It needs to be brought up, again. Capel made it a talking point, only nobody is talking about it.
Let's discuss.
Let's discuss.
Brick by brick
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I think he is building brick by brick just his foundational bricks -Trey/X/Toney may not have been the right ones.
And he is having trouble finding a big.
when I look at our roster in two years and even next year I know we will be better.
2021 lack of a class has me concerned as well but the fact that this year doesn’t count for eligibility helps a program like Pitt who needs older players to be successful right now.
since the guys we have can stay an extra year and mature.
I think most of our problems are internal to our players - lacking maturity and/or motivation. Having been in management before , sometimes it takes a while to figure out how to get someone to be part of the team and what motivates them to do so.
you don’t beat good teams with more talent with poor coaching and every year Capel has been here we have punched above our weight in a few games. I am not saying Capel is Wooden but I think he is a good enough tactician to win in the ACC.
And he is having trouble finding a big.
when I look at our roster in two years and even next year I know we will be better.
2021 lack of a class has me concerned as well but the fact that this year doesn’t count for eligibility helps a program like Pitt who needs older players to be successful right now.
since the guys we have can stay an extra year and mature.
I think most of our problems are internal to our players - lacking maturity and/or motivation. Having been in management before , sometimes it takes a while to figure out how to get someone to be part of the team and what motivates them to do so.
you don’t beat good teams with more talent with poor coaching and every year Capel has been here we have punched above our weight in a few games. I am not saying Capel is Wooden but I think he is a good enough tactician to win in the ACC.
Why?
In 2 years, this is the team:
Seniors
Coulibaly - backup C at best on an NCAAT team
Horton - legit starting 2
Drumgoole- probably not on roster
Juniors
Jeffress/Collier - no Pitt freshmen have ever played less and then went on to have good careers
Amadusun - will never play here
Odukale - could be legit PG
So, Pitt may have a legit junior PG and a legit senior 2. That's it. There is hope that Jeffress and Collier could be legit 3s and 4s but the fact they cant get ANY PT on a bad team is deeply concerning.
Little did we know coach was talking about shooting ~
But saying a conversation about a guy waiting for multiple felonies is dumb makes me an asshole. Lmao
2 years ago who was on pitts roster that is now?
X, Brown, and Toney-
as an “insider” you should know how quick rosters turnover.
saying that did not make you asshole. Saying “you sound like Capel coming with up with excuses” makes you “sound like an asshole”. Are you smart enough to understand the difference?
Just go away. Seriously do you hijack every thread? This is a message board, the only thing "silly" is you coming into every thread trying to justify this 3rd straight choke job of a Jeff Capel coached Pitt team.
And I thought ski whatever his name was bad. You bro are cruising right past him. Are YOU smart enough to realize how much of a tool you sound like in every thread you hijack?
True. Let me look to the 2021 class to see who is gonna be on the roster
Why do you defend Capel so vehemently? Some people don’t think he’s doing a good job and he constantly makes excuses for the poor job he’s doing. You don’t. It can be a conversation. It doesn’t “make me an asshole.”
You should see him on the payboard. He does the same crap there too. It's weird he used to be imo a much cooler poster. He wasn't so in your face insulting and nasty and confrontational. Recently though he's completely off the rails. Not sure what happened to him.
Capel needs to be given a solid five years before we judge. He's gotten us from a terrible, awful place to mediocrity. That's the easy part. I still believe he'll have us in the tournament within a few years. But the prior regimes left us in a bad, bad place and he needs to be given some slack.
For argument's sake, lets say we go 3-17 next year and the 2022 class looks bad. Does he still get a 5th?
He’s getting 5 years regardless. I don’t know one kid we are close to in the 21 or 22 class.
Let’s look at what happened here....
I didn’t bring up Capel once. I said it’s silly to talk about what the roster is going to look like 2 years from now. It was a reply to SMF.
bball insider then brings another thread into this thread (that would be hijacking right?). Then Pitt poker comes in to talk about me hijacking threads. Is that an accurate assessment of what happened?
meanwhile I didn’t address either of you in my initial post.
what have I defended about Capel specifically?
not liking Capel doesn’t make you an asshole. The way you post and treat people on here makes you “sound” like an asshole.
Two people would say im confrontational. You two. How many squabbles do you two get in daily? Go back to bball insiders post about running into assholes.
also the one about the company you keep.
That's probably a safe bet but if next year is really bad and the 2022 class is bad, Heather at least has to consider moving on.
Recruiting is getting so bad, it reminds me of that 1 Willard class where he whiffed on everyone and had to bring in mid-major recruits like Shin, Leslie, Flores, and Finneman.
I think the plug would be pulled in that scenario, with the 2022 class as the nail in the coffin because Pitt would just be prolonging the inevitable. Four years in college hoops is more than enough time. This program would be in much better shape if Capel did a better job in that first full class. That’s killing the program at the moment IMO.
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Toney was okay as a brick, but neither Trey nor X, who seem to be the same player with the same skills and flaws. We could actually merge them and call them TreX.
Three years later it's easy to
say Trey, X, and Toney were not
bricks. When they were recruited
they clearly were. IMO they still
were after year One. The real
problem was nobody of real note
was added. Champ? That was
totally unexpected, so give Capel
kudos on his recruitment.
We have not been able to land a
true big, and that is killing us.
There are bricks and there are
"bricks." Ours are of a weaker
quality. I see it the same as the
construction field. You wouldn't
use weak bricks building your house.
Same thing with Capel building his
program. For the most part, we have
mediocre (weak) bricks.
say Trey, X, and Toney were not
bricks. When they were recruited
they clearly were. IMO they still
were after year One. The real
problem was nobody of real note
was added. Champ? That was
totally unexpected, so give Capel
kudos on his recruitment.
We have not been able to land a
true big, and that is killing us.
There are bricks and there are
"bricks." Ours are of a weaker
quality. I see it the same as the
construction field. You wouldn't
use weak bricks building your house.
Same thing with Capel building his
program. For the most part, we have
mediocre (weak) bricks.
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I think what has happened to Pitts last two coaches and to a certain extent to JD in his last five yrs is that they overestimated their ability to attract top quality recruits to the university . Pitt is constantly in their top 5 bs that these highly rated kids put out on social media , only to see them go elsewhere . They’re in early on a lot of these kids , but when they blowup Pitts not really in the picture any longer . Then they miss out on the next level kid because other programs prioritized them .
Some on here totally disregard the constant losing for the last 5 yrs thinking that plays no role in the decision making , process , IMO that is wrong . Who wants to go play for a losing program or at best a potential middle of the pack team when they can go play in a winning program ? You can’t win in the ACC without top talent and you can’t get top talent (within the rules ) without winning ! Great coaching plays a role , but did Coach K and Calipari forget how to coach this yr !
I‘m not going to suggest to JC that he stops trying to recruit the elite kids , but I think he needs to put more focus on kids that would love to come and play for Pitt who aren’t rated as highly . A perfect example is JC who was rated #247 . Find the center whose 2 inches shorter than the elite kids who can play or guards who are a half of a step slower than the elites but can actually shoot , these kids are out there . No matter who coaches Pitt he’s not going to out recruit the elites , finding a different path is the only way . If you build a team capable of winning or seriously competing in the ACC now you have a chance of winning those recruiting battles your losing .
Some on here totally disregard the constant losing for the last 5 yrs thinking that plays no role in the decision making , process , IMO that is wrong . Who wants to go play for a losing program or at best a potential middle of the pack team when they can go play in a winning program ? You can’t win in the ACC without top talent and you can’t get top talent (within the rules ) without winning ! Great coaching plays a role , but did Coach K and Calipari forget how to coach this yr !
I‘m not going to suggest to JC that he stops trying to recruit the elite kids , but I think he needs to put more focus on kids that would love to come and play for Pitt who aren’t rated as highly . A perfect example is JC who was rated #247 . Find the center whose 2 inches shorter than the elite kids who can play or guards who are a half of a step slower than the elites but can actually shoot , these kids are out there . No matter who coaches Pitt he’s not going to out recruit the elites , finding a different path is the only way . If you build a team capable of winning or seriously competing in the ACC now you have a chance of winning those recruiting battles your losing .
Absolutely. I have been saying this. That 1st full class is the one where you typically see a nice bump because the coach can sell a vision and there's enthusiasm around the program. Instead we got:
- an ACC reserve center
- a mid-major JUCO guard who left after 1 season
- a mid-major SF who has never played
- Champagnie who is leaving
Its very likely that his first full class will have only 1 player remain to see their 3rd season. That has killed the program as you said.
Agree with most of your post except that Capel's a good enough tactician to win in the ACC. Still think he needs to have more talent than opposition to win and more discipline with his players. With that said, let's see where the program is headed at the end of his 5th year before an extension or termination is made.
Totally agreed. Capel blew it big time with that class. We forget now but there was excitement from the three freshmen that year with a few nice wins. If he was the recruiter we had hoped for he would have parlayed that into recruiting wins. But what good player now is going to want to come to Pitt? We are not good and player development is greatly lacking.
Capel can't recruit marginal players because he can't develop anyone. The only productive players we have right now have been productive right from their freshman/debut years.
Does anyone really believe Champagnie would be any worse if he were playing for a different team and coach?
Who was a 250-300 mid-major recruit
A high major conference and a team in St Johns that is really starting to come together
Wasn't Hugley a true big or at least pretty close to it? It could have helped to have him there Wednesday night with NC State's two bigs.
Sure, you could say that. However
I saw him as a power forward who
could play alongside a real Center
giving us two bigs on the floor at
once.
Yes, definitely would have helped
against NC State's two bigs.
Of course but his ranking had him at the low "high major" to mid-major level.
I'm not too concerned about Jeffress. Some guys his age are getting ready for their junior prom.
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