You are starting to see what Capel values in a C.
Cliff Omoruyi 2020 C
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Kid dunks & blocks everything in sight. Raw athlete with tons of upside & 7’6” wing span. If somehow JC were able to get him to be a 2019 that would be great. Because after this summer I think the big boys will finally start offering him.
Kid is very athletic and has huge upside. But my god, he is really unpolished, almost comically so. He is going to need a ton of developmental time. Would love to get him, because I think our coaches could turn him into a player. But no way would he be ready to play right away.
He already finishes better than anyone on the roster- which means as a Jr in high school he's probably starting right now at Pitt.
Well he is a junior in high school. In fact for a big guy he is damn impressive at that age.
I’m sure most of the young men on Pitts bb team are good guys , unfortunately most of them are not talented enough to play in the ACC. Some people on this board are more subtle than others !
Omoruyi is on his 2nd unofficial to UConn this weekend. We might need to pick up the pace on this kid
Hopefully Pitt can get him on campus sooner than later.
Would be nice to have another strong recruit presence next week vs. ND.
He already has over 25 offers from most of the big dogs including KY ...so a little late for that
Remember--the 5 man as a primary piece of the scoring offense is a thing of the past. The bulk of the scoring comes from the backcourt and wings, the 4 has evolved into a stretch position, and the 5 man primarily needs to be able to rebound and protect the rim. The new generation of post men are short on skills but long on athleticism, bounce, wingspan, energy and agility. Thus this whole generational college basketball trend of African born big men with funny names, limited basketball skills and incredible length and bounce.
We already have raw bigs, I think raw, ATHLETIC bigs that can actually impact the opponent on the glass and defensively would be a major improvement over what we have now. Pitino at Louisville was ahead of the curve on this. He always had a bunch of those 6'10 pogo sticks with huge wingspans in the frontcourt who could hardly dribble, but who contested every shot in the paint, choked off the opposing bigs, and wiped the glass clean.
"We already have raw bigs, . . ." We (meaning Pitt) does? Huh?
We don't have any such players on the roster at this time and we need a couple of them!
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Pretty much spot on. Also why a Ibrahima Diallo wouldn't have been redshirted at Pitt.
Nice player, but with UK and others likely to get involved, I wouldn’t spend too much time on this one.
That's just it. Capel can recruit this type of player if given time. We've seen relationships win out over programs and a program's need. Young players build trust these days as they are separated from their families and support groups at a young age to play ball far away. Comes down to relationships or the dreaded "handlers" to reel in great prospects. Capel is just now entering a period when he will have started to build relationships with kids and their parents.
Relationships are huge, you’re absolutely correct and seeing that with what Penny is doing down at Memphis, but generally when the blue bloods get involved things get murky.
I’m a pessimist by nature and have been following recruiting way too long to know how these usually go, but I am ready to be pleasantly surprised. Capel has to start winning some of these battles with the big boys. This would be a good place to start
I consider both T. Brown and Kene to be raw big men from a skills (or lack thereof) standpoint, and not athletic enough to play ACC basketball. If they were exceptional athletes, they could really help this team. But they’re D2 athletes at best.
Dear Heather Lyke, Patrick Gallegher and the rest of the leadership council. You are seeing the results of college basketball recruiting when you are trying to follow the rules. There is no need to even entertain these types of kids if you aren't willing to go under the table. Deal with reality.
Talk about hyperbole!
Chukwuku and Brown are definitely D-1 athletes. To say anything else is silly. Are they starting-caliber ACC players? Kene, no, clearly but Brown is awfully close. Not much separates Brown from Cuse's starting center, or several others statistically.
We want better bigs, but those two are far from D-2 level. There are 351 teams in D-1. Brown would start or be in the rotation for about 300 of them. Chukwuku would contribute to probably 250 of them.
We need to improve at that position but let's not be ridiculous.
Owtie, I 'd suggest it is you who needs to deal with reality. I'm not singling you out personally. There are plenty of posters on here more rabid in calling for cheating than you. But, you consistently return to the topic that we have to break the rules to level the playing field.
But, we've had polls in various Pitt forums. Even in these gatherings of these most pro-Pitt athletics fans, the vote has always been AGAINST cheating. The last one on the Lair was 2:1 against.
Pitt has consistently declined to hire those known or rumored to break the rules. Capel made a major point of hiring only assistants who he knew very well and explicitly trusted.
This isn't a place where there is intense pressure to win at any cost. That's not who we are. I realize that we may never again win a national title in a major sport.
I'm OK with that. The 1976 national title was nice, but it didn't change my life , or the lives of virtually any Panther fans.
That's reality here.
We can be a good team playing by the rules. The process of becoming good will be slower and there may well be a ceiling. It is what it is.
To me and to many others, being good, and doing it inside the rules is sweeter than being better but cheating to get there.
Harve, I heard Ed Bouchette today and he was completely non plussed over the Steelers moving up to take Devin Bush. He actually said "you know, Chuck Noll would never have done this".
Curmudgeons refuse to change. Most people polled also didn't vote for Donald Trump, yet he's the President. It's funny how people just constantly look back at Dorsett, Green, May, Covert, Fralic, Marino, Jackson, et al....Charles Smith and Jerome Lane, yet people are against "cheating", I look at it like "I am against abortion". Of course, nobody is FOR abortion. But when it comes down to life realities, people react completely different than when it becomes real.
Sorry, you are wrong. Way wrong.
There’s a place in the world for people who always play by the rules . There’s even some games like golf were a competitor even calls penalties on themselves that no one else even saw . Unfortunately D1 college bb and Fb aren’t in that world . Even the way those games are played were players and coaches constantly try to deceive the refs or officials and cry and scream when they’re caught .
Pitt can be straight and draw 35-40k in Fb and 7-8k in bb or they can be creative within reason and sell many more seats and pocket some serious change ...tough choice for them , but not for a lot of other schools .
Pitt can be straight and draw 35-40k in Fb and 7-8k in bb or they can be creative within reason and sell many more seats and pocket some serious change ...tough choice for them , but not for a lot of other schools .
Except it's proven we won't continue to draw even 35-40k in football or even half the Pete in basketball by playing "by the rules" (and are they really rules when the 'governing body' of the sport doesn't govern by them?). This isn't like baseball, where Bob Nutting gets richer by tanking on purpose.
It used to be Pitt was merely forsaking bigger profit and political power in the city by refusing to win (and that's what it is). But football crowds are plummeting, some of the worst i experienced, week in and out, last year. Even during a surprising winning streak.
I called the ticket office last month and easily got a seating and parking upgrade this year to specific desired seats and lot that they regularly did not have available before. Yes, I know, no PSU or ND this year plays a part, but that itself is an indictment... on its own merits, nobody wants the product.
And hoops ... crowds were bad last year, yet still probably better than expected because of a new coach. He gave some hope with X and Trey. But it seems clear he's striking out like JD did now, can't even attract a low grade big man transfer since we wont get dirty... which will ensure another horrid conference record. And savvy fans know this, and those even middling crowds of last will be worse. Fans don't just come out blindly to cheer for Dear Old Pittsburgh. It ain't this or cow tipping here. There are actually attractive entertainment alternatives here.
I know the admin only cares about the Bike Lane sports, and the conference money allows for those, but how long can it continue with forlorn empty stadium and arena in the real sports? Because that's what it's descending to.
Or if you aren't even going to pretend to compete, at least try to be at the forefront of reform of some kind? Lead all the other have not / will nots against the cheating factory schools, if not willing to join em. But, sh*t, we wouldn't even stand up and decline to play Penn State, for freaking raping children. We gleefully added games to play into their PR, and still beg em to play now that they came back (since the NCAA gleefully caved) and they went back to their old ahole ways.
So, if we're not doing what it's proven to be needed to win (and losing money because of it) but not willing to fight the evil, either, just what the hell IS the purpose of having these sports? Just get the hell out of the dirty business.
You may be jumping to premature conclusions regarding the current basketball situation.
The Pete was sold out playing it clean when we had great coaches getting time to build
Shush
This is how I feel about Pitt and cheating.
If 25% are cheating, I don't want Pitt cheating.
If 50% are cheating , I don't want Pitt cheating.
If 75% are cheatIng, I don't want Pitt cheating, but I think Pitt has to.
Pragmatic and realistic.
I'm not saying Pitt NEVER cheated. I was on campus during much of the Majors and Sherrill eras. I knew a lot of those guys and had a pretty good idea "where the bodies were buried."
Likewise during the Chipman and Evans eras in hoops. Throw in the Gottfried and Williard eras. Things were pretty shady then too. We had a couple issues with the rules in both sports and ended up throwing ourselves on the mercy of the court so to speak. We got a mild probation and things have been very different in the Athletic department since.
Williard has been gone for 20 years. Evans for 25. Dixon went to more NCAA Tournament games than both of them and was considered one of the cleanest programs. There's no reason Capel can't do a similar job.
There is less support among our fans for rule-breaking than many posters think.
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