Well maybe I should clarify my post-I'm sure the coaches will go with the guy who's most ready to run the offense and is performing best in practice. Who that will be is TBD.
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Remember Palko only played a couple of snaps as a true freshman-then he redshirted his 2nd year and started his 3rd year as a RS sophomore. That's the same boat MacVittie would be in if he doesn't start next year.
I for one will be surprised if Schneider gets the nod, unless he looks way better in practice than he did at UCF.
You said about Schneider in another post, "Frankly, the fact that he started some games as a true freshman at a pretty good D1 program is impressive."
Look, I get that Schneider had experience playing college ball, but sometimes you put a guy in the game because you just don't have any other viable options. I am not saying that was the case with Schneider, but then he didn't really prove to be effective. His stats show he had 7 INTs and only 3 TDs. Trey Anderson had college game day experience for Pitt. If he were still on the team, should he get the nod over someone like MacVittie, just because he played before?
Again, I do agree that none of us have any idea how this will play out. My only point is only that when no one is clearly standing out in practice as the best option, it makes more sense to give players a chance on game day to prove they are that best option and quit worrying about players losing a year of eligibility because of it.
Unless of course you are talking about our RB situation you had brought up before. That's the opposite problem, where Pitt has too many capable guys. That's a type of situation where it makes quite a bit of sense to redshirt someone.
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True... except unlike Palko, who redshirted his sophomore year because he had a stud named Rutherford playing in front of him, MacVittie has a bunch of unproven QBs he's competing against. I don't see him being in quite the same boat. He actually has a good shot of being the starter next year. Plus, getting Palko's feet wet helped give him the confidence to know he could be the starter when Rod was done.
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I hope he is tremendous. God knows how long Pitt has been without a true difference maker at the most important position in football.
But, if MacVittie RS this year then he could be the backup and still get significant reps next year. However, if one of them comes out as the real starter, then the chances of the other ever passing them (unless the one picked as starter is horrid) is extremely low. If the competition isn't an in season one, whoever starts, Schneider or MacVittie, will be the starter for years, unless they are bad.
I think the upside is much higher with MacVittie, so I hope he proves to be the better QB by next year, but if not, I imagine that means Schneider can be a pretty decent QB and won't give up the job.
I generally agree with you, and Peterman isnt a second coming of Marino, so despite me thinking that would most likely really hurt our team short term, I might just think we should see what the kid can do.
I would add, if the coaches really feel he can handle it, and is good enough. Remember, MacVittie did not play much even in hs, so the odds he is not ready is higher than with other QBs that spend 4 years of HS playing.
Well, I sure hope the starter (whoever it is) is better than "pretty decent" in order for the coaches to ordain him the starter for the entire year. We need a truly dynamic QB (ideal who can both throw and run with the ball well), not just a game manager. The only reason MacVittie should play a backup role next year (if he truly is the heir apparent), is if the starter ahead of him is looking like an NFL caliber player. Period.
I am guessing he means and rightfully so, that 'pretty decent' is actually very good for Pitt football in comparison with many many years of sub-par QB play.
Ive said it plenty of times, but QB derailed Wanny. I can care less if you like or disliked Wannstedt, but the teams preformed well WITHOUT a decent QB. This year is a train wreck for our passing game. We have no WR that can consistently get open and strike fear into defenses. They single cover our guys and focus on stopping the run. The fact that our offense is still doing so well is a tip of the hat to Canada and to bad defenses we played.
NC has a porous run defense, but good shutdown corners. I FULLY EXPECT then to sell out on the run and keep their corners in single coverage. Hope we shuttle in a bunch of WR and have them running sprints each play down the sideline tiring out those corners. Then in the second half when they are tired of covering that on run plays, they throw an option pass long.
That is rarely how it works though. If a QB is playing ok and the team is winning, they are rarely replaced.
Pretty much exactly what OSU did last week, except they threw the ball down the field 50 yards every other play. Make the secondary run every single play, weather that means fighting against a block on a running play, or taking off on deep shots down the field.
Yes. True. Unfortunately at Pitt it was often even when they weren't winning.
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Good thread and much info spot on, but i will add one more thing, I think OC Canada sees he can make Ohio's Mac into a "Big Mac Attack" and I think we will see more play by Mac before the year plays out.
The reason why I say this is because MAC did not play QB in high School until later and just keeps developing his QB Play under being tutored by one of the best OC's in the game, and taught by Coach Pat what to expect on Best Defenses plans to confuse QBS.......sometimes there is a sleeper that is developed into a Top 5 Star Recruit but not seen until later?
I think The Pitt BIG MAC ATTACK is one?
Just a Hunch!
The reason why I say this is because MAC did not play QB in high School until later and just keeps developing his QB Play under being tutored by one of the best OC's in the game, and taught by Coach Pat what to expect on Best Defenses plans to confuse QBS.......sometimes there is a sleeper that is developed into a Top 5 Star Recruit but not seen until later?
I think The Pitt BIG MAC ATTACK is one?
Just a Hunch!
Wannstedt did a better job overall of recruiting talented players than any coach since Sherrill. I don't think anyone can argue with that point. Unfortunately he struggled with his QBs. Whether it was poor recruiting at that position or possibly poor coaching of that position that lead to poor QB play on game day is debatable (at least with some of the recruits). But the blame falls on him, like it should for any coach in the same situation. I'm doing my best to keep my opinion about his game day coaching ability out of my comments.
As for the upcoming game with NC, I agree with you in that I expect them to sell out to stop the run. I am interested to see if the jet sweep remains very effective and if Pitt will have something new up their sleeve with the passing game. Orndoff is a beast that is running routes which do not seem to give him the advantage. Would like to see him hit while running more vertically and take advantage of those long arms.
Unless DiNucci, Stocker, or whoever is just so impressive next camp it looks like they're gonna be the guy that leads us to a great season.... no reason at all to keep MacVittie on the bench next season. Whether it's him or whoever else, when they find their guy he needs to play early and learn the system. I agree with those above posts, 4 years of the same offense really will help a QB.
I think at least in college, the days are gone where sitting on the bench actually benefits you in the long run. Nothing really substitutes for game experience.
I think at least in college, the days are gone where sitting on the bench actually benefits you in the long run. Nothing really substitutes for game experience.
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