Canadas offense will really click with a mobile qb

[President Stache]

Just came back from the game. Was really impressed with our play although I.can say this is the first time I can remember a narduzzi team getting run at so quick off the opening gun. Maddox and lewis got beat all day.

Offense was very impressive yet again and kept thinking if we added a qb who would be dangerous with the read option that would be a deadly combo to defend against. But hats off to a basic run offense geting 500 yards per game.

 

[steel_curtain]

-Agree, we need a qb with speed and this whole offense opens up. We have yet to see a wildcat formation too, and I'm very surprised by this. I really want to see Henderson and Conner both come out of it. UNCs dline is decimated with injuries. We should have big success running next week. Now if the defense can hold them to under 38... Next weeks game will be tight, but winnable.

 

[oldpantherfan]

I agree but we don't recruit those. Look at the bench.

 

[President Stache]

Narduzzi has been trying HARD to.get one, look at the offers the past 2 years.

Macvittie has quicks too

 

[vegasgreed]

agreed. PN wants a pro style game manager. the duel threat guys are not looking at us. they don't want ground and pound.

pay close attention to what the recruits are actually doing, not what we hope they will do.

in regards to canada, since the hire, he's not exactly moved the needle in qb recruiting.

even the great Saban is now playing a true freshman who is a spread type QB.

I agree but we don't recruit those. Look at the bench.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Huh? I thought MacVittie had a lot of speed?

 

[Pitt1992]

Macvittie has a ton off speed,he ran a 4.5

 

[steel_curtain]

Macvittie has a ton off speed,he ran a 4.5

-4.5 speed recorded at 2 different camps. Tmac is the fastest Qb in Pitt history, or right around it. Very very few Qbs have 4.5 speed. Peterman isnt even in the same world in terms of speed, its not even close.

 

[runthewildcat]

-Agree, we need a qb with speed and this whole offense opens up. We have yet to see a wildcat formation too, and I'm very surprised by this. I really want to see Henderson and Conner both come out of it. UNCs dline is decimated with injuries. We should have big success running next week. Now if the defense can hold them to under 38... Next weeks game will be tight, but winnable.

That is going to be tough!

 

[Delpanther]

The running game is about as varied as I have ever seen. Throw in a QB who's a playmaker and you would really have something.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

-4.5 speed recorded at 2 different camps. Tmac is the fastest Qb in Pitt history, or right around it. Very very few Qbs have 4.5 speed. Peterman isnt even in the same world in terms of speed, its not even close.

The next Darnell Dickerson.

 

[TheOldDirtyPanther]

The next Darnell Dickerson.

I was going to say Darnell and Rutherford was not slow.

 

[Swervin27]

With our propensity to go east-west, I'm almost thinking voytik would have been a better fit. Chad was good at rolling out, couldn't step up in pocket and make throw downfield. We don't do that so...

 

[4Mark_Marty]

I was going to say Darnell and Rutherford was not slow.

Much more discipline on this squad.

 

[President Stache]

Macvittie will do great in this offense

 

[gary2]

Just came back from the game. Was really impressed with our play although I.can say this is the first time I can remember a narduzzi team getting run at so quick off the opening gun. Maddox and lewis got beat all day.

Offense was very impressive yet again and kept thinking if we added a qb who would be dangerous with the read option that would be a deadly combo to defend against. But hats off to a basic run offense geting 500 yards per game.

I do not want a read option qb. While it is working, I am not exactly thrilled will all the motion either.

We are in the Northeast. I think our best bet is to model our offense on old USC or old Penn State. Power running and a Pro style qb. Dominate the line of scrimmage and throw mostly on sure running downs (down and distance)

Bring back the fb in front of the tb.

 

[President Stache]

I disagree for.this season. If we dont have wrs then id rather abandon the pass except to open up the run

 

[Pittguy1980]

With our propensity to go east-west, I'm almost thinking voytik would have been a better fit. Chad was good at rolling out, couldn't step up in pocket and make throw downfield. We don't do that so...

Completely agree. With our offense even last year, I didn't really get why Voytik wasn't utilized like that.

 

[Swervin27]

Completely agree. With our offense even last year, I didn't really get why Voytik wasn't utilized like that.

Last year we actually threw the ball, from the pocket, hence chad being benched. We needed a real qb last year. The jump pass while fading away throws that chad loves so much had no part in chanteys offense.

This year, with zero efforts to step up in pocket and make throws vertical, maybe chad's lack of basic fundamentals wouldn't be such a liability.

 

[thebadby2]

Just came back from the game. Was really impressed with our play although I.can say this is the first time I can remember a narduzzi team getting run at so quick off the opening gun. Maddox and lewis got beat all day.

Offense was very impressive yet again and kept thinking if we added a qb who would be dangerous with the read option that would be a deadly combo to defend against. But hats off to a basic run offense geting 500 yards per game.

I.can say this is the first time I can remember a narduzzi team getting run at so quick off the opening gun.

See the 2015 Cotton Bowl for a carbon copy of what you saw Saturday out of the Pitt D.

Narduzzi's emphasis on stuffing the run doesn't play out so well against teams that spread the field and throw the ball all over the place with a good QB and receivers, especially when he isn't getting pressure on the QB. Stopping the run is important against most opponents, but some teams, like a Baylor (under Briles) or OSU, don't care how they move the ball, run or pass. You stop the run on them, they'll throw it every play.

 

[thebadby2]

I do not want a read option qb. While it is working, I am not exactly thrilled will all the motion either.

We are in the Northeast. I think our best bet is to model our offense on old USC or old Penn State. Power running and a Pro style qb. Dominate the line of scrimmage and throw mostly on sure running downs (down and distance)

Bring back the fb in front of the tb.

You don;t need to run the spread with a dual threat QB to use the read option in certain situations. Michigan State did it all the time with Cook, and they're doing it now with O'Conner, with great success. They ran a pro scheme very similar to what we're running now except they keep it multiple and try to mix in a little of everything. We pretty much just run the ball--power, jet sweeps, toss sweeps, and some shovel passes.

You can only get away with being one dimensional offensively anymore if you have better players than everyone else.

 

[fitzburgh]

Why's everyone down on MacVittie? Kid's a true freshman behind a 5th year senior, no chance he was beating Peterman out unless he was Cam Newton.

 

[gary2]

You don;t need to run the spread with a dual threat QB to use the read option in certain situations. Michigan State did it all the time with Cook, and they're doing it now with O'Conner, with great success. They ran a pro scheme very similar to what we're running now except they keep it multiple and try to mix in a little of everything. We pretty much just run the ball--power, jet sweeps, toss sweeps, and some shovel passes.

You can only get away with being one dimensional offensively anymore if you have better players than everyone else.

Ideally, what I am saying is we become the old PSU or USC. Narduzzi creates a dominate defense - Our offense for the most part eliminates turnovers.

Old PSU - Power running, draws, counters, screens, short passes to the outside, long passes when down and distance indicates run or when you are going for the jugular. PSU
did not throw down the field in obvious passing situations. They seldom threw over the middle or even deep outs. They had a dominate defense and let their opponents beat themselves. Pitt tried to do that on offense yesterday, I wished they would have tried and stuck with that approach defensively.

Read options translate into fumbles on the exchange and injuries at quarterback.. You start down the road of mobile quarterbacks, the next thing you know, no pro style quarterback will consider you.

I believe running the offenses I listed as examples serve us better.

 

[President Stache]

Why's everyone down on MacVittie? Kid's a true freshman behind a 5th year senior, no chance he was beating Peterman out unless he was Cam Newton.

I dont think anyone is down on MacVittie.

I think, on paper, looks like our QB next year for sure

 

[gary2]

I dont think anyone is down on MacVittie.

I think, on paper, looks like our QB next year for sure

Or Schneider - Might be another of those Chaney/Peterman situations.

 

[PITTLAW]

I dont think anyone is down on MacVittie.

I think, on paper, looks like our QB next year for sure

Is he even healthy now? He was wearing a major knee/leg brace on Saturday. No way anyone runs a 4.5 with that contraption strapped on. Hail to Pitt!

 

[quip]

I.can say this is the first time I can remember a narduzzi team getting run at so quick off the opening gun.

See the 2015 Cotton Bowl for a carbon copy of what you saw Saturday out of the Pitt D.

Narduzzi's emphasis on stuffing the run doesn't play out so well against teams that spread the field and throw the ball all over the place with a good QB and receivers, especially when he isn't getting pressure on the QB. Stopping the run is important against most opponents, but some teams, like a Baylor (under Briles) or OSU, don't care how they move the ball, run or pass. You stop the run on them, they'll throw it every play.

It might help if we had a couple of D1 cornerbacks!

 

[HailToPitt725]

People keep on saying how the QB situation is going to be worse next year, but I think people will be surprised with how well MacVittie will play.

 

[PITTDAD60]

Macvittie has a ton off speed,he ran a 4.5

We'll find out how good Macvittie is next year

 

[President Stache]

Really we should extent Canada

 

[thebadby2]

People keep on saying how the QB situation is going to be worse next year, but I think people will be surprised with how well MacVittie will play.

Some posters will evidently be even more surprised when Bo Schneider is announced as the game 1 starter in 2017.

I don't have a crystal ball but MacVittie will still only be a RS freshman. You don't see a lot of those starting at QB in the P5 world. It's possible, but my guess is Schneider, as an experienced QB, will have the inside track.

 

[President Stache]

Well, I have to think you are correct on that one. And like you said, no swipe at all on MacVittie, just odds stacked against a rsfr. However, if the staff likes the kid, and he picks up everything, is healthy, and ready to go... and does start. I think we have a real chance of having a bona fide good QB on our staff for years.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Just came back from the game. Was really impressed with our play although I.can say this is the first time I can remember a narduzzi team getting run at so quick off the opening gun. Maddox and lewis got beat all day.

Offense was very impressive yet again and kept thinking if we added a qb who would be dangerous with the read option that would be a deadly combo to defend against. But hats off to a basic run offense geting 500 yards per game.

A few series or two with a designed set of plays is what I have been calling for 20 years, but I leave it to others in know!

 

[sherepower]

You don;t need to run the spread with a dual threat QB to use the read option in certain situations. Michigan State did it all the time with Cook, and they're doing it now with O'Conner, with great success. They ran a pro scheme very similar to what we're running now except they keep it multiple and try to mix in a little of everything. We pretty much just run the ball--power, jet sweeps, toss sweeps, and some shovel passes.

You can only get away with being one dimensional offensively anymore if you have better players than everyone else.

Uh

Some posters will evidently be even more surprised when Bo Schneider is announced as the game 1 starter in 2017.

I don't have a crystal ball but MacVittie will still only be a RS freshman. You don't see a lot of those starting at QB in the P5 world. It's possible, but my guess is Schneider, as an experienced QB, will have the inside track.

The job is going to be McVittie. Hopefully.

Pitt fans had enough of game manager types of QB's here. Schneider fits that role to the tee. McVittie at least has some speed where he can escape the rush if need be.

I hope McVittie has some wiggle to him when he runs

 

[thebadby2]

Uh

The job is going to be McVittie. Hopefully.

Pitt fans had enough of game manager types of QB's here. Schneider fits that role to the tee. McVittie at least has some speed where he can escape the rush if need be.

I hope McVittie has some wiggle to him when he runs

Nobody on this board knows what kind of QB Schneider or MacVittie will be. As far as a "game manager" QB, I think there is some misunderstanding on the board as to what that means. A "game manager" is a QB that simply runs the offense as mistake free as possible and does not make many individual plays. That type of QB generally will not beat you with his arm or his legs, but he may go a long way toward beating you by protecting the football and executing his team's offense crisply. You do not have to be a dual threat, Manziel-type QB to evade the "game manager" characterization. It's more about being able to make throws and make plays when they are there to be made. There are plenty of pro-style, relatively immobile QBs who make a lot of plays with their arms and by being able to move their feet in the pocket. Think guys like Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, Roethlisberger, etc. Some examples of "game managers" would be a Brian Griese, Trent Dilfer, AJ McCarron, a Craig Krenzel when he was at OSU,or choose any Wisconsin QB not named Russell Wilson over the past 15 years or so. Teams with good players at all the other positions can win championships with those kinds of QBs. Peterman is a classic "game manager." We don't ask him to do much other than be mistake free, because he probably isn't capable of doing much beyond that. Unfortunately we don;t have a lot of playmakers at WR and we have have a lot of deficiencies on defense, so having a QB who can make some individual plays would help us a lot.

Whoever plays QB, it;'s about time we grow one organically, 5 years in the same system with the same playbook and OC. That will give us our best shot at finally having that difference maker at the most important position. MacVittie is our best hope for the future, but next year may be another backup/learning year for him. We will see.

 

[sherepower]

Nobody on this board knows what kind of QB Schneider or MacVittie will be. As far as a "game manager" QB, I think there is some misunderstanding on the board as to what that means. A "game manager" is a QB that simply runs the offense as mistake free as possible and does not make many individual plays. That type of QB generally will not beat you with his arm or his legs, but he may go a long way toward beating you by protecting the football and executing his team's offense crisply. You do not have to be a dual threat, Manziel-type QB to evade the "game manager" characterization. It's more about being able to make throws and make plays when they are there to be made. There are plenty of pro-style, relatively immobile QBs who make a lot of plays with their arms and by being able to move their feet in the pocket. Think guys like Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, Roethlisberger, etc. Some examples of "game managers" would be a Brian Griese, Trent Dilfer, AJ McCarron, a Craig Krenzel when he was at OSU,or choose any Wisconsin QB not named Russell Wilson over the past 15 years or so. Teams with good players at all the other positions can win championships with those kinds of QBs. Peterman is a classic "game manager." We don't ask him to do much other than be mistake free, because he probably isn't capable of doing much beyond that. Unfortunately we don;t have a lot of playmakers at WR and we have have a lot of deficiencies on defense, so having a QB who can make some individual plays would help us a lot.

Whoever plays QB, it;'s about time we grow one organically, 5 years in the same system with the same playbook and OC. That will give us our best shot at finally having that difference maker at the most important position. MacVittie is our best hope for the future, but next year may be another backup/learning year for him. We will see.

Game manager means in my opinion not to turn the ball over and do just enough to run the system the OC deems fit. Something Pitt fans have seen like forever.

I would love to see Pitt go to more of the athletic type. Something Pitt fans have not seen in like forever.

As far as Schneider is concerned. Yes, we have seen what type of QB he is.

He did play 4 or 5 games at Central Florida. He is your pure drop back QB. Who cannot create when protection breaks down. Whether its with his legs or extending the play in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Just my opinion.

What does Houston, Memphis, Louisville,
S Florida, Cincy , TCU all have in common?

Finding a dynamic player at the QB spot that put those programs on their back and elevated them. Those are just a few programs i named. Hardly blue blood type schools.
If they can find one over and over again. Pitt can too.

Unless your Alabama or USC and others who have tremendous talent around them. You can play with a game manager type QB.

 

[thebadby2]

Game manager means in my opinion not to turn the ball over and do just enough to run the system the OC deems fit. Something Pitt fans have seen like forever.

I would love to see Pitt go to more of the athletic type. Something Pitt fans have not seen in like forever.

As far as Schneider is concerned. Yes, we have seen what type of QB he is.

He did play 4 or 5 games at Central Florida. He is your pure drop back QB. Who cannot create when protection breaks down. Whether its with his legs or extending the play in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Just my opinion.

What does Houston, Memphis, Louisville,
S Florida, Cincy , TCU all have in common?

Finding a dynamic player at the QB spot that put those programs on their back and elevated them. Those are just a few programs i named. Hardly blue blood type schools.
If they can find one over and over again. Pitt can too.

Unless your Alabama or USC and others who have tremendous talent around them. You can play with a game manager type QB.

I think for the most part you're saying the same thing I am-with one major difference--Schneider played and started a few games as a true freshman at UCF--not enough evidence or sample size to conclude he's a game manager. I think he's certainly more of a dropback passer, but nobody can say he's simply a game manager based on his reps as a true freshman at UCF. Frankly, the fact that he started some games as a true freshman at a pretty good D1 program is impressive.

At the end of the day, I would also prefer to see a QB that can make plays with his legs as well as his arm, but as long as the QB can make plays, that;s good enough for me.

 

[President Stache]

Having aQB that can do both is of course the best option (no pun intended)

 

[#99HUGHgreen]

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Whoever plays QB, it;'s about time we grow one organically, 5 years in the same system with the same playbook and OC. That will give us our best shot at finally having that difference maker at the most important position. MacVittie is our best hope for the future, but next year may be another backup/learning year for him. We will see.

I am on the same page with you about many things you post, but the strategy of keeping your best hope for the future on the bench for 2 years and away from real playing time makes little sense to me.

Many of the best QBs who played for Pitt were thrown into the game almost immediately by their coaches:
Marino, Congemi, Palko

 

[sherepower]

I am on the same page with you about many things you post, but the strategy of keeping your best hope for the future on the bench for 2 years and away from real playing time makes little sense to me.

Many of the best QBs who played for Pitt were thrown into the game almost immediately by their coaches:
Marino, Congemi, Palko

I agree.

If we finally got a bigtime QB. We will hear good things as soon as his 1st college football camp is over. From coaches, players, media, fans. Now a days kids are far more advanced. Whether its all those national 7 on 7 tourny's. Personal trainers, QB coaches, or quality high school coaches.

That's why your seeing a lot more freshman QB's coming in and doing very well. Hopefully, one day we can get lucky and find one. That's when you know great things are coming our way