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** For maximum enjoyment of the 2018-2019 Pitt Basketball season, allow me to make the following suggestion for Pitt Fans. Let’s look at this campaign not as a single season, but the first half of a two-year season. That is, a two year season that just might get Pitt Panther Basketball back on the map. A team that once again contends to get into the NCAA tournament.

** Personally, the inability for me to see last year’s campaign in the same two-year framework is what made it so difficult to watch. In short, I just didn’t believe then in the talent of our youth, nor did I believe in the previous staff’s ability to secure more parts to supplement the shortcomings.

** But this year I feel much differently, and I believe our freshman trio is the start needed to make this two year season work.

** Such an outlook makes it much easier to enjoy today’s contest for what was right instead of what was wrong.

** Such an outlook allows this fan to see a 14 point win against a decent enough Patriot League team as a decent win, instead of being dismayed that that our Panthers surrendered a hard-to-believe 25 offensive rebounds against that same foe.

** Additionally, this outlook allows me to truly appreciate a Panther record setting 9 blocks by Terrell Brown. In so many ways, this was a very good, and even promising, outing for Terrell. His shotblocking often showed the special patience needed to be an elite shockblockler.

** Offensively, Terrell also showed the various skills that makes one think he could have a brighter future as a Panther in the next year or so. His jump hook has always looked wonderful off of his hand, and it looks even better when it goes in like it did today.

** To the downside however, is that there are still questions with Terrell’s motor, and those were on display today as well. A good handful of the offensive rebounds Colgate snagged today can be directly attributed a straight out failure of Terrell to box out his man.

** And I’ll point out a fast break midway through the second half when Terrell was actually well out ahead of Xavier when X got the ball. Terrell had the chance to beat his man down the court for a chance at a finish, but he never really broke beyond a jog as Xavier flew by him.

** But blaming Terrell for surrendering 25 offensive rebounds is nowhere close to fair, as this was totally a team stat. Sure, plenty of the 25 were the long and bouncy variety. But a team without size needs to gang rebound, and our gang was rarely more than one.

** Some have suggested that my comments are a bit too hard on Terrell and perhaps that’s legit feedback. But for the two year plan to become what we’d like it to be, Terrell making the most of his length, athleticism and skills would seem to be a big part of it.

** So considering that we surrendered 25 offensive boards, it’s pretty safe to assume that the Panther’s were otherwise playing some excellent defense.

** It wasn’t the case today that the Raiders were getting open looks and just weren’t knocking them down. For most of 40 minutes, the Panthers made their life on the perimeter pretty darn difficult.

** Much of that hardship can be best attributed to Trey McGowens. While, I may have been a bit too hard on Terrell for the course of this out of OOC season, I also may have also been a bit too generous on Trey.

** But of all of our freshman, including the wonderful Xavier, I think Trey still may have the largest upside, and I feel this is starting to show itself. In his last 7 games, Trey is averaging 14.4 PPG, including hitting 9-21 threes during the same stretch. He’s also got 18 steals in his last 5 games.

** Perhaps you might be one who isn’t looking at the 2 year plan, and you are still holding out hope for what can happen this year. If so, you might be excited that Au’Diese also looks to be settling in with 34 point in his last 2 games. This includes 4-9 shooting from three after starting the season 5-26.

** While I’m encouraged with the foundation of the two year plan, allow me to resurrect the thread of this week from @gary2 asking what we have really learned from this OOC season.

** After all, we have played a very weak schedule against which a 10-3 record should not necessarily be considered an accomplishment.

** The record included two close tough losses against teams who could both be in the NCAA tournament, a good win against a team who could win the A-10, and a really bad loss against a team that won’t contend for anything.

** In between all of that, we soundly defeated the rest of the teams we played, which shouldn’t be insignificant considering that we struggled mightily with many of the same type teams in the OOC last year.

** To the contrary, last year we also never lost to a team as bad as Niagara.

** So now we begin the second quarter of this two year season. To continue my two-year season scenario, my hope is that we can scare up at least 4 more wins in the next 18 games.

** I’d feel a little better about this hope if we weren’t facing an ACC schedule where a win in our first 8 league games might be hard to come by. And if we start 0-8, can we somehow gain enough resolve to win 4 or even 5 of our final 10?

** Maybe Pitt’s biggest win in the next few weeks in my two year plan will come off the court. After all, for the two year plan to really be reality, we simply need to add more talent to our frontcourt, even if Terrell starts to put it altogether sometime soon.

** I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t getting nervous that these pieces have not yet been added. But I still have plenty of faith that a Head Coach who got Xaiver, Au’Diese, Trey and Sidy in his first five weeks or so to snag next year’s needed players in the next five months.

** Happy New Year to all of my Fellow Panther Hoops Fans!
 
I definitely understand being frustrated by Brown. I mentioned on the premium board that I think he will probably be somebody who frustrates us the whole time he's here. BUT, I'll give him this (and I know you like KenPom, so I don't think this is irrational shilling for him):

- Last year he was 34th in the country in blocked shots rate.

- This year, once he qualifies for minutes, he's on pace to be top 10 in blocked shots rate. Even if we want to say that will drop in Conference play (it may!), if he stays around the top 50 or so, that's impactful.

- This year, his rebounding rates have been 19.8% DR% and 10.8% OR%. Those are both best on the team. For comparison:

* Au'Diese Toney has 17.1% and 8.2% rebounding rates, respectively. His offensive rebounding rate of 8.2% is 412th best nationally.
* Kene Chukwuka has 14.8% and 10.2% rebounding rates, respectively. His offensive rebounding rate of 10.2% is 224th nationally.

So, as much as Terrell probably under performs his tools at this point, he's still relatively productive despite that. I want more out of him, too, but he brings some things that Pitt needs (and in the case of his shot blocking he brings something they've really lacked outside of Adams).

I also definitely agree with you on Trey's upside. He's a reliable jump shot away from being All-Conference and if he can learn to play PG then he's probably a better NBA prospect than Xavier.
 
I feel your comments about Terrell are very accurate. Congrats are due to him
because of the record setting blocks. There's no doubt he has improved under
Capel.... we are now going to see just how far come next week with the start
of ACC games. He will face Bigs of an entirely different level.
The 25 offensive rebounds you mentioned were not a factor in this game
because Colgate rarely was able to convert them into put backs. We give
up anything like that stat against ACC teams and those will be converted into
either fg's. ft's or both.

Another important factor in today's game is Capel's continuing influence
on our offense. No longer are our guards and wings forcing drives to the
rim and committing turnovers and offensive charges. The three frosh
have really improved in this area, as has Ellison. BTW, I mentioned this a
few games ago. Ellison especially has changed.....he takes what's there
and looks to dish off. I'm certain Capel has told him not to shoot any
outside jumpers. This makes me wonder why Chuka still has a green light
on threes?
I thought Colgate would be somewhat of a challenge...at times they were,
and at times not. They hammered us on the boards, but had no answer
for our guards and wings. Our defensive pressure was more than they
could handle. We totally kept them out of their offensive sets. Once again
our three freshmen were the most talented on the floor.
 
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Pomeroy has the Pitt-Louisville game (Jan 9) as about 50/50. It sure would be nice to overperform in that one and get the monkey off our backs.

Right ... of the first 8, that's the best chance at a win, and beyond the numbers, I have no good idea what to think of L-ville this year.
 
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I feel your comments about Terrell are very accurate. Congrats are due to him
because of the record setting blocks. There's no doubt he has improved under
Capel.... we are now going to see just how far come next week with the start
of ACC games. He will face Bigs of an entirely different level.
The 25 offensive rebounds you mentioned were not a factor in this game
because Colgate rarely was able to convert them into put backs. We give
up anything like that stat against ACC teams and those will be converted into
either fg's. ft's or both.

Another important factor in today's game is Capel's continuing influence
on our offense. No longer are our guards and wings forcing drives to the
rim and committing turnovers and offensive charges. The three frosh
have really improved in this area, as has Ellison. BTW, I mentioned this a
few games ago. Ellison especially has changed.....he takes what's there
and looks to dish off. I'm certain Capel has told him not to shoot any
outside jumpers. This makes me wonder why Chuka still has a green light
on threes?
I thought Colgate would be somewhat of a challenge...at times they were,
and at times not. They hammered us on the boards, but had no answer
for our guards and wings. Our defensive pressure was more than they
could handle. We totally kept them out of their offensive sets. Once again
our three freshmen were the most talented on the floor.
'

I can't even say Colgate was ever even a challenge at all.

Actually, it could be said that we played our best half of the year in the first half. Perhaps the second half was human nature as Capel suggested,
 
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I can't even say Colgate was ever even a challenge at all.

Actually, it could be said that we played our best half of the year in the first half. Perhaps the second half was human nature as Capel suggested,
One thing that stood out to me today was how Pitt is anticipating so much better with their help on defense. Guys were stopping penetration and did so with disciplined spacing.
 
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** To the contrary, last year we also never lost to a team as bad as Niagara.

They might not have been quite as bad as Niagara, but Navy was at least close to that bad.



** I’d feel a little better about this hope if we weren’t facing an ACC schedule where a win in our first 8 league games might be hard to come by. And if we start 0-8, can we somehow gain enough resolve to win 4 or even 5 of our final 10?

We'll win one of our first two.
 
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One thing that stood out to me today was how Pitt is anticipating so much better with their help on defense. Guys were stopping penetration and did so with disciplined spacing.

A very important part of "defense" is securing the defensive rebound. Considering how bad we were with this aspect, it shows how well we were at defending when Colgate was possessing the ball.

I suspect this is how things are going to be this year.
 
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A guy gets double figures for points and 9 blocked shots and you criticize him? Sheesh.

TB changed the game. Once again an inferior opponent finds easy pickings at the start of the game. Terrel is subbed in and things settle down and we have a quick five or six point lead that never goes away.

Apparently Coach Capel isn’t bothered that he doesn’t have the cat like quickness of so many posters on this board.

Trying to figure out how the kid personally insulted you for you to be picking at him like carrion.
 
A guy gets double figures for points and 9 blocked shots and you criticize him? Sheesh.

TB changed the game. Once again an inferior opponent finds easy pickings at the start of the game. Terrel is subbed in and things settle down and we have a quick five or six point lead that never goes away.

Apparently Coach Capel isn’t bothered that he doesn’t have the cat like quickness of so many posters on this board.

Trying to figure out how the kid personally insulted you for you to be picking at him like carrion.
Because he could have done better. We need him to be better if we hope to compete in the ACC.
 
Great post, DT. Unsurprisingly, you've articulated something I've been thinking for a few years far more succinctly and effectively. It is the first half of a two-year season. That's why I couldn't buy in with Stallings. You can go 0-18 if the product on (and off) the court provides fans with a clear vision of the future and demonstrable growth. We fans didn't see that last year. This year, though, I can already see the future and I want in on the ground floor.

I also agree that we've perhaps overlooked Trey a bit. X has played phenomenally and all the attention and praise has been justified. But I'm in agreement that... just maybe... Trey has the higher ceiling. Either way, it seems like we fans are awfully lucky to have three freshmen to really root for.

I'm going to go off on a tangent here. I remember finding the senior tribute video for Fields, Young, and Biggs and watching it over and over. And... maybe having to fight off some dust in the room. Now a big part of that is because that overlapped so much with my time in college. But there were so many Panther greats that we had the pleasure of seeing mature from freshmen into seniors to send off on emotional senior days. The last 4-5 years, I just haven't felt that. We've talked a lot about how Dixon lost that linkage, and maybe that's some of it. But I also think Pitt maybe, just maybe, recruiting some players who were slightly harder to root for by the time they were seniors.

But now.... I think X, Trey, and Toney may help bring back some of that old feeling.
 
It’s much easier to slow a guy down and play under control ( ie. X ) than to expect a guy who just doesn’t have quickness or “a fast motor “ to all of a sudden develop it . TB just needs to put himself in the right positions to succeed and hopefully he continues to develop a feel for the game that improves his court awareness . Just like giving this team time to develop, you need to show a little more patience in the development TB .

Sometimes the other guys just happen to do a better job ( rebounding ) than you . Sometimes the ball just bounces your way too .

Just like Pitts unexpected loss to Niagara this team will beat several favored teams with either a great performance by them or catching someone on an off night . Their best nights are ahead of them .

I’d be far more concerned for Pitts future if JC showed he was a horrible bench coach than his lack of landing any early signees . His biggest strength isn’t worth worrying about !
 
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Great post, DT. Unsurprisingly, you've articulated something I've been thinking for a few years far more succinctly and effectively. It is the first half of a two-year season. That's why I couldn't buy in with Stallings. You can go 0-18 if the product on (and off) the court provides fans with a clear vision of the future and demonstrable growth. We fans didn't see that last year. This year, though, I can already see the future and I want in on the ground floor.

I also agree that we've perhaps overlooked Trey a bit. X has played phenomenally and all the attention and praise has been justified. But I'm in agreement that... just maybe... Trey has the higher ceiling. Either way, it seems like we fans are awfully lucky to have three freshmen to really root for.

I'm going to go off on a tangent here. I remember finding the senior tribute video for Fields, Young, and Biggs and watching it over and over. And... maybe having to fight off some dust in the room. Now a big part of that is because that overlapped so much with my time in college. But there were so many Panther greats that we had the pleasure of seeing mature from freshmen into seniors to send off on emotional senior days. The last 4-5 years, I just haven't felt that. We've talked a lot about how Dixon lost that linkage, and maybe that's some of it. But I also think Pitt maybe, just maybe, recruiting some players who were slightly harder to root for by the time they were seniors.

But now.... I think X, Trey, and Toney may help bring back some of that old feeling.

I think that it was very difficult to root for players and give them appropriate sendoffs with the seniors we've had the past couple of years. Young and Artis weren't exactly the kind of players that were easy to root for. And when they left, it was addition by subtraction. Stallings certainly didn't help make them better and that was also a contributing factor.

But we now have some very good freshmen and a very good coaching staff that just may change all of that perception very quickly. It's time to completely forget about what happened the past 2 years and move on to bigger and better things that await Pitt.
 
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I feel your comments about Terrell are very accurate. Congrats are due to him
because of the record setting blocks. There's no doubt he has improved under
Capel.... we are now going to see just how far come next week with the start
of ACC games. He will face Bigs of an entirely different level.
The 25 offensive rebounds you mentioned were not a factor in this game
because Colgate rarely was able to convert them into put backs. We give
up anything like that stat against ACC teams and those will be converted into
either fg's. ft's or both.

Another important factor in today's game is Capel's continuing influence
on our offense. No longer are our guards and wings forcing drives to the
rim and committing turnovers and offensive charges. The three frosh
have really improved in this area, as has Ellison. BTW, I mentioned this a
few games ago. Ellison especially has changed.....he takes what's there
and looks to dish off. I'm certain Capel has told him not to shoot any
outside jumpers. This makes me wonder why Chuka still has a green light
on threes?
I thought Colgate would be somewhat of a challenge...at times they were,
and at times not. They hammered us on the boards, but had no answer
for our guards and wings. Our defensive pressure was more than they
could handle. We totally kept them out of their offensive sets. Once again
our three freshmen were the most talented on the floor.
HCJC envisions Kene hitting 3's and drawing the middle out to defend him. Imagine what this would do for the wings and guards. OOC was the time to see if this could happen. Evidently it still plays out in practice.
 
I feel your comments about Terrell are very accurate. Congrats are due to him
because of the record setting blocks. There's no doubt he has improved under
Capel.... we are now going to see just how far come next week with the start
of ACC games. He will face Bigs of an entirely different level.
The 25 offensive rebounds you mentioned were not a factor in this game
because Colgate rarely was able to convert them into put backs. We give
up anything like that stat against ACC teams and those will be converted into
either fg's. ft's or both.

Another important factor in today's game is Capel's continuing influence
on our offense. No longer are our guards and wings forcing drives to the
rim and committing turnovers and offensive charges. The three frosh
have really improved in this area, as has Ellison. BTW, I mentioned this a
few games ago. Ellison especially has changed.....he takes what's there
and looks to dish off. I'm certain Capel has told him not to shoot any
outside jumpers. This makes me wonder why Chuka still has a green light
on threes?
I thought Colgate would be somewhat of a challenge...at times they were,
and at times not. They hammered us on the boards, but had no answer
for our guards and wings. Our defensive pressure was more than they
could handle. We totally kept them out of their offensive sets. Once again
our three freshmen were the most talented on the floor.
I think Brown can be a decent player. I think he can score in a variety of ways and he does block shots. He does lack quickness, does not move fluidly and is not physical enough.

I thought Ellison played too much early in the season and is perhaps playing too little now. He is losing time to K.Davis. Davis played with great intensity and heart yesterday but missed a couple of open threes.

Really good first half pretty bad second.

If you were going to pick the two HOME games Pitt was most likely to win, what would they be?
 
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This was a game we lose with stallings as coach.

The reason we won, and really dominated in the first half, is because we completely locked down their 3 point shooters which is colgate’s Game. With stallings’ defense, there would have been wide open shooters all over the place.

What a difference from last year as far as defensive style and intensity.
 
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HCJC envisions Kene hitting 3's and drawing the middle out to defend him. Imagine what this would do for the wings and guards. OOC was the time to see if this could happen. Evidently it still plays out in practice.
HCJC envisions Kene hitting 3's and drawing the middle out to defend him. Imagine what this would do for the wings and guards. OOC was the time to see if this could happen. Evidently it still plays out in practice.


Yes, I can "imagine what this would do for the wings and guards." Unfortunately
he is hitting a red hot 19% from three land in games. Last year I heard all about
how he would hit em in practice. I'm hearing the same thing again this season. What you do in practice as far as hitting shots is not the same as hitting em when the lights go on. I criticized his chucking up threes last year on here, and I'm repeating it again this year...... 19%.
 
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** For maximum enjoyment of the 2018-2019 Pitt Basketball season, allow me to make the following suggestion for Pitt Fans. Let’s look at this campaign not as a single season, but the first half of a two-year season. That is, a two year season that just might get Pitt Panther Basketball back on the map. A team that once again contends to get into the NCAA tournament.

** Personally, the inability for me to see last year’s campaign in the same two-year framework is what made it so difficult to watch. In short, I just didn’t believe then in the talent of our youth, nor did I believe in the previous staff’s ability to secure more parts to supplement the shortcomings.

** But this year I feel much differently, and I believe our freshman trio is the start needed to make this two year season work.

** Such an outlook makes it much easier to enjoy today’s contest for what was right instead of what was wrong.

** Such an outlook allows this fan to see a 14 point win against a decent enough Patriot League team as a decent win, instead of being dismayed that that our Panthers surrendered a hard-to-believe 25 offensive rebounds against that same foe.

** Additionally, this outlook allows me to truly appreciate a Panther record setting 9 blocks by Terrell Brown. In so many ways, this was a very good, and even promising, outing for Terrell. His shotblocking often showed the special patience needed to be an elite shockblockler.

** Offensively, Terrell also showed the various skills that makes one think he could have a brighter future as a Panther in the next year or so. His jump hook has always looked wonderful off of his hand, and it looks even better when it goes in like it did today.

** To the downside however, is that there are still questions with Terrell’s motor, and those were on display today as well. A good handful of the offensive rebounds Colgate snagged today can be directly attributed a straight out failure of Terrell to box out his man.

** And I’ll point out a fast break midway through the second half when Terrell was actually well out ahead of Xavier when X got the ball. Terrell had the chance to beat his man down the court for a chance at a finish, but he never really broke beyond a jog as Xavier flew by him.

** But blaming Terrell for surrendering 25 offensive rebounds is nowhere close to fair, as this was totally a team stat. Sure, plenty of the 25 were the long and bouncy variety. But a team without size needs to gang rebound, and our gang was rarely more than one.

** Some have suggested that my comments are a bit too hard on Terrell and perhaps that’s legit feedback. But for the two year plan to become what we’d like it to be, Terrell making the most of his length, athleticism and skills would seem to be a big part of it.

** So considering that we surrendered 25 offensive boards, it’s pretty safe to assume that the Panther’s were otherwise playing some excellent defense.

** It wasn’t the case today that the Raiders were getting open looks and just weren’t knocking them down. For most of 40 minutes, the Panthers made their life on the perimeter pretty darn difficult.

** Much of that hardship can be best attributed to Trey McGowens. While, I may have been a bit too hard on Terrell for the course of this out of OOC season, I also may have also been a bit too generous on Trey.

** But of all of our freshman, including the wonderful Xavier, I think Trey still may have the largest upside, and I feel this is starting to show itself. In his last 7 games, Trey is averaging 14.4 PPG, including hitting 9-21 threes during the same stretch. He’s also got 18 steals in his last 5 games.

** Perhaps you might be one who isn’t looking at the 2 year plan, and you are still holding out hope for what can happen this year. If so, you might be excited that Au’Diese also looks to be settling in with 34 point in his last 2 games. This includes 4-9 shooting from three after starting the season 5-26.

** While I’m encouraged with the foundation of the two year plan, allow me to resurrect the thread of this week from @gary2 asking what we have really learned from this OOC season.

** After all, we have played a very weak schedule against which a 10-3 record should not necessarily be considered an accomplishment.

** The record included two close tough losses against teams who could both be in the NCAA tournament, a good win against a team who could win the A-10, and a really bad loss against a team that won’t contend for anything.

** In between all of that, we soundly defeated the rest of the teams we played, which shouldn’t be insignificant considering that we struggled mightily with many of the same type teams in the OOC last year.

** To the contrary, last year we also never lost to a team as bad as Niagara.

** So now we begin the second quarter of this two year season. To continue my two-year season scenario, my hope is that we can scare up at least 4 more wins in the next 18 games.

** I’d feel a little better about this hope if we weren’t facing an ACC schedule where a win in our first 8 league games might be hard to come by. And if we start 0-8, can we somehow gain enough resolve to win 4 or even 5 of our final 10?

** Maybe Pitt’s biggest win in the next few weeks in my two year plan will come off the court. After all, for the two year plan to really be reality, we simply need to add more talent to our frontcourt, even if Terrell starts to put it altogether sometime soon.

** I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t getting nervous that these pieces have not yet been added. But I still have plenty of faith that a Head Coach who got Xaiver, Au’Diese, Trey and Sidy in his first five weeks or so to snag next year’s needed players in the next five months.

** Happy New Year to all of my Fellow Panther Hoops Fans!
Very good post.

As far as future recruiting, Ellison is seeing very reduced time. He could grad transfer, that would leave as many as seven open scholarships. I know we don't have to fill them all, but there is a lot of work to do.
 
** For maximum enjoyment of the 2018-2019 Pitt Basketball season, allow me to make the following suggestion for Pitt Fans. Let’s look at this campaign not as a single season, but the first half of a two-year season. That is, a two year season that just might get Pitt Panther Basketball back on the map. A team that once again contends to get into the NCAA tournament.

** Personally, the inability for me to see last year’s campaign in the same two-year framework is what made it so difficult to watch. In short, I just didn’t believe then in the talent of our youth, nor did I believe in the previous staff’s ability to secure more parts to supplement the shortcomings.

** But this year I feel much differently, and I believe our freshman trio is the start needed to make this two year season work.

** Such an outlook makes it much easier to enjoy today’s contest for what was right instead of what was wrong.

** Such an outlook allows this fan to see a 14 point win against a decent enough Patriot League team as a decent win, instead of being dismayed that that our Panthers surrendered a hard-to-believe 25 offensive rebounds against that same foe.

** Additionally, this outlook allows me to truly appreciate a Panther record setting 9 blocks by Terrell Brown. In so many ways, this was a very good, and even promising, outing for Terrell. His shotblocking often showed the special patience needed to be an elite shockblockler.

** Offensively, Terrell also showed the various skills that makes one think he could have a brighter future as a Panther in the next year or so. His jump hook has always looked wonderful off of his hand, and it looks even better when it goes in like it did today.

** To the downside however, is that there are still questions with Terrell’s motor, and those were on display today as well. A good handful of the offensive rebounds Colgate snagged today can be directly attributed a straight out failure of Terrell to box out his man.

** And I’ll point out a fast break midway through the second half when Terrell was actually well out ahead of Xavier when X got the ball. Terrell had the chance to beat his man down the court for a chance at a finish, but he never really broke beyond a jog as Xavier flew by him.

** But blaming Terrell for surrendering 25 offensive rebounds is nowhere close to fair, as this was totally a team stat. Sure, plenty of the 25 were the long and bouncy variety. But a team without size needs to gang rebound, and our gang was rarely more than one.

** Some have suggested that my comments are a bit too hard on Terrell and perhaps that’s legit feedback. But for the two year plan to become what we’d like it to be, Terrell making the most of his length, athleticism and skills would seem to be a big part of it.

** So considering that we surrendered 25 offensive boards, it’s pretty safe to assume that the Panther’s were otherwise playing some excellent defense.

** It wasn’t the case today that the Raiders were getting open looks and just weren’t knocking them down. For most of 40 minutes, the Panthers made their life on the perimeter pretty darn difficult.

** Much of that hardship can be best attributed to Trey McGowens. While, I may have been a bit too hard on Terrell for the course of this out of OOC season, I also may have also been a bit too generous on Trey.

** But of all of our freshman, including the wonderful Xavier, I think Trey still may have the largest upside, and I feel this is starting to show itself. In his last 7 games, Trey is averaging 14.4 PPG, including hitting 9-21 threes during the same stretch. He’s also got 18 steals in his last 5 games.

** Perhaps you might be one who isn’t looking at the 2 year plan, and you are still holding out hope for what can happen this year. If so, you might be excited that Au’Diese also looks to be settling in with 34 point in his last 2 games. This includes 4-9 shooting from three after starting the season 5-26.

** While I’m encouraged with the foundation of the two year plan, allow me to resurrect the thread of this week from @gary2 asking what we have really learned from this OOC season.

** After all, we have played a very weak schedule against which a 10-3 record should not necessarily be considered an accomplishment.

** The record included two close tough losses against teams who could both be in the NCAA tournament, a good win against a team who could win the A-10, and a really bad loss against a team that won’t contend for anything.

** In between all of that, we soundly defeated the rest of the teams we played, which shouldn’t be insignificant considering that we struggled mightily with many of the same type teams in the OOC last year.

** To the contrary, last year we also never lost to a team as bad as Niagara.

** So now we begin the second quarter of this two year season. To continue my two-year season scenario, my hope is that we can scare up at least 4 more wins in the next 18 games.

** I’d feel a little better about this hope if we weren’t facing an ACC schedule where a win in our first 8 league games might be hard to come by. And if we start 0-8, can we somehow gain enough resolve to win 4 or even 5 of our final 10?

** Maybe Pitt’s biggest win in the next few weeks in my two year plan will come off the court. After all, for the two year plan to really be reality, we simply need to add more talent to our frontcourt, even if Terrell starts to put it altogether sometime soon.

** I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t getting nervous that these pieces have not yet been added. But I still have plenty of faith that a Head Coach who got Xaiver, Au’Diese, Trey and Sidy in his first five weeks or so to snag next year’s needed players in the next five months.

** Happy New Year to all of my Fellow Panther Hoops Fans!

DT. Thanks again for your dribbles. They are always enjoyable!

Regarding our giving up so many offensive rebounds, I wonder how much was our guys failure to box out and how much was Colgate's size advantage? Admittedly, i wasnt able to watch the game as attentively as I would have liked. I was distracted some by two toddler grand kids and in the 2nd half of the 2nd half by losing wifi bandwith at my Christmas location in Colorado. The last 10 minutes of the game coincided with Colorado folks doing their daily email catchup and I suffered through many freezes and other buffering issues.

I did think much of our late game problems were related to reduced intensity and related sloppy passing and ball handling. Perhaps there was some fatigue after the great intensity of the 1st half.
 
I think Brown can be a decent player. I think he can score in a variety of ways and he does block shots. He does lack quickness, does not move fluidly and is not physical enough.

I thought Ellison played too much early in the season and is perhaps playing too little now. He is losing time to K.Davis. Davis played with great intensity and heart yesterday but missed a couple of open threes.

Really good first half pretty bad second.

If you were going to pick the two HOME games Pitt was mostly to win, what would they be?

Well Gary, I'll respond, and I hope it doesn't open a ridiculously long thread like
your OCC post.
First of all, I hope you're right about Brown "being a decent player." Yes
he can "block shots." However you said it best in the rest of your first paragraph.
Add in lack of a motor (Capel says this all the time), and the rest of your first
paragraph explains why I have my doubts. You actually explained it. LOL

Answering your question about the two home games we might win....I see Notre Dame as a possibility. After that, I don't see any unless it's an upset. I do
think our best chances might be on the road vs B.C, Wake, and GT.
I've said all along I expect two wins. I also have stated that 15 wins total
would be an over achievement.
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Well Gary, I'll respond, and I hope it doesn't open a ridiculously long thread like
your OCC post.
First of all, I hope you're right about Brown "being a decent player." Yes
he can "block shots." However you said it best in the rest of your first paragraph.
Add in lack of a motor (Capel says this all the time), and the rest of your first
paragraph explains why I have my doubts. You actually explained it. LOL

Answering your question about the two home games we might win....I see Notre Dame as a possibility. After that, I don't see any unless it's an upset. I do
think our best chances might be on the road vs B.C, Wake, and GT.
I've said all along I expect two wins. I also have stated that 15 wins total
would be an over achievement.
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Thanks for the reply. I was thinking Syracuse and ND. Maybe (inspite of their current record) NC St.
 
Ha Ha. What a joke. He isn't even the starter and you want him to be Shaq. Good god what ridiculous expectations this fan base has.
You make my point for me. If he gave more effort, he would start. Nobody ever said they expected him to be anyone. Just to give 100% during the game. If he put the effort in that McGhee did, he could be special.
 
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Very good post.

As far as future recruiting, Ellison is seeing very reduced time. He could grad transfer, that would leave as many as seven open scholarships. I know we don't have to fill them all, but there is a lot of work to do.
From the Cheap Seats: regarding Ellison, he is what he is. He plays hard, and is a good 10 to 15 minute replacement. He was recruited over by the Redmen, and JC had to do the same at Pitt. JC has to bring in two quality wings for 2019. That does not bode well for Ellison because he lacks a mid range offensive game.
 
Grow up. Nobody ever said they expected him to be anyone. Just to give 100% during the game. If he put the effort in that McGhee did, he could be special.

Exactly! Criticizing a player's performance (Brown in this case) is not attacking him personally.
He is listless, shows no or little energy and intensity, while the rest of this team
is hustling their asses off. If you're an athlete criticisms like these come with
the territory.
For all I know, he might be a great student, the nicest guy on campus, and terrific
in the locker room as a team mate. It's his game that is criticized here and that's ok IMO. Nobody expects him to be "Shaq."
 
A guy gets double figures for points and 9 blocked shots and you criticize him? Sheesh.

TB changed the game. Once again an inferior opponent finds easy pickings at the start of the game. Terrel is subbed in and things settle down and we have a quick five or six point lead that never goes away.

Apparently Coach Capel isn’t bothered that he doesn’t have the cat like quickness of so many posters on this board.

Trying to figure out how the kid personally insulted you for you to be picking at him like carrion.
I believe my comments were fair as they included mention of his very strong points as well as areas he needs to improve. Terrell reaching his fullest potential is very important for this team. I hope he can get there.
 
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Exactly! Criticizing a player's performance (Brown in this case) is not attacking him personally.
He is listless, shows no or little energy and intensity, while the rest of this team
is hustling their asses off. If you're an athlete criticisms like these come with
the territory.
For all I know, he might be a great student, the nicest guy on campus, and terrific
in the locker room as a team mate. It's his game that is criticized here and that's ok IMO. Nobody expects him to be "Shaq."
Well Terrell can always tell his grandkids that he and Shaq were mentioned in the same breath...albeit in a distorted way, lol...
 
From the Cheap Seats: regarding Ellison, he is what he is. He plays hard, and is a good 10 to 15 minute replacement. He was recruited over by the Redmen, and JC had to do the same at Pitt. JC has to bring in two quality wings for 2019. That does not bode well for Ellison because he lacks a mid range offensive game.
Agree - Ellison has no outside shot and is a poor foul shooter. He is losing time on merit. I could understand it more of Ndir was available. He is losing time to Davis. I will be happy with that when Davis starts hitting threes, until that time, I prefer Ellison.
 
Agree - Ellison has no outside shot and is a poor foul shooter. He is losing time on merit. I could understand it more of Ndir was available. He is losing time to Davis. I will be happy with that when Davis starts hitting threes, until that time, I prefer Ellison.

Good description of Ellison. Watching the last few games it's easy to see how
Capel is affecting Ellison's game. He still drives the lane and he's good at it. He
beats his man off the dribble.....the difference is he now looks to dish it off when
the layup or dunk isn't there. He also isn't taking any jumpers.....my guess he's
been told not to. However, outside of shooting, he has a decent floor game,
he's very tough on D, and is a good leaper and fights for rebounds. He can
still get minutes as long as there are shooters on the floor with him. There's
always room for players that work their ass of in other aspects of the game
besides shooting. Ellison IMO, is one of those players.

Off season assigmnent for Ellison.....get a shooting coach, and shoot hundreds
of shots daily.
 
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Brown plays with his hands down by his side way too much. I think this offseason he needs to work on core and shoulders so he can get his arms up and play big and high.
 
Have a gut feeling Brown would be a lot more effective as a second big playing in tandem with a Wahab or Cockburn type strong big who would draw double teams inside.
 
Have a gut feeling Brown would be a lot more effective as a second big playing in tandem with a Wahab or Cockburn type strong big who would draw double teams inside.


If that were to occur, Capel would have to give up his 4-1 offensive alignment.
I assume he would, given that this year it's out of necessity IMO.
 
If that were to occur, Capel would have to give up his 4-1 offensive alignment.
I assume he would, given that this year it's out of necessity IMO.
Doubt Brown starts with another big under any circumstance.
 
Doubt Brown starts with another big under any circumstance.

I tend to agree. One reason is Brown is a Center, and if Capel brings in a legitimate
Big who is a Center, Brown would back him up. On the other hand, I could see
Chuka maybe starting along side that Center, since Chuka is a natural forward.
He has a half way decent floor game.
Oh yeah, one other thing. If that were to occur with Chuka starting at forward,
all the posters who love his 3 pt (19%) shooting, would be happy with his new opportunities to chuck em up from three land. LOL LOL
 
What Pitt needs is a guy to clean the boards . The best I’ve seen at Pitt were Sam Clancy , JLane , BShorter , Chevy and DBlair and the biggest one of them would be all of 6’6” . Put one of those guys on this team next to TB and we’re not worrying about rebounding . JC needs to find a guy with the Instinct ,tenacity and toughness of any of those former Panthers because it’s never going to be one of TB strengths .
 
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What Pitt needs is a guy to clean the boards . The best I’ve seen at Pitt were Sam Clancy , JLane , BShorter , Chevy and DBlair and the biggest one of them would be all of 6’6” . Put one of those guys on this team next to TB and we’re not worrying about rebounding . JC needs to find a guy with the Instinct ,tenacity and toughness of any of those former Panthers because it’s never going to be one of TB strengths .

You might add Ontario Lett to that list. All these guys were successful rebounders (despite their head height) because of their strength and, in Blair's case, also his arm length. He had the reach of a 6-10 guy. He is a classic example of length being important, or more important than height.
 
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