BK to St. Peter's?

[Sean Miller Fan]

Shaheen Holloway leaves Saint Peter’s for Seton Hall after magical March Madness run

Holloway just led Saint Peter’s on a magical March Madness run to the Elite Eight. He’ll replace Kevin Willard at Seton Hall.

nypost.com

He's on the short list

This is about as good as it gets for a mid-major gig. As we've seen from VCU, GMU, Loyola, Butler, and Davidson, magical NCAA runs have almost always resulted in that program elevating from mid-major to high major. I don't think SPC has the resources to go high major but they could easily use this momentum to become a top mid-major. If there was EVER a mid-major job for a guy like BK to get, this is it.

If I'm him, I go hard after this job, make the NCAAT, maybe win a game, and then get the Pitt job. He can't go from Rutgers 3rd chair to Pitt.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Shaheen Holloway leaves Saint Peter’s for Seton Hall after magical March Madness run

Holloway just led Saint Peter’s on a magical March Madness run to the Elite Eight. He’ll replace Kevin Willard at Seton Hall.

nypost.com

He's on the short list

This is about as good as it gets for a mid-major gig. As we've seen from VCU, GMU, Loyola, Butler, and Davidson, magical NCAA runs have almost always resulted in that program elevating from mid-major to high major. I don't think SPC has the resources to go high major but they could easily use this momentum to become a top mid-major. If there was EVER a mid-major job for a guy like BK to get, this is it.

If I'm him, I go hard after this job, make the NCAAT, maybe win a game, and then get the Pitt job. He can't go from Rutgers 3rd chair to Pitt.

I’m a little (ok a lot) more bearish on St Peter’s versus those other teams. The A-10, Valley, etc are just better leagues. They are mid-major. The MAAC is pretty low major. I’d compare the St Peter’s run perhaps to Florida Gulf, who was also in a low major league. It’s hard to make giant leaps up from those leagues. Florida Gulf couldn’t do it. Also, Iona is in that league. And Pitino isn’t missing the dance twice in a row.

I think the next step is to be a consistently good low major and not just a one-off. We’ll see.

Also seems more likely from the article that maybe BK goes to chair 1 at Seton Hall to join his cousin. Could he go from that job to Pitt? I don’t know. Maybe.

I agree with you that this is a job he should absolutely get. He’s done well at Rutgers. It’s added to his resume to be a part of that turnaround, but it should be time.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Hopefully he gets the job and does well.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I’m a little (ok a lot) more bearish on St Peter’s versus those other teams. The A-10, Valley, etc are just better leagues. They are mid-major. The MAAC is pretty low major. I’d compare the St Peter’s run perhaps to Florida Gulf, who was also in a low major league. It’s hard to make giant leaps up from those leagues. Florida Gulf couldn’t do it. Also, Iona is in that league. And Pitino isn’t missing the dance twice in a row.

I think the next step is to be a consistently good low major and not just a one-off. We’ll see.

Also seems more likely from the article that maybe BK goes to chair 1 at Seton Hall to join his cousin. Could he go from that job to Pitt? I don’t know. Maybe.

I agree with you that this is a job he should absolutely get. He’s done well at Rutgers. It’s added to his resume to be a part of that turnaround, but it should be time.

I agree with you mostly on SPC except for a few things.

The MAAC is mid-major, not low major. It on rare occasions has gotten 2 teams in and sometimes gets pretty good seeds: 11, 12, 13. I think Manhattan got a 9 seed in the 90s. Now, sure its further down than the best mid-major league (MVC) but after that there's virtually no difference between the other mid-majors and the MAAC. Just depends on the year.

FGCU is in a true low major league though Liberty has done really well in their short stint after leaving the Big South but now they're leaving. FGCU, without football, was pretty isolated pretty far away from the nearest non-FBS league (SoCon).

SPC's problem is their gym is worse than most HS gyms and even with their success, they are 2nd fiddle to SHU in the North Jersey market and really don't have a fanbase at all. VCU and GMU were large publics. Davidson was in a great market. Same with Loyola. And all had great gyms. So SPC is stuck in the MAAC but I believe that with their success, the MAAC has a chance to mirror the WCC, whose schools and footprint is very similar on the opposite coast.

Iona with Pitino could become a mini-Gonzaga

SPC could be the SMC

Monmouth could be that 3rd team who makes some noise.

Basically, I think SPC has a chance to, with Iona, become a potential at-large team.

 

[ColonialInsider]

Shaheen Holloway leaves Saint Peter’s for Seton Hall after magical March Madness run

Holloway just led Saint Peter’s on a magical March Madness run to the Elite Eight. He’ll replace Kevin Willard at Seton Hall.

nypost.com

He's on the short list

This is about as good as it gets for a mid-major gig. As we've seen from VCU, GMU, Loyola, Butler, and Davidson, magical NCAA runs have almost always resulted in that program elevating from mid-major to high major. I don't think SPC has the resources to go high major but they could easily use this momentum to become a top mid-major. If there was EVER a mid-major job for a guy like BK to get, this is it.

If I'm him, I go hard after this job, make the NCAAT, maybe win a game, and then get the Pitt job. He can't go from Rutgers 3rd chair to Pitt.

It's actually a terrible job, which makes the work Holloway did all the more impressive.

Their facilities are among the worst in the country, their budget is among the smallest in the country, Jersey City is one of the least attractive cities on the east coast, the campus is non-descript and cramped, and they have a tiny enrollment with a minimal endowment for a college of its age.

They'll get some NCAA Tournament money, but the MAAC will split that amongst all its schools, not just Saint Peter's.

They aren't remotely positioned to become a perennial mid-major power and are far more likely to fade back into obscurity.

 

[TJFAIRLIE]

Monmouth could be that 3rd team who makes some noise.

Monmouth is leaving the MAAC for the Colonial July 1

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Monmouth is leaving the MAAC for the Colonial July 1

Yea, I knew that. My bad.

As for SPC as it relates to ColonialInsider's post, I agree with a lot but for a mid-major, I dont think budget, arena, and campus mean anywhere near as much as the momentum the program has right now to capitalize on.

Lets say they hire the right coach and a kid has offers from some of the top mid-majors, lets say like North Dakota State, Liberty, Western Kentucky, Vermont, and SPC wants him. Those schools have big advantages but for the mid-major recruit, the cache of coming off an Elite 8 and the new coach claiming he's building a Gonzaga should be enough to win that player......if the new coach can sell.

For a guy like BK, I dont see a better situation. This is as ideal as it possibly can get for him.

 

[pittchagg]

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

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I would love love love this. Make the NCAAT and take the Pitt job.

Here's another conundrum. If Capel does ok next year, lets say 16-15. Do you wait a year for BK if he only has a so-so year? The answer is probably no but if I don't like what I see in the mid-major market, I may save a year of buyout money and let BK learn on the jon another year and see what he can do

 

[Voice of Danno]

People are forgetting Iona with Rick Pittino is in the same conference. A lot harder to go through what Pittino is doing there than other Iona coaches. Maybe be stuck in perpetual second place.

 

[Ski11585]

Good for BK. Hope he gets the gig and it works out for him.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

People are forgetting Iona with Rick Pittino is in the same conference. A lot harder to go through what Pittino is doing there than other Iona coaches. Maybe be stuck in perpetual second place.

It really helps actually as I was saying before. You can sell SPC and the MAAC as the new WCC/Gonzaga/SMC

 

[ColonialInsider]

Yea, I knew that. My bad.

As for SPC as it relates to ColonialInsider's post, I agree with a lot but for a mid-major, I dont think budget, arena, and campus mean anywhere near as much as the momentum the program has right now to capitalize on.

Lets say they hire the right coach and a kid has offers from some of the top mid-majors, lets say like North Dakota State, Liberty, Western Kentucky, Vermont, and SPC wants him. Those schools have big advantages but for the mid-major recruit, the cache of coming off an Elite 8 and the new coach claiming he's building a Gonzaga should be enough to win that player......if the new coach can sell.

For a guy like BK, I dont see a better situation. This is as ideal as it possibly can get for him.

It absolutely matters. If a kid is selecting between St. Peter's and other MAAC schools, he's going to see these schools with amenities that St. Peter's doesn't have. Heck, until the last year or two, the third assistant coach spot was a volunteer position. The DOBO and video coordinators still are.

Yes, the chance to win matters, so there's always interest after a tournament run. But sustained success comes from being able to at least be competitive in the recruiting arms race, and facilities/opportunities/environment play a big role in that.

Holloway went 6-12, 14-6, 10-8, 14-6 in MAAC play in his four years. His predecessor, John Dunne had a similar pattern, including 8-12, 12-8, 14-6, 6-12 in his final four years before jumping ship to conference foe Marist.

There is far more evidence that this was a fluke Cinderella run than it is the start of something more. Plus, how likely are the returning players to stick around if there is an outside hire? If a new coach has to recruit a substantially new team, what momentum is there really to sustain from the tournament appearance?

 

[pittchagg]

It absolutely matters. If a kid is selecting between St. Peter's and other MAAC schools, he's going to see these schools with amenities that St. Peter's doesn't have. Heck, until the last year or two, the third assistant coach spot was a volunteer position. The DOBO and video coordinators still are.

Yes, the chance to win matters, so there's always interest after a tournament run. But sustained success comes from being able to at least be competitive in the recruiting arms race, and facilities/opportunities/environment play a big role in that.

Holloway went 6-12, 14-6, 10-8, 14-6 in MAAC play in his four years. His predecessor, John Dunne had a similar pattern, including 8-12, 12-8, 14-6, 6-12 in his final four years before jumping ship to conference foe Marist.

There is far more evidence that this was a fluke Cinderella run than it is the start of something more. Plus, how likely are the returning players to stick around if there is an outside hire? If a new coach has to recruit a substantially new team, what momentum is there really to sustain from the tournament appearance?

My bigger question would be whether St. Peter’s looks at this tournament run and decides to increase their investment into the program, even if that’s in the form of something as relatively minor as fully funding the support staff.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It absolutely matters. If a kid is selecting between St. Peter's and other MAAC schools, he's going to see these schools with amenities that St. Peter's doesn't have. Heck, until the last year or two, the third assistant coach spot was a volunteer position. The DOBO and video coordinators still are.

Yes, the chance to win matters, so there's always interest after a tournament run. But sustained success comes from being able to at least be competitive in the recruiting arms race, and facilities/opportunities/environment play a big role in that.

Holloway went 6-12, 14-6, 10-8, 14-6 in MAAC play in his four years. His predecessor, John Dunne had a similar pattern, including 8-12, 12-8, 14-6, 6-12 in his final four years before jumping ship to conference foe Marist.

There is far more evidence that this was a fluke Cinderella run than it is the start of something more. Plus, how likely are the returning players to stick around if there is an outside hire? If a new coach has to recruit a substantially new team, what momentum is there really to sustain from the tournament appearance?

If a new coach cannot sell NY/NJ kids this summer and next on picking SPC over random mid-majors, he needs to choose another profession. And it isnt like mid-majors have fantastic facilities. Some do, sure. But the right coach + the household name of St. Peter's should turn them into a top mid-major

 

[thebadby2]

I’m a little (ok a lot) more bearish on St Peter’s versus those other teams. The A-10, Valley, etc are just better leagues. They are mid-major. The MAAC is pretty low major. I’d compare the St Peter’s run perhaps to Florida Gulf, who was also in a low major league. It’s hard to make giant leaps up from those leagues. Florida Gulf couldn’t do it. Also, Iona is in that league. And Pitino isn’t missing the dance twice in a row.

I think the next step is to be a consistently good low major and not just a one-off. We’ll see.

Also seems more likely from the article that maybe BK goes to chair 1 at Seton Hall to join his cousin. Could he go from that job to Pitt? I don’t know. Maybe.

I agree with you that this is a job he should absolutely get. He’s done well at Rutgers. It’s added to his resume to be a part of that turnaround, but it should be time.

He needs to start somewhere like this and prove that he has what it takes.

 

[ColonialInsider]

My bigger question would be whether St. Peter’s looks at this tournament run and decides to increase their investment into the program, even if that’s in the form of something as relatively minor as fully funding the support staff.

It's a matter of resources. They haven't made the investment in the past because they don't have the money.

I think people are unaware or overestimating how much of a financial windfall the school and athletic department will get from this tournament run. They'll have some money, yes, but it's overall split amongst the rest of the MAAC. And it's not recurring cash - they don't suddenly have an extra $1 million to spend every year. They'll have maybe $1 million, if that, to spend on one-time payments.

Here's the details...

"Saint Peter's athletic director Rachelle Paul said the school's basketball operating budget, which does not include coaching salaries, is less than $250,000 and the lowest number, by far, in the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference.

Paul added that Saint Peter's accomplishment and accompanying financial uptick are "unprecedented." MAAC commissioner Rich Ensor, who is a Saint Peter's graduate, acknowledges this but said there's unlikely to be a windfall headed Saint Peter's way.

Ensor said the ultimate decision on how to fairly compensate Saint Peter's is something that he'd have to "take up with my board," which is made up of MAAC presidents. Ensor said there's already a distribution system in place that allows for a "modest" slice of money for teams that have won in the tournament. The rest of the excess money is expected to be dedicated toward improving basketball in the league."

St. Peter's eyes bigger piece of tourney windfall

The Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference stands to make more than $8 million from St. Peter's NCAA tournament run, but MAAC Commissioner Rich Ensor doesn't expect a 'jackpot' for the Peacocks.

www.espn.com

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It's a matter of resources. They haven't made the investment in the past because they don't have the money.

I think people are unaware or overestimating how much of a financial windfall the school and athletic department will get from this tournament run. They'll have some money, yes, but it's overall split amongst the rest of the MAAC. And it's not recurring cash - they don't suddenly have an extra $1 million to spend every year. They'll have maybe $1 million, if that, to spend on one-time payments.

Here's the details...

"Saint Peter's athletic director Rachelle Paul said the school's basketball operating budget, which does not include coaching salaries, is less than $250,000 and the lowest number, by far, in the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference.

Paul added that Saint Peter's accomplishment and accompanying financial uptick are "unprecedented." MAAC commissioner Rich Ensor, who is a Saint Peter's graduate, acknowledges this but said there's unlikely to be a windfall headed Saint Peter's way.

Ensor said the ultimate decision on how to fairly compensate Saint Peter's is something that he'd have to "take up with my board," which is made up of MAAC presidents. Ensor said there's already a distribution system in place that allows for a "modest" slice of money for teams that have won in the tournament. The rest of the excess money is expected to be dedicated toward improving basketball in the league."

St. Peter's eyes bigger piece of tourney windfall

The Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference stands to make more than $8 million from St. Peter's NCAA tournament run, but MAAC Commissioner Rich Ensor doesn't expect a 'jackpot' for the Peacocks.

www.espn.com

Brand name. They will have a brand for a couple recruiting cycles. They need to capitalize.

 

[ColonialInsider]

If a new coach cannot sell NY/NJ kids this summer and next on picking SPC over random mid-majors, he needs to choose another profession. And it isnt like mid-majors have fantastic facilities. Some do, sure. But the right coach + the household name of St. Peter's should turn them into a top mid-major

Brand name. They will have a brand for a couple recruiting cycles. They need to capitalize.

We're not talking about the difference between mediocre facilities. We're talking about the difference between simply having working facilities or not.

Leaky Roofs, Disappearing Balls and Frozen Offices: Inside a Real Cinderella Story

The basketball program that slayed Kentucky and reached the Sweet 16 has an even wilder story behind the scenes.

www.si.com

Also, if it's so easy to recruit and sell players on building off the momentum of a stunning NCAA Tournament run, why haven't past teams done it? Why haven't they been able to sell the brand?

UMBC, the only 16-seed to win a game, hasn't been back to the tournament. Oral Roberts stunned everyone by reaching the Sweet 16 as a #15 seed last year. Missed the tournament this year. Florida Gulf Coast captivated everyone and even had a ready-made brand with "Dunk City" in 2013. They missed the tournament the next two years, made it back to the first round in 2016 and 2017, but haven't been heard from since.

Not one of the previous teams to win as a 15 seed have become a perennial mid-major power on the level that you're talking about. And they all had far more resources available to them than Saint Peter's does.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

We're not talking about the difference between mediocre facilities. We're talking about the difference between simply having working facilities or not.

Leaky Roofs, Disappearing Balls and Frozen Offices: Inside a Real Cinderella Story

The basketball program that slayed Kentucky and reached the Sweet 16 has an even wilder story behind the scenes.

www.si.com

Also, if it's so easy to recruit and sell players on building off the momentum of a stunning NCAA Tournament run, why haven't past teams done it? Why haven't they been able to sell the brand?

UMBC, the only 16-seed to win a game, hasn't been back to the tournament. Oral Roberts stunned everyone by reaching the Sweet 16 as a #15 seed last year. Missed the tournament this year. Florida Gulf Coast captivated everyone and even had a ready-made brand with "Dunk City" in 2013. They missed the tournament the next two years, made it back to the first round in 2016 and 2017, but haven't been heard from since.

Not one of the previous teams to win as a 15 seed have become a perennial mid-major power on the level that you're talking about. And they all had far more resources available to them than Saint Peter's does.

Winning 1 or 2 games in the NCAAT, a lot of mid-majors do that.

SPC was one of what, 7 true mid-majors to make an Elite 8. That's just different. And they beat friggin Kentucky on their way.

SPC
Davidson
Loyola
VCU
Butler
GMU
Gonzaga (before they were big time)

All of them built off the momentum. All. Not saying SPC is going to the A10 but they could become a top mid-major. History is sure on their side

 

[ColonialInsider]

Winning 1 or 2 games in the NCAAT, a lot of mid-majors do that.

SPC was one of what, 7 true mid-majors to make an Elite 8. That's just different. And they beat friggin Kentucky on their way.

SPC
Davidson
Loyola
VCU
Butler
GMU
Gonzaga (before they were big time)

All of them built off the momentum. All. Not saying SPC is going to the A10 but they could become a top mid-major. History is sure on their side

George Mason's success wasn't sustained at all. They've made two appearances since their run in 2006 and none since 2011.

Every single one of the rest of those schools had substantially more resources than Saint Peter's. Several also had laid significant groundwork leading up to their run, which better positioned them to capitalize.

Davidson had three NCAA tournament appearances in the five years prior to their run in 2008. VCU had been in the tourney twice in the previous four years, including a win over Duke, before making its run in 2011.

Loyola is in the MVC, which regularly puts 2-3 teams in the NCAA Tournament. The MAAC has had multiple bids twice in its entire history.

Gonzaga invested heavily in its program in the final years of Dan Fitzgerald and in the two years of Dan Monson. When they made their run, they were a surprise because they hadn't reached the tournament often in those preceding years, but they were making basketball a central focus.

Saint Peter's has nothing. Can they capitalize? It's possible. But to immediately put them in the category of the top mid-majors is incredibly shortsighted. It's going to be extraordinarily difficult to remotely come close to that.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

George Mason's success wasn't sustained at all. They've made two appearances since their run in 2006 and none since 2011.

Every single one of the rest of those schools had substantially more resources than Saint Peter's. Several also had laid significant groundwork leading up to their run, which better positioned them to capitalize.

Davidson had three NCAA tournament appearances in the five years prior to their run in 2008. VCU had been in the tourney twice in the previous four years, including a win over Duke, before making its run in 2011.

Loyola is in the MVC, which regularly puts 2-3 teams in the NCAA Tournament. The MAAC has had multiple bids twice in its entire history.

Gonzaga invested heavily in its program in the final years of Dan Fitzgerald and in the two years of Dan Monson. When they made their run, they were a surprise because they hadn't reached the tournament often in those preceding years, but they were making basketball a central focus.

Saint Peter's has nothing. Can they capitalize? It's possible. But to immediately put them in the category of the top mid-majors is incredibly shortsighted. It's going to be extraordinarily difficult to remotely come close to that.

GMU elevated to a high major league.

I agree SPC has disadvantages. I said that. But they sit in area with tons of prospects in a 1 hour radius. If a new coach cant get kids to play for what has become a brand instead of going to Rider or Monmouth or Vermont or even a Fordham or LaSalle, then they aren't the right person. Right now, SPC has more to sell than 95% of mid-majors. EVERYONE knows them. Nobody knows Elon, Furman, Towson, Stony Brook, Binghamton, etc. You say SPC go a mid-major kid and they know. Then its on you to sell

 

[FireballZ]

George Mason's success wasn't sustained at all. They've made two appearances since their run in 2006 and none since 2011.

Every single one of the rest of those schools had substantially more resources than Saint Peter's. Several also had laid significant groundwork leading up to their run, which better positioned them to capitalize.

Davidson had three NCAA tournament appearances in the five years prior to their run in 2008. VCU had been in the tourney twice in the previous four years, including a win over Duke, before making its run in 2011.

Loyola is in the MVC, which regularly puts 2-3 teams in the NCAA Tournament. The MAAC has had multiple bids twice in its entire history.

Gonzaga invested heavily in its program in the final years of Dan Fitzgerald and in the two years of Dan Monson. When they made their run, they were a surprise because they hadn't reached the tournament often in those preceding years, but they were making basketball a central focus.

Saint Peter's has nothing. Can they capitalize? It's possible. But to immediately put them in the category of the top mid-majors is incredibly shortsighted. It's going to be extraordinarily difficult to remotely come close to that.

You have the patience of Saint Peter, himself. The lunacy of the recency bias of this poster has at least been consistent over the years. This one is almost as crazy as adding Tyrrell Pryor, tbh.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You have the patience of Saint Peter, himself. The lunacy of the recency bias of this poster has at least been consistent over the years. This one is almost as crazy as adding Tyrrell Pryor, tbh.

SPC, one of only 7 mid-majors to make an Elite 8 to follow a similar path to the previous 6 is almost as crazy as adding an NFL vet? SPC would become the first Elite 8 team to NOT elevate its program. They can do it.

 

[ColonialInsider]

GMU elevated to a high major league.

I agree SPC has disadvantages. I said that. But they sit in area with tons of prospects in a 1 hour radius. If a new coach cant get kids to play for what has become a brand instead of going to Rider or Monmouth or Vermont or even a Fordham or LaSalle, then they aren't the right person. Right now, SPC has more to sell than 95% of mid-majors. EVERYONE knows them. Nobody knows Elon, Furman, Towson, Stony Brook, Binghamton, etc. You say SPC go a mid-major kid and they know. Then its on you to sell

George Mason elevated its program to irrelevancy. They're barely a blip on the college basketball radar.

They only moved to the A-10 because the A-10 was desperate to add TV markets after losing major draws in Temple and Xavier during conference realignment.

Of the schools mentioned, the only ones talked about with any frequency are Gonzaga and Butler, and Butler has fallen off with the move to the Big East.

Loyola gets a little love, but 80% of it revolves around Sister Jean. I bet most casual fans have no idea what conference Loyola is in now or that they're going to the A-10 next year.

Saint Peter's was a great story. The only way they change their fortunes long term is if they drastically change their budget and invest in their program.

They won't. Maybe they do well again next year if they bring back most of their non-graduating talent, but right now they're the equivalent of building a house on top of quicksand.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Brand name. They will have a brand for a couple recruiting cycles. They need to capitalize.

You’re bonkers
Shaheen has a brand to capitalize on
St. Peter’s does not
It’s the new Florida gulf course

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

George Mason elevated its program to irrelevancy. They're barely a blip on the college basketball radar.

They only moved to the A-10 because the A-10 was desperate to add TV markets after losing major draws in Temple and Xavier during conference realignment.

Of the schools mentioned, the only ones talked about with any frequency are Gonzaga and Butler, and Butler has fallen off with the move to the Big East.

Loyola gets a little love, but 80% of it revolves around Sister Jean. I bet most casual fans have no idea what conference Loyola is in now or that they're going to the A-10 next year.

Saint Peter's was a great story. The only way they change their fortunes long term is if they drastically change their budget and invest in their program.

They won't. Maybe they do well again next year if they bring back most of their non-graduating talent, but right now they're the equivalent of building a house on top of quicksand.

The A10 already had the DC market in George Washington. GMU become a brand in the mid-major market.

I don't know why you're so bent ouf shape about this. I am simply saying that for the kids they are after, right now they are a brand and can capitalize and their budget isnt going to keep them from going to some AAU events this summer and having a good 2023 class. They have a 2-3 year window to really elevate or become the next FGCU. Their budget is close to irrelevant if they hire the right coach. The right coach will land top mid-major level players.

 

[Pitt79]

Shaheen Holloway leaves Saint Peter’s for Seton Hall after magical March Madness run

Holloway just led Saint Peter’s on a magical March Madness run to the Elite Eight. He’ll replace Kevin Willard at Seton Hall.

nypost.com

He's on the short list

This is about as good as it gets for a mid-major gig. As we've seen from VCU, GMU, Loyola, Butler, and Davidson, magical NCAA runs have almost always resulted in that program elevating from mid-major to high major. I don't think SPC has the resources to go high major but they could easily use this momentum to become a top mid-major. If there was EVER a mid-major job for a guy like BK to get, this is it.

If I'm him, I go hard after this job, make the NCAAT, maybe win a game, and then get the Pitt job. He can't go from Rutgers 3rd chair to Pitt.

And it's good for Pitt, to see how he actually functions as a head coach.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

It's actually a terrible job, which makes the work Holloway did all the more impressive.

Their facilities are among the worst in the country, their budget is among the smallest in the country, Jersey City is one of the least attractive cities on the east coast, the campus is non-descript and cramped, and they have a tiny enrollment with a minimal endowment for a college of its age.

They'll get some NCAA Tournament money, but the MAAC will split that amongst all its schools, not just Saint Peter's.

They aren't remotely positioned to become a perennial mid-major power and are far more likely to fade back into obscurity.

Yes. The expectations have been raised so a few mediocre years and he'll likely be on the hot seat.

 

[Pitt79]

Yes. The expectations have been raised so a few mediocre years and he'll likely be on the hot seat.

Even this year, outside the 3 NCAAT wins, they where 18-11 or something like that, they weren't even great at their level, just had a great 3 game run.

 

[Voice of Danno]

Saint Peter’s coaching search hits snag: Will Brandin Knight stay at Rutgers?

Rutgers associate head coach Brandin Knight is expected to remain at Rutgers instead of remaining in the mix for the Saint Peter's head coaching job.

www.nj.com

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Saint Peter’s coaching search hits snag: Will Brandin Knight stay at Rutgers?

Rutgers associate head coach Brandin Knight is expected to remain at Rutgers instead of remaining in the mix for the Saint Peter's head coaching job.

www.nj.com

Yea, I kind of thought Knight wouldn't take it. He seems very comfortable as an assistant. Its pretty clear that he doesn't want to be a Head Coach.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Yea, I kind of thought Knight wouldn't take it. He seems very comfortable as an assistant. Its pretty clear that he doesn't want to be a Head Coach.

Taking the wrong job can severely effect your future . Just look in our backyard , when’s the last time anyones gone on to better jobs after a stint Duquesne ?

I’m afraid Pitts now in this situation, at least getting the Pitt job sets you up financially for life , not so with St Peters.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Taking the wrong job can severely effect your future . Just look in our backyard , when’s the last time anyones gone on to better jobs after a stint Duquesne ?

I’m afraid Pitts now in this situation, at least getting the Pitt job sets you up financially for life , not so with St Peters.

Its pretty obvious BK doesn't want to be a HC. There are few mid-majors he can get that will be as good as the SPC gig. His cousin just took them to the Elite 8. While that level is success isnt sustainable, he should be able to bring in enough players in a 20 mile radius to have them at the top of the MAAC

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Its pretty obvious BK doesn't want to be a HC. There are few mid-majors he can get that will be as good as the SPC gig. His cousin just took them to the Elite 8. While that level is success isnt sustainable, he should be able to bring in enough players in a 20 mile radius to have them at the top of the MAAC

Why would anyone take a job paying less money that you can never match the magical season they just had . Your set up for failure .

 

[Voice of Danno]

Of course he wants to be a head coach. But Fsgolfdr is correct. Holloway caught lightening in a bottle. But to move on he needs some success in a one bid league that has Pittino. St Pete's spends in the bottom 5 pct of all college basketball programs. Never had any success until this year. Extraordinarily risky to attached your future to this type of program. Whereas he can sit at Rutgers and choose a better first HC job, He's only 40. So he has plenty of time

 

[JD1976]

Of course he wants to be a head coach. But Fsgolfdr is correct. Holloway caught lightening in a bottle. But to move on he needs some success in a one bid league that has Pittino. St Pete's spends in the bottom 5 pct of all college basketball programs. Never had any success until this year. Extraordinarily risky to attached your future to this type of program. Whereas he can sit at Rutgers and choose a better first HC job, He's only 40. So he has plenty of time

What is the likelihood he have better offers as long as he stays the 3rd chair at Rutgers?

 

[Voice of Danno]

Better more funded MAAC school or American East programs. Sitting 3rd chair got him interest from St Peter's.

 

[Pitt79]

Maybe he thinks Capel is gone next year and he might have a shot at Pitt?

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

Maybe he thinks Capel is gone next year and he might have a shot at Pitt?

I would have hoped Pitt was smart enough to tip him off on that possibility and guide him to TAKE a token HC job somewhere this year to get some growing pains out of the way. Much like Wisconsin and Paul Chryst (at our expense). Guess we didn’t.