Bowls: Just read an article in the morning Trib that I don't like....

[UPitt '89]

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/9561454-74/bowl-state-west#axzz3tWNXSdoA

Barnes quoted as saying:

“We have an actual plan that we submitted (to bowl organizers) — they weren't asking for one — to mobilize Panther Nation to those bowls that are drivable,” said Pitt athletic director Scott Barnes, who added he did the same while at Utah State. “We certainly haven't done that in the past (here). That helped open some eyes.”


That tells me Barnes is going to accept being moved to the Military Bowl in Annapolis.... or even worse, the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit.

Because the only other "drivable" bowls are the Pinstripe or the Belk or the Music City... and all three of those are at least 6 hours away.

I hope he didn't reject a chance to be in the Sun Bowl or Taxslayer Bowl so we could drop to a Tier 2 bowl like the Military.

But his quote bothers me. I now think we might play Navy in the Military Bowl. And that would suck.

 

[California Panther]

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/9561454-74/bowl-state-west#axzz3tWNXSdoA

Barnes quoted as saying:

“We have an actual plan that we submitted (to bowl organizers) — they weren't asking for one — to mobilize Panther Nation to those bowls that are drivable,” said Pitt athletic director Scott Barnes, who added he did the same while at Utah State. “We certainly haven't done that in the past (here). That helped open some eyes.”


That tells me Barnes is going to accept being moved to the Military Bowl in Annapolis.... or even worse, the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit.

Because the only other "drivable" bowls are the Pinstripe or the Belk or the Music City... and all three of those are at least 6 hours away.

I hope he didn't reject a chance to be in the Sun Bowl or Taxslayer Bowl so we could drop to a Tier 2 bowl like the Military.

But his quote bothers me. I now think we might play Navy in the Military Bowl. And that would suck.

There isn't that much driving distance difference between 5 hrs drive to Annapolis or 6 hrs drive to NYC? Don't give up on the Pinstripe too easily. If he gives up a Tier 1 bowl because he wants a drivable bowl, that really does suck and gives the ACC the feasibility to dump us lower each year .

 

[UPitt '89]

Barnes really had a smiley-level f*** up if he pushed to move us down to tier 2 just to get a driveable bowl.

Colossal mistake on his part.

 

[JoeScaz]

Barnes really had a smiley-level f*** up if he pushed to move us down to tier 2 just to get a driveable bowl.

Colossal mistake on his part.

Military.. on NAVY's home field, or in Detroit --again. . REEKS of small time, and makes me wonder if we ever get off that bubble.. completely disgusting.

 

[California Panther]

Barnes really had a smiley-level f*** up if he pushed to move us down to tier 2 just to get a driveable bowl.

Colossal mistake on his part.

Would that also make us the only team to play in a bowl game against a team playing on their home field? Totally sad if he arranged that.

 

[UPitt '89]

The past hour is the first time I've felt Barnes is really out of touch.

It's one thing to have the ACC foist a bowl on him... it is another thing for him to be stupid enough to push for a lesser bowl just because it's more driveable.

Bad, bad, bad move. .. if true.

I hope it isn't true.

 

[California Panther]

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/9561454-74/bowl-state-west#axzz3tWNXSdoA

Barnes quoted as saying:

“We have an actual plan that we submitted (to bowl organizers) — they weren't asking for one — to mobilize Panther Nation to those bowls that are drivable,” said Pitt athletic director Scott Barnes, who added he did the same while at Utah State.

Name a bowl game that is drivable from Utah State? The only one reasonably close is the one in Boise, right? What a whack-job idea! Now we'll never escape Detroit or Annapolis with this crazy drivable concoction.

 

[drunkinoakland]

Military.. on NAVY's home field, or in Detroit --again. . REEKS of small time, and makes me wonder if we ever get off that bubble.. completely disgusting.

You guys are all losers. The train is speeding up. I'm on it. Stop worrying about meaningless shit like bowl opponents.

 

[JoeScaz]

As we know.. much of college football is the perception game.. and this would be taking a considerable blow perception-wise, both locally, and people that would tune into the Sun Bowl v UCLA or UTAH instead of the Keenan "Reynolds last college game show".. or vs 5-7 Minnesota in Detroit.

 

[JoeScaz]

You guys are all losers. The train is speeding up. I'm on it. Stop worrying about meaningless shit like bowl opponents.

A loser would position himself as you have. Point your train off of a short pier....

 

[drunkinoakland]

As we know.. much of college football is the perception game.. and this would be taking a considerable blow perception-wise, both locally, and people that would tune into the Sun Bowl v UCLA or UTAH instead of the Keenan "Reynolds last college game show".. or vs 5-7 Minnesota in Detroit.

This year is over. Who cares who we play in a meaningless bowl. It isn't like we are Alabama and above playing someone in the Belk Bowl.

Win the meaningless bowl. Start next year hot. Perception is built from winning, not from some bowl opponent.

 

[UPitt '89]

You guys are all losers. The train is speeding up. I'm on it. Stop worrying about meaningless shit like bowl opponents.

Going to the military bowl is accepting the 7th best ACC bowl, despite being the 4th or 5th best team.

Going to the quick lane bowl is accepting the 9th best ACC bowl. Literally, the worst bowl an ACC team can go to.

It's a perception thing. It's a loser bowl. The team deserves better than Detroit. .. or playing a road game against Navy.

Barnes f-ed up if the trib article is accurate. Big time f*** up.

 

[JoeScaz]

This year is over. Who cares who we play in a meaningless bowl. It isn't like we are Alabama and above playing someone in the Belk Bowl.

Win the meaningless bowl. Start next year hot. Perception is built from winning, not from some bowl opponent.

1/2 correct. Pittsburgh is a city that buys into "name things" and either of these places being a "destination" is just wrong. You know that and I do. Why do WE take a backseat to Duke in regard to getting to NYC? The whole thing is stupid.

 

[drunkinoakland]

1/2 correct. Pittsburgh is a city that buys into "name things" and either of these places being a "desination" is just wrong. You know that and I do. Why do WE take a backseat to Duke in regard to getting to NYC? The whole thing is stupid.

You guys are so dense. The plan he pit together was to give to the Pinstripe. In an effort to prove that we could fill it. He isn't sabotaging, he isn't a moron, he never says he'd accept a lesser bowl because it was more drivable.

If he did I'm sure he's done the cost benefit of analysis of having more fans there vs playing in a better bowl. But I doubt that is what he is saying.

 

[drunkinoakland]

1/2 correct. Pittsburgh is a city that buys into "name things" and either of these places being a "desination" is just wrong. You know that and I do. Why do WE take a backseat to Duke in regard to getting to NYC? The whole thing is stupid.

Name things? These people that complain are going to watch on tv regardless of if we play UCLA or Bowling Green. That is a fact. Playing UCLA or even Alabama doesn't increase our brand just because they are name brands. At this stage, winning is all that matters.

 

[UPitt '89]

You guys are so dense. The plan he pit together was to give to the Pinstripe. In an effort to prove that we could fill it. He isn't sabotaging, he isn't a moron, he never says he'd accept a lesser bowl because it was more drivable.

If he did I'm sure he's done the cost benefit of analysis of having more fans there vs playing in a better bowl. But I doubt that is what he is saying.

If we get the pinstripe, you're right.

But Stuart Mandel of fox sports is projecting us in the military bowl now too... saying that Duke is pushing hard for nyc and pinstripe.

If Barnes let Duke push past him to the pinstripe, Barnes is a dope.

 

[drunkinoakland]

If we get the pinstripe, you're right.

But Stuart Mandel of fox sports is projecting us in the military bowl now too... saying that Duke is pushing hard for nyc and pinstripe.

If Barnes let Duke push past him to the pinstripe, Barnes is a dope.

You are a moron. All he can do is lobby. He is looking out for our best interest. If Pinstripe takes Duke, perhaps thst is just their decision, not us "rejecting" a better bowl.

 

[JoeScaz]

If we get the pinstripe, you're right.

But Stuart Mandel of fox sports is projecting us in the military bowl now too... saying that Duke is pushing hard for nyc and pinstripe.

If Barnes let Duke push past him to the pinstripe, Barnes is a dope.

I agree. To get pushed by Duke football is a major insult and there's no rationalization except a basketball fanbase that exists in NJ/NY.

 

[JoeScaz]

You are a moron. All he can do is lobby. He is looking out for our best interest. If Pinstripe takes Duke, perhaps thst is just their decision, not us "rejecting" a better bowl.

You are not comfortable without name calling. We get it, you're the drunk crazy internet board guy. Our ADs job IS to lobby...And get what's best for the program.

 

[UPitt '89]

You are a moron. All he can do is lobby. He is looking out for our best interest. If Pinstripe takes Duke, perhaps thst is just their decision, not us "rejecting" a better bowl.

Barnes is quoted as saying he submitted only driveable bowls to the bowl organizers... and the story strongly implied that Barnes is willing to drop from tier 1 down to tier 2 to get a driveable bowl.

Great message for recruits... Come to Pitt, where you can finish 4th in the conference and end up playing a bowl game ... in Detroit... reserved for the 9th place ACC team.

Or, come to Pitt, where you can finish 4th in the conference and play a non-P5 team on their home turf in a bowl meant for the 7th best ACC team.

 

[drunkinoakland]

Barnes is quoted as saying he submitted only driveable bowls to the bowl organizers... and the story strongly implied that Barnes is willing to drop from tier 1 down to tier 2 to get a driveable bowl.

Great message for recruits... Come to Pitt, where you can finish 4th in the conference and end up playing a bowl game ... in Detroit... reserved for the 9th place ACC team.

Or, come to Pitt, where you can finish 4th in the conference and play a non-P5 team on their home turf in a bowl meant for the 7th best ACC team.

He never said "only" drivable. You guys are putting words in his mouth. The article never suggests only submitting plans to drivable bowls. Each bowl makes their own decisions.

The article was showing that Barnes has submitted plans to specific bowls, meaning that if worst case scenario happens and we get screwed with a lower bowl, he has already proven that we have a plan for.

The inability to read is staggering.

 

[Saboteur]

Barnes really had a smiley-level f*** up if he pushed to move us down to tier 2 just to get a driveable bowl.

Colossal mistake on his part.

I disagree. Pitt needs to shed the reputation of not traveling. The best way to do that is fine the venue most conducive to getting fans and students to the game.
Building solid foundations is not sexy, but is far more effective than flash. PITT has never... I mean never...paid attention to basics until now. No wonder few recognize it.

 

[Saboteur]

I disagree. Pitt needs to shed the reputation of not traveling. The best way to do that is fine the venue most conducive to getting fans and students to the game.
Building solid foundations is not sexy, but is far more effective than flash. PITT has never... I mean never...paid attention to basics until now. No wonder few recognize it.

I will add this.. How many attended the Fiesta Bowl? Were there many Pitt fans there? Not in my section...at the 20..where other Pitt fans were supposed to be.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I disagree. Pitt needs to shed the reputation of not traveling. The best way to do that is fine the venue most conducive to getting fans and students to the game.
Building solid foundations is not sexy, but is far more effective than flash. PITT has never... I mean never...paid attention to basics until now. No wonder few recognize it.

^^^This is it.^^^ We, collectively as fans, have put ourselves into this position. When we don't travel well, the better bowls will look elsewhere to programs that do go to their bowl games.

Personally, I'm tired of the lame excuses. I used to hear that once Pitt got competitive...and played meaningful games...against decent competition...that the fans would come. Well, this season debunked those theories. We were highly competitive and played a respectable home schedule, yet the attendance remained disappointing.

 

[McCool]

Attendance will fix itself over time once the casual fans realize that the program is for real again, but in the meantime, you don't relinquish what the team has earned on the field, the right to a tier 1 bowl. if accurate, it is stupid.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

He can't really dictate anything. I think you guys are overreacting.

For the ones headed to bowls, exactly where they will wind up playing is largely out of their hands. For the ACC-affiliated games, the choices pretty much rest with the bowls themselves.

Michael Strickland, the league's senior associate commissioner of football operations, said "factual input" received from the schools is a factor.

"Certainly (schools) don't have veto rights to say, 'You cannot send me here,' nor do they have the rights to say, 'You must send me to this bowl,'" Strickland said.

"We have foundational selection guidelines and parameters, but as long as those parameters are followed, our bowl partners make the ultimate selections," he said. "We have no authority as the ACC to say, 'You must take this team because we said so.' We intentionally did not want to secure that."

Strickland said those bowls decide among themselves which schools they will take, making "a collective decision" that gives them some flexibility to arrange more attractive matchups.


http://www.usnews.com/news/sports/a...mplicated-bowl-picture-starting-to-take-shape

 

[NC Panther]

I "think" he just may be lobbying (hard) for the two realistic Tier 1 bowls that are driveable for Pitt fans and that the bowls are considering.

Belk and Pinstripe.

Music City and Taxslayer - we're not going there.

ND is going to a New Year 6 bowl - no question.

I can't believe that Barnes would ever push for a Tier 2 ACC bowl based solely on driving distance because our place in the ACC standings clearly dictates a Tier1 bowl.

He knows that - he just doesn't want us to go to the Sun.

Belk is where we "should" go but, my guess would be that Beamer has a lock on that one.

 

[TD_istheman]

^^^This is it.^^^ We, collectively as fans, have put ourselves into this position. When we don't travel well, the better bowls will look elsewhere to programs that do go to their bowl games.

Personally, I'm tired of the lame excuses. I used to hear that once Pitt got competitive...and played meaningful games...against decent competition...that the fans would come. Well, this season debunked those theories. We were highly competitive and played a respectable home schedule, yet the attendance remained disappointing.

This is crap, stop blaming fans, Pitt fans were abused by the past 3 administration's!

 

[Piranha]

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/9561454-74/bowl-state-west#axzz3tWNXSdoA

Barnes quoted as saying:

“We have an actual plan that we submitted (to bowl organizers) — they weren't asking for one — to mobilize Panther Nation to those bowls that are drivable,” said Pitt athletic director Scott Barnes, who added he did the same while at Utah State. “We certainly haven't done that in the past (here). That helped open some eyes.”


That tells me Barnes is going to accept being moved to the Military Bowl in Annapolis.... or even worse, the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit.

Because the only other "drivable" bowls are the Pinstripe or the Belk or the Music City... and all three of those are at least 6 hours away.

I hope he didn't reject a chance to be in the Sun Bowl or Taxslayer Bowl so we could drop to a Tier 2 bowl like the Military.

But his quote bothers me. I now think we might play Navy in the Military Bowl. And that would suck.

Detroit is the absolute worst pick.

 

[OriginalEther]

Actually, I would rather see Pitt play Navy than Indiana. Truth be told, Minnesota is a better option than Indiana; at least Minny has some history of winning.

 

[PittMan 72]

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/9561454-74/bowl-state-west#axzz3tWNXSdoA

Barnes quoted as saying:

“We have an actual plan that we submitted (to bowl organizers) — they weren't asking for one — to mobilize Panther Nation to those bowls that are drivable,” said Pitt athletic director Scott Barnes, who added he did the same while at Utah State. “We certainly haven't done that in the past (here). That helped open some eyes.”


That tells me Barnes is going to accept being moved to the Military Bowl in Annapolis.... or even worse, the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit.

Because the only other "drivable" bowls are the Pinstripe or the Belk or the Music City... and all three of those are at least 6 hours away.

I hope he didn't reject a chance to be in the Sun Bowl or Taxslayer Bowl so we could drop to a Tier 2 bowl like the Military.

But his quote bothers me. I now think we might play Navy in the Military Bowl. And that would suck.

Did Barnes name the bowls that he considers to be drivable for Pitt fans?

 

[Saboteur]

If we get the pinstripe, you're right.

But Stuart Mandel of fox sports is projecting us in the military bowl now too... saying that Duke is pushing hard for nyc and pinstripe.

If Barnes let Duke push past him to the pinstripe, Barnes is a dope.

Barnes a Dope? Perhaps you have been under a rock for the last 30 years. Pitt, as much as I love it, cannot match the Duke brand. Not close. In a battle for TV viewers across the nation you sell brands...not records.
Barnes can't undo in a few phone calls what it took decades of failure, neglect and ambivalence to establish....a commitment to mediocrity.
I wince when a proven professional is tagged a Dope, idiot, moron, etc...,by people who don't have any concept of the difficult task of others.
Also, smart people make mistakes. Were a mistake to occur, hard to label Barnes a "Dope".
I've seen a Dope or two....Barnes is about as far from being a Dope as is possible.

 

[JoeScaz]

I think you are confusing the Duke football brand with basketball.. Duke plays to a 1/2 empty stadium, except their joint seats 30k less than ours. Their football brand sucks...

Barnes a Dope? Perhaps you have been under a rock for the last 30 years. Pitt, as much as I love it, cannot match the Duke brand. Not close. In a battle for TV viewers across the nation you sell brands...not records.
Barnes can't undo in a few phone calls what it took decades of failure, neglect and ambivalence to establish....a commitment to mediocrity.
I wince when a proven professional is tagged a Dope, idiot, moron, etc...,by people who don't have any concept of the difficult task of others.
Also, smart people make mistakes. Were a mistake to occur, hard to label Barnes a "Dope".
I've seen a Dope or two....Barnes is about as far from being a Dope as is possible.

 

[FourPanthers]

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/9561454-74/bowl-state-west#axzz3tWNXSdoA

Barnes quoted as saying:

“We have an actual plan that we submitted (to bowl organizers) — they weren't asking for one — to mobilize Panther Nation to those bowls that are drivable,” said Pitt athletic director Scott Barnes, who added he did the same while at Utah State. “We certainly haven't done that in the past (here). That helped open some eyes.”


That tells me Barnes is going to accept being moved to the Military Bowl in Annapolis.... or even worse, the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit.

Because the only other "drivable" bowls are the Pinstripe or the Belk or the Music City... and all three of those are at least 6 hours away.

I hope he didn't reject a chance to be in the Sun Bowl or Taxslayer Bowl so we could drop to a Tier 2 bowl like the Military.

But his quote bothers me. I now think we might play Navy in the Military Bowl. And that would suck.

This is a case of "be careful what you ask for". You wanted Barnes, you got him! Pederson would've spent the week wheeling and dealing for the best bowl possible as he did many times. Which is tough to do when you have fans who won't travel. Barnes has certainly come in with the attitude that EVERYTHING done here in the past has been wrong. That would make him wrong!

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I think you are confusing the Duke football brand with basketball.. Duke plays to a 1/2 empty stadium, except their joint seats 30k less than ours. Their football brand sucks...

I tend to agree. Pitt football is known to always have solid TV ratings. Duke football? Not so much.

 

[Saboteur]

I think you are confusing the Duke football brand with basketball.. Duke plays to a 1/2 empty stadium, except their joint seats 30k less than ours. Their football brand sucks...

I'm.not confusing anything. Everyone knows the Duke brand. Everyone..even in places like Tulare California.

 

[PittPoker]

I'm.not confusing anything. Everyone knows the Duke brand. Everyone..even in places like Tulare California.

I love Daisy Dukes!!!

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

This is a case of "be careful what you ask for". You wanted Barnes, you got him! Pederson would've spent the week wheeling and dealing for the best bowl possible as he did many times. Which is tough to do when you have fans who won't travel. Barnes has certainly come in with the attitude that EVERYTHING done here in the past has been wrong. That would make him wrong!

Based on what? What major things has he changed? Again, there's not much 'wheeling and dealing' that can be done nowadays. And what 'wheeling and dealing' did Steve do? Compass Bowls?

 

[TD_6082]

This is a case of "be careful what you ask for". You wanted Barnes, you got him! Pederson would've spent the week wheeling and dealing for the best bowl possible as he did many times. Which is tough to do when you have fans who won't travel. Barnes has certainly come in with the attitude that EVERYTHING done here in the past has been wrong. That would make him wrong!

Pederson must have sucked at 'wheeling and dealing' unless he was under the impression Birmingham was a magical place.

I don't get the fuss over bowl destinations. We have the playoffs & Tier nobody gives a damn. Enjoy the extra game.

 

[UPitt '89]

Actually, I would rather see Pitt play Navy than Indiana. Truth be told, Minnesota is a better option than Indiana; at least Minny has some history of winning.

Navy would be on their home turf.

It would literally be a road game.

That's not acceptable for the season we had.