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"mbe 34, post: 942673, member: 1738"]Hi Cap - I consider the Ped Scandal pretty much over.
Quite agree, and spot on, but that is just you and me knowing and agreeing. However, there are many at Penn State that do not, and will not let it go? This includes Paterno Family, PS4RS, some Trustees, Alumni, Former Penn State Players, and some BWI Posters.
Once the victims were all paid off there was no one advocating anything.
I have to respectfully disagree, the current Penn State Administration is mired under a Water Fall of continued discontent as well as Lawsuits of their own against Insurance Companies, Trustees, Alumni and ancillary problems from a divided contributors, higher ups, and fan base.
The bottom line lesson is "Football First and Only - especially when it makes a lot of money" - the beat goes on at Ped State.
Agree again, but to Penn State University credit, the NCAA Monitor made sure the University have changed that "Culture" on at least making sure "No Coach" in any Penn State Sport will have that kind of control over the University again. In an ironic way, Paterno created that "Culture" but his own participation of the Shaming of Penn State Name Legacy also made sure no other coach will benefit from such Lack of Institutional Control.
The 3 stooges will walk - no one has the stomach to prosecute them. The Pa AGO is in shambles as is the Pa court system - awash in scandals.
I don't know about walking but the Penn State Football Scandal did expose many problems with the Institutions that also required Reforms and that is still part of the problems why I disagreed with you above and will augment later in the week. As stated many times, many want all this to go away, but that going to take more time.
One has to wonder what happened on to the Cleary Report - I've seen more than one article about campus sex assaults being unreported at a variety of campuses - yet the Clery Law is largely ignored.
Pitt-Girl that knows about Clery is asking the same questions, but no Reporter is to date? It is my opinion, to be fair, Pennsylvania Lawmakers are more interested in making sure the Fines that are parts of the Clery Act do not impact too strongly that will hurt Funding needed to support PSU Students Financial needs. I think they should be worried and concern about that aspect. This would hurt not just the University but families and students too. Just my opinion, others can differ! One thing I always mentioned, there are many Loopholes in the Clery Act, and that is fair game for Penn State to respond to a 1200 Page Education Department Investigation Report along with a Department of Justice Title IX ongoing Invetsigations?
Question for you - when this whole thing started several on this board predicted costs of 100s of millions - Have you seen any comprehensive accounting of the costs?
No, and there can't be right now and there is a good reason. There are still big Legal Disputes and Lawsuits among Penn State University with its Insurance Companies, Trustees, Paternos, Alumni, Clery Act/Title IX Fines and ongoing Investigations, and Penn State may open further legal Lawsuits towards The Second Mile Insurance Carriers!
Additionally, it also dependent on how one will add those Ancillary Costs like the difference between Paterno's & Staffers salaries versus O'Brien & Franklin's Staff and salaries? Lost of Attendance, Contributions, and Salaries of New President and A.D. & Staffers? Lost of Big Ten Bowl Money, NCAA Sanctions, and additional costs on New Director of Ethics & Compliance & Staffers, AIA Officers & Staffers, Costs for Employees Training, Computer Background Check On Contributors, Lawyers, NCAA Monitors, etc etc......$$$$$, as well as Fines and for a while Free Admission Applications.
Has to be close to $500 million.
It is will be bigger, but what is unknown is how and who will help pay for it as Legal Disputes are resolved, settled, and ordered? It is already been 4 years and going to take more years, and the changes mentioned above alone is permanent.
Just where does Ped State keep coming up with the money?
I know some Pitt Fans get upset with me at times, but the truth is the truth. The Penn State Football Program is a powerful money making Program and the University is also a powerful 80,000 entity of over 2 Million Alumni and that is to be admired, respected, and recognized as important to all of Pennsylvania and America as well. This has set the Football Program back but it is on the come back too, and that is what I will augment later in the week.
I would like to add one more thing, I never used the Word..."Bombshell" at anytime, that was NCLee Poster's words not mind, and I respect NCLee Posts very much. The Info I am waiting for an additional update can be analyzed on many aspects already discussed months ago in public, and recent development will impact further on it, and will be of interests to many fine Penn State, Pitt and CFB Fans.
Quite agree, and spot on, but that is just you and me knowing and agreeing. However, there are many at Penn State that do not, and will not let it go? This includes Paterno Family, PS4RS, some Trustees, Alumni, Former Penn State Players, and some BWI Posters.
Once the victims were all paid off there was no one advocating anything.
I have to respectfully disagree, the current Penn State Administration is mired under a Water Fall of continued discontent as well as Lawsuits of their own against Insurance Companies, Trustees, Alumni and ancillary problems from a divided contributors, higher ups, and fan base.
The bottom line lesson is "Football First and Only - especially when it makes a lot of money" - the beat goes on at Ped State.
Agree again, but to Penn State University credit, the NCAA Monitor made sure the University have changed that "Culture" on at least making sure "No Coach" in any Penn State Sport will have that kind of control over the University again. In an ironic way, Paterno created that "Culture" but his own participation of the Shaming of Penn State Name Legacy also made sure no other coach will benefit from such Lack of Institutional Control.
The 3 stooges will walk - no one has the stomach to prosecute them. The Pa AGO is in shambles as is the Pa court system - awash in scandals.
I don't know about walking but the Penn State Football Scandal did expose many problems with the Institutions that also required Reforms and that is still part of the problems why I disagreed with you above and will augment later in the week. As stated many times, many want all this to go away, but that going to take more time.
One has to wonder what happened on to the Cleary Report - I've seen more than one article about campus sex assaults being unreported at a variety of campuses - yet the Clery Law is largely ignored.
Pitt-Girl that knows about Clery is asking the same questions, but no Reporter is to date? It is my opinion, to be fair, Pennsylvania Lawmakers are more interested in making sure the Fines that are parts of the Clery Act do not impact too strongly that will hurt Funding needed to support PSU Students Financial needs. I think they should be worried and concern about that aspect. This would hurt not just the University but families and students too. Just my opinion, others can differ! One thing I always mentioned, there are many Loopholes in the Clery Act, and that is fair game for Penn State to respond to a 1200 Page Education Department Investigation Report along with a Department of Justice Title IX ongoing Invetsigations?
Question for you - when this whole thing started several on this board predicted costs of 100s of millions - Have you seen any comprehensive accounting of the costs?
No, and there can't be right now and there is a good reason. There are still big Legal Disputes and Lawsuits among Penn State University with its Insurance Companies, Trustees, Paternos, Alumni, Clery Act/Title IX Fines and ongoing Investigations, and Penn State may open further legal Lawsuits towards The Second Mile Insurance Carriers!
Additionally, it also dependent on how one will add those Ancillary Costs like the difference between Paterno's & Staffers salaries versus O'Brien & Franklin's Staff and salaries? Lost of Attendance, Contributions, and Salaries of New President and A.D. & Staffers? Lost of Big Ten Bowl Money, NCAA Sanctions, and additional costs on New Director of Ethics & Compliance & Staffers, AIA Officers & Staffers, Costs for Employees Training, Computer Background Check On Contributors, Lawyers, NCAA Monitors, etc etc......$$$$$, as well as Fines and for a while Free Admission Applications.
Has to be close to $500 million.
It is will be bigger, but what is unknown is how and who will help pay for it as Legal Disputes are resolved, settled, and ordered? It is already been 4 years and going to take more years, and the changes mentioned above alone is permanent.
Just where does Ped State keep coming up with the money?
I know some Pitt Fans get upset with me at times, but the truth is the truth. The Penn State Football Program is a powerful money making Program and the University is also a powerful 80,000 entity of over 2 Million Alumni and that is to be admired, respected, and recognized as important to all of Pennsylvania and America as well. This has set the Football Program back but it is on the come back too, and that is what I will augment later in the week.
I would like to add one more thing, I never used the Word..."Bombshell" at anytime, that was NCLee Poster's words not mind, and I respect NCLee Posts very much. The Info I am waiting for an additional update can be analyzed on many aspects already discussed months ago in public, and recent development will impact further on it, and will be of interests to many fine Penn State, Pitt and CFB Fans.
Yes, it very much describes you, and why you are having trouble postings content on College Football??? ??? ??? ??? (I am complimenting how you used ? marks by imitating and saluting you too!)
If my opinion that Pitt Posters Fans can be proud of its Pitt Football Players History 5, 15, 40, or 100 years ago over your Alma Mater Alabama, you need to get over it.
Additionally, If I made an error in assuming since most Posters all got the gist of what I was saying, except you. Then just chill out and ignore the content you cannot respond to, and make yourself happy, knowing Bama just added another Great Player to the NFL Hall of Fame. They are just one behind Pitt now?
Or admit you were wrong in the first the place, or agree to disagree, or as requested several times before, just ignore the my posts.
But arguing over Commas now on just football posts is a bigger question mark about you then the many you used in the prior Postings??? ??? ??? ??? (Again, I Am Now Going To Ordain That The Jpripper88 Contribution To the Lair!)
I disagree. I think Joe was just doing what he always did in handling this. Pushed it down the line. He coached football. Didn't care about this stuff and I doubt he believed it.
But the other three kept the problem under wraps long enough to let what could have been a full on disaster from escalating. E-mail was deleted and people's memory fades. The BOT masterfully handled things once everything came to light. PSU emerged from the scandal with a little dirt on it's face but none the worse for the wear. Fan base hasn't eroded and PSU is no worse a program than it was ten years ago.
Honestly, the sooner this thing is off of the front page, the sooner the rest of the world could care less.
I think you may be having a stroke. This seriously has to be the result of a stroke or worse.Yes, it very much describes you, and why you are having trouble postings content on College Football??? ??? ??? ??? (I am complimenting how you used ? marks by imitating and saluting you too!)
If my opinion that Pitt Posters Fans can be proud of its Pitt Football Players History 5, 15, 40, or 100 years ago over your Alma Mater Alabama, you need to get over it.
Additionally, If I made an error in assuming since most Posters all got the gist of what I was saying, except you. Then just chill out and ignore the content you cannot respond to, and make yourself happy, knowing Bama just added another Great Player to the NFL Hall of Fame. They are just one behind Pitt now?
Or admit you were wrong in the first the place, or agree to disagree, or as requested several times before, just ignore the my posts.
But arguing over Commas now on just football posts is a bigger question mark about you then the many you used in the prior Postings??? ??? ??? ??? (Again, I Am Now Going To Ordain That The Jpripper88 Contribution To the Lair!)
Please use your nurse call button and step away from the "Post Reply" button.
I have the nutjob on ignore so I can't...won't look at any of his gibberish.
I can only imagine his posts though...but you're hilarious jpripper88 - made me actually lol w/ this one.
"pittdan77, post: 945288, member: 3668"]I disagree. I think Joe was just doing what he always did in handling this. Pushed it down the line. He coached football. Didn't care about this stuff and I doubt he believed it.
I agree but disagree just a tad, Joe did ask Curley to follow the 1998 Investigation of Sandusky and keep him informed. When it was Dismissed by DA Gricar it is normal for anyone not just Joe to think it is over. Yet, all of sudden Sandusky retires a year later at the Age of 55 and Articles were written why did that happen? To be fair, Joe also did complain at times about Sandusky having Kids around the Program and wanted the focus on Football. Joe & Sue also did go on Vacations by The Second Mile. This is why I urge many to understand, like you said Joe cared about Football but some these events and actions by Sandusky caused confusion as well. Just my opinion. At the same time, once Sandusky did retire Spanier gave him Access, Emeritus Status, and that too was normal since The Second Mile was consider important to Penn State image, values, and helping children so they thought at that time?
But the other three kept the problem under wraps long enough to let what could have been a full on disaster from escalating. E-mail was deleted and people's memory fades.
Yep, Agree, and will add the E-Mail System changed and many thought the old ones were gone too. The PAOAG also destroyed many OAG Notes, Reports, and Emails before Kane took over too, claiming it saved money?
The BOT masterfully handled things once everything came to light. PSU emerged from the scandal with a little dirt on it's face but none the worse for the wear.
Very fair and astute comment, but Trustees have some critics among them too.
Fan base hasn't eroded and PSU is no worse a program than it was ten years ago.
Agree, and that is a tribute to being a strong Program and just like USC survived the sanctions without a losing season. But there is still a great divide on some next moves and that is what I will post later in the week.
Honestly, the sooner this thing is off of the front page, the sooner the rest of the world could care less
Penn State University especially and the sooner the better, but like I said, still has some things to clean up and until it is fully gone, it is still must be dealt with within the University and that will impact on FB too.
Good post!
I agree but disagree just a tad, Joe did ask Curley to follow the 1998 Investigation of Sandusky and keep him informed. When it was Dismissed by DA Gricar it is normal for anyone not just Joe to think it is over. Yet, all of sudden Sandusky retires a year later at the Age of 55 and Articles were written why did that happen? To be fair, Joe also did complain at times about Sandusky having Kids around the Program and wanted the focus on Football. Joe & Sue also did go on Vacations by The Second Mile. This is why I urge many to understand, like you said Joe cared about Football but some these events and actions by Sandusky caused confusion as well. Just my opinion. At the same time, once Sandusky did retire Spanier gave him Access, Emeritus Status, and that too was normal since The Second Mile was consider important to Penn State image, values, and helping children so they thought at that time?
But the other three kept the problem under wraps long enough to let what could have been a full on disaster from escalating. E-mail was deleted and people's memory fades.
Yep, Agree, and will add the E-Mail System changed and many thought the old ones were gone too. The PAOAG also destroyed many OAG Notes, Reports, and Emails before Kane took over too, claiming it saved money?
The BOT masterfully handled things once everything came to light. PSU emerged from the scandal with a little dirt on it's face but none the worse for the wear.
Very fair and astute comment, but Trustees have some critics among them too.
Fan base hasn't eroded and PSU is no worse a program than it was ten years ago.
Agree, and that is a tribute to being a strong Program and just like USC survived the sanctions without a losing season. But there is still a great divide on some next moves and that is what I will post later in the week.
Honestly, the sooner this thing is off of the front page, the sooner the rest of the world could care less
Penn State University especially and the sooner the better, but like I said, still has some things to clean up and until it is fully gone, it is still must be dealt with within the University and that will impact on FB too.
Good post!
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"NC Panther, post: 945788, member: 1114"]I have the nutjob on ignore so I can't...won't look at any of his gibberish.
Well, Thank you for concurring with me on explaining to Jpripper88 on how to use the Ignore Button....but then again, I guess you don't have it on ignore but that on your nuts?
I can only imagine his posts though...but you're hilarious jpripper88 - made me actually lol w/ this one.
Agree, you are easy to laugh at, but I am glad you can ignore anyway!
Well, Thank you for concurring with me on explaining to Jpripper88 on how to use the Ignore Button....but then again, I guess you don't have it on ignore but that on your nuts?
I can only imagine his posts though...but you're hilarious jpripper88 - made me actually lol w/ this one.
Agree, you are easy to laugh at, but I am glad you can ignore anyway!
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