better person.
I called this a month ago .
He’s guaranteed a massive payday , regardless.
He’s only hoping for one last gasp at a post season , so he can step in .
He’s not gonna play until then .
rather just go with fields if Russ is 75%, aka, not mobile. i know he isnt a young vick but you still need him to roll out and move a bit, especially with this disaster of an OL. if you dont have that, just go with fields..
dudes on here get triggered over the stupidest sh*t, its unreal. 1/2 the time i cant tell if they are kidding or not.
here is some advice for you all. If something offends you, that's your problem. NO ONE ELSE'S. get over it, ignore it or deal with it.
I am not sleeping on anyone. I view him and Jackson and Burrow and Purdy and Herbert and Lawrence etc. all the same. They are all talented and all good QBs that have some amazing skills and traits. But until one of them gets a couple super bowl rings, or at least one, nobody will consider them an elite QB.
They hardly showed her at all, I do think they should have her sit next to Butger's wife
It amazes me how many people want to disrespect Ben? I seriously think if he hadn't joined the team they would still be selling "One for the Thumb" t shirts at the Steelers Store, not that he did it alone, but his contributions where integral to winning championships, and we can all see the depressing level this team's offense has sunk to without him.
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