But I can’t seem to find any posts from some of our psycho posters after the St Johns win. I guess it is back under their rocks till the next loss.
Been searching all morning…
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Pitt is 4-7 and needed a miracle and a last second positive covid test for their best player to win in year 4 vs. St John’s. I’m pretty much done posting until the coaching search in March. Stupid to keep rehashing the same things. But make no mistake, the search has started.
Without sifting through a bunch of threads, whom do you see as showing interest, real possibilities, and/or best fit?
Capel is still a lousy coach. My opinion won't change until he produces a winning record.
I’m happy for the guys that are giving their all. I just don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel with no recruits.
I credit you for not posting the same crap over and over again. I wish I could say that for certain other guys who will be back with the next loss.
I don’t care for the seemingly lack of in-game coaching but the guy did construct a roster that had parts that could have meshed into a competitive team. Granted, a couple of starters missing is hard to overcome. And who’s to say he can’t go out again and construct a roster for next year? Not an apologist at all. Rather looking forward to something fresh next year in any form and that’s sad with the many games still to be played this year.
They’re 4-7, have one good player and the guy everyone anointed as the next great Pitt PG was 1-12 from the field yesterday. What pieces did he get? The two kid major guards that are missing and were average at best?
And what great additions to the current roster is he even close to getting for next year?
He averages 3.4 assists and 3.2 turnovers per game. Rest of the stats aren’t good either but that’s something else. Now I also realize the team’s not exactly loaded with offensive weapons so that accounts for some of it. But he’s not particularly fast or quick. Basketball IQ also questionable. Guys can always develop but he doesn’t appear to be P5 pg material.
Whoever is next is looking at a full rebuild. I hope Hugley’s willing to stick around but I wouldn’t bet a dollar on it.
Don’t confuse my post with apologetic reasoning for the state of the program. He did assemble a roster. Can’t debate that. A few posters are NOW wondering if Mo has more eligibility. The two missing guards were being counted on for major minutes. Added Burton. There could have been a nice meshing of bodies. That’s all I’m saying. No coach has a seasoned roster where they can go beyond 7 deep to replace major minutes lost to injury. Well maybe bluebloods can. IF you don’t agree with this, then Julian should have been easily replaced yesterday and not used as an excuse as to why this horrid collection of Pitt players beat the Johnnies.
1) Julian was lost on the day of the game
2) he’s one of the premier players in the big east
3) Nike and Horton are below league average guards
you’re comparing apples to bananas
Redmen still favored by a dozen without the premier star? Whatever. I am all for a change next year. But…don’t you think Mo would have done better with a better supporting backcourt earlier in the season? Posters wanted Mo out of PGH. Not to mention the other players. The games lost may have been wins if Mo and Burton and Santos would have been supported better with the two below average guards? Sibande scored over 20 in a league game, no? Horton as well? All world Femi would play less minutes And maybe more settled with the other seasoned guards with him on the court. 7-4, 8-3 possibly. My point about Julian was that St John’s roster AS CONSTRUCTED couldn’t replace him. Pitt’s roster as constructed can’t replace two guards who have scored over 20 in the ACC. Not arguing next year’s roster. Just this year.
Do you watch NBA games and think, wow Eddie House scored 31. He can probably do that every game!
As I said last year, Femi, once scouted would be a much worse version of XJ. If Nike got scouted, he wouldn’t have been able to get off either.
It’s basketball. Someone is gonna score, someone is gonna rebound. That doesn’t mean they’re doing it well or for winning teams or efficiently.
I doubt there’s a guy on this roster outside of Jeffress who on the right night couldn’t get 20 in one ACC game.
Julian wasn’t dropping 40 on them , sure they missed him , but Pitt having both outside shooters / scorers out IMO was /is far more impactful .
So… in your opinion, having 2 league or below league average guards out for the entire season was more impactful on this game than having the best player in it/ one of the best in the big East ruled out the day of?
that is… WILD.
Most of this board wanted Horton gone with his end of season play/shenanigans and Nike just sucks. But they’re more valuable than Champagnie being ruled out day of game. Wow.
You’re pushing your narrative which is fine. Change is needed. But isn’t a player allowed to progress each year? Nike and Horton do not suck. Not going to research summertime posts but it wasn’t out of left field thinking they would be good for 15 each and help blend the other players as a team. Sure, they aren’t gonna scare Duke or Carolina but to compare apples to nana’s, anyone think QB KP would improve the way he did in 7 months? All I’m saying is Pitt’s record may be reversed and people wouldn’t be so alarmed and maybe the 4 star stays committed. I’m in the “change is needed camp” but just offering a different take. I go back 50 years with this program when Buzz and Tim’s 6th man was head and shoulders better than anyone on this current roster. This is a sad time.
Nike and Ithiel being good for 15 each? That’s quite a streeeeeeetch.
No question Pitt’s a better team with them. But 15 for both is a little out there.
Anybody wearing a Pitt uniform to you sucks , just face it there’s nothing but total negativity coming from you in regards to Pitt bb .
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Your making Julian a sure fire first rounded who single handily was going to beat Pitt . Adding Julian to St Johns or Nike and Horton to Pitt I take Nike and Horton having a greater positive impact on their team . (by a mile )
In one game? Possible I guess. But more likely would be averaging 15 between the two.
I’d say that would be much closer to being the case. 15 each they’re undefeated and likely a tourney team.
I’m thinking 9 a piece with an upside of one of them averaging 11-12 the other 9 . ( Especially with the way Femi‘s playing .)
Detailed computer analysis that examined every play each of those two have made since grade school !
this point is moot until the class is set. Just because he doesn't have anyone locked in now doesn't mean that's how it'll shake out.
Well, before the two guards became unavailable, Capel most likely envisioned a 3 guard look and perhaps even 4 guards until the new pieces found their roles down low. After the defections last year the guards did ok for themselves minus the scoring that left the program. This nonsense from BBInsider about “someone had to do the scoring” when Nike and Ithiel had big games is just that. They proved they can score in the league. If you played the game you know your opponent is trying to shut you down either man to man or as a team. That’s why players jump to block shots, get into passing lanes for steals and harass you until a turnover is created. Nike and Ithiel were not shooting a game of HORSE when they had big games especially with what players Pitt had down low. I’m a strong believer there would have been better spacing this year with all four guards playing. The walk-on Eze and the frosh Nate are playing instead of Nike and Ithiel. Which two would anyone prefer? I’m convinced this team’s record would be reversed at the very least playing Nike and Ithiel with “bad” Femi playing less or under control like last year’s end. The walk-on and the frosh would be playing sparingly. We’d still be alarmed at ‘22 recruiting but perhaps Mintz sees something different with an 8-3 Pitt. Who knows.
I know that. My question was about who exactly is he even focusing on that is a QUALITY recruit, top 50 type. And locking in a commitment doesn't mean the kid comes here. Signed LOI with a physical presence on the court is "locked in", at least for one season.
Still making excuses. Julian would only have needed 2 points to make that another loss instead of the enjoyable win. The reality is that this is the 4th year of bad hoops. The supposed great recruiter has had a few good hits, but best are gone, and the coaching has been dreadful.
The excuses never end. Granted Capel isn't as bad as Stallings....at least some think he isn't. But it's close.
Results matter, and Capel hasn't gotten the results in recruiting or level of play. As long as people keep making excuses for him, we'll be satisfied with mediocrity or worse. 4 years is long enough to know he's a poor coach, regardless of what happens the rest of this year.
Results matter, and Capel hasn't gotten the results in recruiting or level of play. As long as people keep making excuses for him, we'll be satisfied with mediocrity or worse. 4 years is long enough to know he's a poor coach, regardless of what happens the rest of this year.
On this team, If Nike is playing 32 minutes per, I think he gives you 12 points per
Not saying those 12 points would be efficient, but think you would get 12.
if you're expecting him to sign top 50 kids I can understand your frustration. However, that's not and never has been a reality at Pitt. There are still top 150-200 kids out there and that's really all he should be focusing on for the majority of his recruiting. If you have an "in" with a top 50 or 75 kid then go ahead, but from scratch the target should be top 200 or top 150.
He can also fill with transfers. It's not a great sign that he doesn't have a single HS kid committed to next season, but when I bring up how I like this core of players they already have (Hughley, Femi, Jeffress, Collier, Santos, Horton) I'm met with "you can't rebuild in today's landscape. These kids will transfer". So what's the point in recruiting HS kids then? Maybe this question isn't for you, but there is more than one way to build the roster and I think it's premature to get upset about the 2022 class.
Are we
Earl Grant has signed 2 Top 100 recruits at BC. 1 from Minnesota and 1 from Virginia. It can be done
Earl Grant has signed 2 Top 100 recruits at BC. 1 from Minnesota and 1 from Virginia. It can be done
I don't look at it this way. Compare it to program history. How many top 100 kids have come to Pitt throughout the years? True top 100 kids.
While we can compare our game results to other schools in our conference or around the P6, each school has their limitations recruiting wise.
I don’t expect Top 10 or Top 25 regularly but if we’re focusing on Top 200!!! we should’ve never hired Capel. And Capel himself spent waaaaaaay too much time and resources on top kids if that’s the case.
Right. Pitt got into trouble in recruiting with the move to the ACC.
We abandanoned our strategy of being older, stronger, more experienced and tried. Recruiting athelete for athlete, skilled player for skilled player. That obviously didn’t work or ever will work for Pitt in the ACC.
We need to go back to be willing to recruit at our level. recruit older players coming out of HS or prep school. Redshirt those players. Develop those players. Keep the team intact. Supplement with old transfers.
If we have a coach that can coach, develop, mold and maintain a foundation, we can re-establish an identity.
it is a lot easier to maintain an identity than recreate a new team every year.
That game is what you want to puff your chest out over? Looked like the School for the Blind squeaking one out over Deaf and Bowlegged Tech.
We've had coaches in the past who have signed top 25 and top 50 kids. Some were not that long ago. It is not out of the question to expect a coach who is supposed to be a great recruiter and had that reputation, to at least sign some top 100 kids. That's one of the reasons he was brought here. He hasn't fulfilled those expectations.
I'm not upset about the 2022 class because there isn't one yet. Like I said previously, if Capel can't sign at least 1 top 50 kid in that class and fill the remainder with top 100 - 150 kids, then he has once again missed the mark on recruiting. Let's not continue to apologize for his incompetence.
Literally no one cares that this team beat a short handed St Johns team after starting the season about as bad as they possibly could’ve. This program is more than a mess and Jeff Capel is an embarrassment, this team sucks, this program is literally nothing right now, that win meant nothing. As others have said, the next meaningful W for this program will be the day that Jeff Capel and his entire staff are gone away forever.
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