Yeah he’s the associate head coach and Pikiell relies more on him than anyone. The 3rd chair stuff is silly
BK to St. Peter's?
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Why are you comparing winning an NIT game to St. Peter's. RMU beat Kentucky in the NIT. SPC beat them in the NCAAT and then won 2 more games.
They are positioned better than any MAAC team not named Iona because for that level, they are a brand. I realize nobody understands what I mean by that and really shouldn't have to explain it but for kids at that level, St. Peter's resonates. Rider does not.
And congratulations to Brandin. He's making good money without the headaches. But dont ask to coach Pitt.
Don't tell SMF that, he thinks that St. Peter's is just going to roll to the NCAA tournament and beyond year after year.
Better bet for next year, St. Peter's makes the NCAA tournament or St. Peter's finishes in the bottom half of the MAAC? The answer to that is obvious to everyone except SMF.
I don't think that. Iona is the Gonzaga of that league. I think the right coach at SPC can build on the Elite and make them the St. Mary's. I am not an SMC historian but I cant imagine they were perfectly positioned for greatness like a Rider or Fairfield currently is.
That's part of your problem right there, thinking that there is any such thing as a Gonzaga of the MAAC.
Thanks Colonialinsider, BBinsdierPitt etc for trying to explain to SMF who has no clue about BK and damn sure doesn’t have a clue about SPC and MAAC level basketball. I’ll take a shot at it but it’s probably useless with SMF.
First as was explained BK is the top assistant and just got a raise to 600K…end of story as SPC can’t pay that.
What Sha did at SPU is practically a miracle and he has a little luck along the way. I know the guy and like BK he works his tail off. But he admitted he got lucky to get their star big man who didn’t play as HS senior and no one new about him until former Seton Hall assistant Tiny Morton gave him the kid. Banks their leading scorer had only one other offer from NEC Wagner and said he picked SPC because of the St Pats connection. And their starting PG was a walk on with no offers. Regardless Sha performed a miracle but it was not sustainable at that school.
SMF you clearly have never set foot on the DUMP of a campus called SPC. Their gym is among the worst in the nation. Tons of HS gyms in your backyard are way nicer. The campus is a dump as well. CCAC has a nicer campus and I’m not joking. They finally tore down most of the housing projects that surrounded part of the campus. I could go on and on. Local kids who have other options will pick the other options 9/10 times.
I have been to most of the MAAC schools and SPU is by far the worst. That’s why it was picked the worst job and John Dunne left for the rare in conference job switch to Marist. SMF will argue for the sake of argument but if he had a kid good enough to play D1 ball he would never recommend his kid go to SPU if he ever set foot on their dump of a campus and gym. Like I said it was a miracle what Sha did this year.
First as was explained BK is the top assistant and just got a raise to 600K…end of story as SPC can’t pay that.
What Sha did at SPU is practically a miracle and he has a little luck along the way. I know the guy and like BK he works his tail off. But he admitted he got lucky to get their star big man who didn’t play as HS senior and no one new about him until former Seton Hall assistant Tiny Morton gave him the kid. Banks their leading scorer had only one other offer from NEC Wagner and said he picked SPC because of the St Pats connection. And their starting PG was a walk on with no offers. Regardless Sha performed a miracle but it was not sustainable at that school.
SMF you clearly have never set foot on the DUMP of a campus called SPC. Their gym is among the worst in the nation. Tons of HS gyms in your backyard are way nicer. The campus is a dump as well. CCAC has a nicer campus and I’m not joking. They finally tore down most of the housing projects that surrounded part of the campus. I could go on and on. Local kids who have other options will pick the other options 9/10 times.
I have been to most of the MAAC schools and SPU is by far the worst. That’s why it was picked the worst job and John Dunne left for the rare in conference job switch to Marist. SMF will argue for the sake of argument but if he had a kid good enough to play D1 ball he would never recommend his kid go to SPU if he ever set foot on their dump of a campus and gym. Like I said it was a miracle what Sha did this year.
Nailed it.
I like Holloway and think he'll do really well at Seton Hall. But his first three years at Saint Peter's weren't remarkable. Heck, the first 25 games of this season weren't remarkable.
He and the Peacocks went on an all-time run of fortune, the kind people dream about in Vegas.
But it is such an uphill battle at Saint Peter's. There's a reason that most of the roster is either kids from Jersey or NYC who didn't have many other options.
Eleven of their kids are from high schools or prep schools in Jersey or NY. Now, that's not a bad area to have to recruit local, but it illustrates how hard it is to bring talent in from elsewhere.
There is just so much more to sustained success than, "They won in the tournament, so they can just ride their name recognition and build from there."
It might extend a few conversations, but you need to have substance to back it up and Saint Peter's doesn't have that.
Jesus dude stop already. You pulled a theory out of your a$$ that probably seemed reasonable when it first came to you. You posted it. Since then your theory has been dismantled, in a civil and respectful way, with hard facts and evidence.
Yet you continue to die on this hill.
The war’s over bro. Werner dropped the big one. Time to pick a new anthill to die on.
BK was the highest paid basketball assistant in the B10 a couple years ago. Maybe still is. You’d think that wouldn’t sit well with the #2 guy at Rutgers, having the #3 guy make more than him and all.
I’m thinking he won’t do anything special at Seton Hall. Certainly no better than his predecessor. You heard it here first.
Well said. Agree he will do well at Seton Hall. As stated he went on an All time run this year at SPU and no one, not even Sha can sustain what he/they did this year. That program can’t stay near the top of the MAAC like an Iona. Unlike SPU Iona has a nice campus and renovated gym. They are a short drive/train ride to NYC and can recruit the local talent (long list of really good players) but also kids from far like the campus/ student life as well.
From what others and myself described as a real tough job this was a good hire. As I said the school & gym are a dump and they can’t pay much. He did a nice job at Wagner and is from Jersey City which can’t hurt. Don’t expect anything like Sha did this year which was a miracle. Now his job is to try and retain some of the main guys from transferring.
did you guys see that 3 of their returning starters are in transfer portal, including White Doug..
Smart move from those kids to give themselves options as they can always go back to SPC. Doug already transferred to Bryant.
I'm actually surprised Mason took the job. Yeah, he's got Jersey City connections and the MAAC is a better league than the NEC. But he was at Wagner a while and was making decent money. I bet he was making more at Wagner than Holloway was making at Saint Peter's.
If he's getting a raise, I'd be surprised if it's a substantially bigger one. And I hope he's got it in writing that Saint Peter's is going to give him the capital to hire a good, fairly compensated staff.
Yes I was surprised as well. Had a better campus and facilities at Wagner. It’s not like he couldn’t still live in Jersey City and make the drive to Wagner. Agree, hopefully he got promises in writing.
Mason is going from low major to mid-major. This isn't difficult to figure out. He's a few good seasons away from a P6 or A10/AAC level job now.
Mason was making between $250k and $300k at Wagner. Holloway made $266k at Saint Peter's.
He upgraded in conference, but it's still a one-bid league, one that is taking a hit with Monmouth leaving for the CAA. He also leaves behind a program that had a better home gym and more resources.
It's not the jump you think it is.
People don't coach for money according to many on this board because Joe Lombardi doesn't. But, then people do coach for money according to many on this board because BK can never take a paycut to be a mid-major HC.
Also, spare me the league taking a hit because Monmouth is leaving. Nobody ever heard of them and they never won the MAAC. Going from low major to mid major is a big step up from Mason even if Wagner had a nicer campus and a bigger library. Who gives AF
Considering Monmouth is who Saint Peter's beat in the MAAC championship game, I'm guessing a few people have heard of them.
And I'd say losing a 20-win team and consistent contender absolutely damages a league, even if you think people have never heard of the school. There are 32 Division I conferences, many of them full of teams "no one has ever heard of". Those nameless, faceless teams have an impact on the quality of play in those conferences.
So, while Monmouth may be unknown, the MAAC just got weaker and took a step down toward being a low-major conference.
The MAAC got no weaker. The league is and always has been Iona, Siena and everyone else. SPC has a chance to jump up especially with Siena being down
Monmouth has more MAAC championship game appearances and more 20 win seasons than Siena does in the past 10 years.
0 championships. Its not a loss. The only major loss for that league would be Iona
