Beer Sales
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There is no way that Pitt would get $3.50 - $4.00 per beer sold. No way. Not even close. The $1 per beer number that someone else threw out there might be too optimistic as well.
How much West Virginia makes really isn't all that relevant to what Pitt will make. Do we really need to go into the difference between Pitt's situation at Heinz and West Virginia's situation at Hoopie Field?
Where did I imply that stance? I said I am not opposed to beer sales and Kennywood handled their roll-out well by finding new revenue while protecting any perceived or real negative impact to their core product.
I'll guess about $1-2/beer. The union staff gets paid, the provisioners get paid, the Rooneys get their cut (I think), then Pitt.
Yet again another reason for an on-campud stadium. All those guys are getting $4 a beer profit!!
That's because there are a lot of people that apparently don't understand the way this works. Anyone who thinks Pitt would net anything close to $4 per beer sold has lost their mind.
Who cares about the net ? Obviously Pitt cares about the the season ticket holders are enjoying the experience. It is going to happen. Non issue.
The product on the field does it.
Not concessions .
Not true, not even close. People go for the experience, not just the game. That's what this whole thread is about.
You don't actually think that do you?
Are you telling me if Pitt was a perrenial 2-10 team, but had dynamite concessions..we'd pack the stadium?
get the eff out of here with that noise.
ok, well you went overboard with your point. Souf, this whole damn thread is about the game day experience, about 21st century sporting venues selling the game day and not just the game.. PNC park was brought up, eateries, bars, attractions inside and outside the stadium.. Dude, there are 500 posts covering this.. Articles written about getting the fans down to the venue hours before and to stay after.. The idea of fans coming 5 minutes before kickoff and leaving 5 minutes after is going away, they want your money for tickets and merchandise, and food and drink..
The HD tv experience is too good to compete with just coming to watch the game. Fans want more because sitting 400' away from the action compared to 10' away from an HD tv isn't going to win out. This is why the new nfl venues aren't just a field with seats but shopping malls with a field attached.. How did we lose you in this? You don't think concessions are important part of the experience? Souf, have you been to a sporting event in the last 40 years? If it was solely about the game, you wouldn't have all the bells and whistles you see in every sporting venue across the world. You wouldn't have the damn pierogi race at the bucco games.. You want to live in a world without Sauerkraut Saul? I sure as hell don't.
Didn't go overboard at all.
If the product on the field stinks, or is perennially disappointing...the bells and whistles won't draw a crowd. It's not a debatable point.
On the other hand...an entertaining and successful team will draw big crowds, regardless of concessions and "experience"...because the only experience that matters is being entertained by the game.
that's the only thing that matters huh? nothing else matters? no reason to have concessions, mascots, fireworks, giveaways, music over loudspeaker, merchandise give-a-ways, all that is irrelevant according to souf.... No reason to have any sort of attractions outside stadium either I guess.. Souf has all the anwers and everyone else in the sporting world is wrong..
Does it really matter how much Pitt gets on concessions as a factor to consider whether selling beer throughout the stadium is a good idea? Bottom line is Pitt's concession deal at Heinz is nowhere near what it would be at a stadium owned by Pitt--I do not think anyone disputes that point. That said, even a pathetic percentage of revenue on beer sales would be better than a pathetic percentage of nothing. Provided beer sales do not adversely impact the game day experience [which I do not believe there is any evidence to suggest that it would], for a cash strapped operation, all revenue sources should be under consideration. My view is that if it enhances the game day experience, even in the slightest bit, and it adds revenue that exceeds costs--it would be a no-brainer decision [were I King and making the decisions]. Hail to Pitt!
Ill let every single MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA owner know this, im sure they'll appreciate the cost saving advice from you..
I don't see anyone steadfastly against it.
Only acknowledging it's no silver bullet for what ails the pitt fan base.
My hunch would be Pitt's own stadium would only be marginally different, since they would still be outsourcing to Aramark or the like...just like they did in Pitt Stadium.
They don't have to worry about cost savings, they are billionaire who have bilked the public to pay for their venues.
I'll ask you this simple question.
What games/venues do you frequent, not because of a rooting interest in the product on the field, but because of the rest of it?
No, they aren't. Not free beer or free labor. I'm ambivalent on the issue, but let's not be silly on the finances. It would require a different design for the concession areas, too. No free lunch....and anything north of $3 for swill like Bud Light is highway robbery.
souf, bucco blasts have a higher attendance than most.. bobble head giveaways have higher attendance.. Fireworks and Steve Miller band is gonna get me to the game, one I'd probably stay home and watch on TV.. Getting to hear "The Stake" live? Dude, im going.. Your point has flaws.. if these give-a-ways and promotions were non factors, they wouldn't exist.. Do they get people to go who normally wouldn't? Yes in some cases but more importantly, they get people to come back.. Get people in the door to see "Dance Dance dance" live, they realize this baseball thing is pretty cool and they come back.. You think every single person that goes to a pirate game every night is a die hard fan who cares about the game?
You don't think people go for the "whole experience?" This is beyond ridiculous.. I think you just want to argue.. If this were true, and fans only went to games because of the game, pirates would have had zero people go to a game after july from the year 1993 - 2012.. I"ve been to a handful of cubbie games in Wrigley when they were 500 games out of contention, place was packed. You think people were there to see them get to 499 games out of contention? Or do you think they went to get out, drink some beers across the street, get some sun and relax at the game?
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Jitsu Rioko (1964 Olympics) Supposedly is Japanese for "Real Gusto".
And you may want to check the buccos attendance rankings from 1993-2012.
I bet you'll see a correlation between then and now.
Must be the atmosphere changed.
What % of average attendance will increase from baseline with beer sales?
2 different arguments.. I said, I don't think attendance will increase due to beer sales at HF.. Pitt home games are mostly at noon so yeah, I agree with you..
Same argument.
Perhaps pitt needs beer, plus fireworks every game, plus giveaways...and then..maybe...we will draw more fans?
Or...perhaps... if they become a program worth actually watching, fans will be interested in watching?
I suppose the Stillers put on different bells and whistles, despite being in the same facility...is why they draw.
Likewise, I do not think I have seen anyone suggest that serving alcohol will be a "silver bullet" or magically solve Pitt's attendance issues. While it is obviously true that Pitt outsources concessions at its own facilities...be certain, it takes a much higher percentage of the revenue from the Pete and other on campus venues [Pitt Stadium historically speaking] as compared to Heinz Field...as I presume it is not a news flash to you, but Pitt did not, nor do they have the contracting authority to deal directly with vendors at Heinz Field. Be sure, when you own your own house, you can always strike a better deal with vendors, especially when you do not need to cut others into the money. #commonsense Hail to Pitt!
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