Comparing PSU's 10-2 with Pitt's 8-4

[Sean Miller Fan]

Against CFP contendors

Pitt 2-1 (Clem, PSU, OKST)
PSU 1-1 (OSU, Mich)


Against 9-3 to 7-5 P5 teams

Pitt 1-3 (beat GT, lost to Miami, UNC, VT)
PSU 2-1 (beat Min and Iowa, lost to Pitt)

Against 6-6 P5 teams
Pitt 0-0
PSU 2-0 (Md, Ind)

Against the worst teams in the league (4-8 or worse)
Pitt 3-0 (Duke, Syr, UVa)
PSU 3-0 (RU, Purdue, MSU

G5 or 1-AA
Pitt 2-0
PSU 2-0

As you can see, very very similar. PSU was very fortunate with the B10 schedule they got. They had 5 home games and 4 road games but 2 of those road games were against HS teams (Purdue and RU) that are impossible to lose. So, really they only had 2 road games and went 1-1 in those games. At home, they squeaked by an 8-4 team in OT, played a great game vs another 8-4 team, beat a 6-6 team and 3-9 team, and of course beat Ohio State.

The difference between Pitt and PSU's schedule is this:

PSU went 4-1 vs P5 teams with records of 8-4 or 6-6, but 3 of those 4 wins were at home. Pitt went 1-3 against those teams but played only 2 home games.

7 of our 12 games were against teams 8-4 or better, 4 of those on the road. PSU had only 5 such games, only 2 on the road and lost both.

Pitt was 1-3 in road games vs P5 teams, 8-4 or better. PSU was 0-2. Here's your difference.

In a nutshell, if PSU plays Min on the road and we play UNC at home, we are both 9-3. That's the difference between #7 and #25.

 

[mbe 34]

The real difference is Pitt is a school that keeps football in perspective.
Ped State is an aberration. Worse scandal in the history of sports. Children raped and molested for years and it wasn't a secret. Highest fines ever from the Federal government. Over $100 million paid in out of court settlements. Students riot in favor of pedophile enabler....and its not over yet.

When you step back and look at Ped State it's just an embarrassment.
What our society is and the priorities we set.....Ped State is disgrace personified

 

[ncyajleel]

And even after all of that, the culture has never really changed. Football first, above all.

The real difference is Pitt is a school that keeps football in perspective.
Ped State is an aberration. Worse scandal in the history of sports. Children raped and molested for years and it wasn't a secret. Highest fines ever from the Federal government. Over $100 million paid in out of court settlements. Students riot in favor of pedophile enabler....and its not over yet.

When you step back and look at Ped State it's just an embarrassment.
What our society is and the priorities we set.....Ped State is disgrace personified

 

[pittmeister]

Nice work SMF. The comparison is legit.

However, I will say that Pitt's success is not defined by what PSU does. It is defined by what Pitt does.

I honestly don't think about PSU unless we're talking about recruiting or playing a game against them.

I haven't felt this good about Pitt football in a long long time.

 

[DT_PITT]

No way. Besides, I'm sure you're a frequent poster on their board too. I can just as easily talk to you here.

Joe knew.

And no matter what else you say or think, you know he knew.

 

[PittHOFs]

Pitt and PSU are basically on the same level at the moment. PSU got a few more bounces this year and Pitt squandered some opportunities. That's the difference!

For whatever reason Matt Canada went conservative against PSU in the second half. Allowing PSU to make a comeback gave them all the confidence they needed. If Pitt hung 60+ on them, PSU's season could have gone much differently.

 

[wbrpanther]

Against CFP contendors

Pitt 2-1 (Clem, PSU, OKST)
PSU 1-1 (OSU, Mich)


Against 9-3 to 7-5 P5 teams

Pitt 1-3 (beat GT, lost to Miami, UNC, VT)
PSU 2-1 (beat Min and Iowa, lost to Pitt)

Against 6-6 P5 teams
Pitt 0-0
PSU 2-0 (Md, Ind)

Against the worst teams in the league (4-8 or worse)
Pitt 3-0 (Duke, Syr, UVa)
PSU 3-0 (RU, Purdue, MSU

G5 or 1-AA
Pitt 2-0
PSU 2-0

As you can see, very very similar. PSU was very fortunate with the B10 schedule they got. They had 5 home games and 4 road games but 2 of those road games were against HS teams (Purdue and RU) that are impossible to lose. So, really they only had 2 road games and went 1-1 in those games. At home, they squeaked by an 8-4 team in OT, played a great game vs another 8-4 team, beat a 6-6 team and 3-9 team, and of course beat Ohio State.

The difference between Pitt and PSU's schedule is this:

PSU went 4-1 vs P5 teams with records of 8-4 or 6-6, but 3 of those 4 wins were at home. Pitt went 1-3 against those teams but played only 2 home games.

7 of our 12 games were against teams 8-4 or better, 4 of those on the road. PSU had only 5 such games, only 2 on the road and lost both.

Pitt was 1-3 in road games vs P5 teams, 8-4 or better. PSU was 0-2. Here's your difference.

In a nutshell, if PSU plays Min on the road and we play UNC at home, we are both 9-3. That's the difference between #7 and #25.

In a nutshell, I look at it this way.

Flip the schedules and Pitt is better than 8-4 and UPS is worse than 10-2.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

So these grass cutting degrees were not earned? yikes

"The Great Enabler" pioneered passing kids through school so he could tout his graduation rate. It is blatantly obvious that PSU profs were just giving grades.

 

[President Stache]

In a nutshell, I look at it this way.

Flip the schedules and Pitt is better than 8-4 and UPS is worse than 10-2.

Best answer ^^^^^^

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Against CFP contendors

Pitt 2-1 (Clem, PSU, OKST)
PSU 1-1 (OSU, Mich)


Against 9-3 to 7-5 P5 teams

Pitt 1-3 (beat GT, lost to Miami, UNC, VT)
PSU 2-1 (beat Min and Iowa, lost to Pitt)

Against 6-6 P5 teams
Pitt 0-0
PSU 2-0 (Md, Ind)

Against the worst teams in the league (4-8 or worse)
Pitt 3-0 (Duke, Syr, UVa)
PSU 3-0 (RU, Purdue, MSU

G5 or 1-AA
Pitt 2-0
PSU 2-0

As you can see, very very similar. PSU was very fortunate with the B10 schedule they got. They had 5 home games and 4 road games but 2 of those road games were against HS teams (Purdue and RU) that are impossible to lose. So, really they only had 2 road games and went 1-1 in those games. At home, they squeaked by an 8-4 team in OT, played a great game vs another 8-4 team, beat a 6-6 team and 3-9 team, and of course beat Ohio State.

The difference between Pitt and PSU's schedule is this:

PSU went 4-1 vs P5 teams with records of 8-4 or 6-6, but 3 of those 4 wins were at home. Pitt went 1-3 against those teams but played only 2 home games.

7 of our 12 games were against teams 8-4 or better, 4 of those on the road. PSU had only 5 such games, only 2 on the road and lost both.

Pitt was 1-3 in road games vs P5 teams, 8-4 or better. PSU was 0-2. Here's your difference.

In a nutshell, if PSU plays Min on the road and we play UNC at home, we are both 9-3. That's the difference between #7 and #25.

The difference is the Big 10 bias.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

The difference is the Big 10 bias.

Nebraska got absolutely smoked by OSU. Yet Nebraska maintains a top 25 ranking similar to PSU in parts to an easy schedule.

The Big 10 is becoming the new SEC as many media are finally coming around and realizing that outside of Alabama there isn't that much elite going on the last few years so they are switching to Big 10 to fawn over. Having Urban and Harbaugh adds to the mystique

 

[steel_curtain]

Nebraska got absolutely smoked by OSU. Yet Nebraska maintains a top 25 ranking similar to PSU in parts to an easy schedule.

The Big 10 is becoming the new SEC as many media are finally coming around and realizing that outside of Alabama there isn't that much elite going on the last few years so they are switching to Big 10 to fawn over. Having Urban and Harbaugh adds to the mystique

-Iowa destroyed Nebraska too.

-The Big Ten has 4 teams with 3 wins or less. FOUR. The bottom of the Big Ten might be the worst in P5, ever. Its 4 free conference wins for teams with zero pulse. Maryland and Indiana dont have much pulse either.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

-Iowa destroyed Nebraska too.

-The Big Ten has 4 teams with 3 wins or less. FOUR. The bottom of the Big Ten might be the worst in P5, ever. Its 4 free conference wins for teams with zero pulse. Maryland and Indiana dont have much pulse either.

yes, everyone ignores that the bottom feeders in the big 10 are the worse in P5 and there are much more than one! AS you said, that is 4 guarantee wins. And the "non" bottom feeders like Iowa, Northwestern and Minnesota don't strike fear in many peoples heart, along with as you mentioned Indiana & Maryland.

But all everyone sees is Urban & Harbaugh. And PSU & Wisconsin have each got so much mileage over wins against OSU & LSU, much more than we got from beating Clemson AT CLEMSON!

 

[PantherO]

According to Vegas

PSU beat everyone they were favored to beat, plus 1 team they weren't
Pitt beat everyone they were favored to beat, plus 1 team they weren't

Difference was that PSU played more teams they were favored to beat.

 

[Breeze90]

The real difference is Pitt is a school that keeps football in perspective.
Ped State is an aberration. Worse scandal in the history of sports. Children raped and molested for years and it wasn't a secret. Highest fines ever from the Federal government. Over $100 million paid in out of court settlements. Students riot in favor of pedophile enabler....and its not over yet.

When you step back and look at Ped State it's just an embarrassment.
What our society is and the priorities we set.....Ped State is disgrace personified

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Breezy -

Hang in there! Spend the day putting the blade on your pickup truck as the snow will hit sooner than you think and you will be able to put your Ped St grass cutting/snow removal degree to use!

 

[raleighpanther]

Everyone agrees that the B10 isn't that good this year, and yet...they've got the #2, 5, 6, and 7th ranked teams. That's because, as others have noted, that the bottom of the B10 was very weak this year, so the ranked teams rolled up easy wins all year. And the middle was weak as well. Even MSU was bad this year.

 

[crosbymalkin8771]

According to Nit fans, we lose Canada and the vaunted o-line that Chryst recruited and we're screwed. Heck, not even gonna be bowl eligible next year


Never mind the talent (or lack there of) he left on defense.

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

The real difference is Pitt is a school that keeps football in perspective.
Ped State is an aberration. Worse scandal in the history of sports. Children raped and molested for years and it wasn't a secret. Highest fines ever from the Federal government. Over $100 million paid in out of court settlements. Students riot in favor of pedophile enabler....and its not over yet.

When you step back and look at Ped State it's just an embarrassment.
What our society is and the priorities we set.....Ped State is disgrace personified

Completely spot on. That is the real comparison. One school allowed the worst scandal in the history of sports to happen for the sake of protecting the football program and has fans/alumni that call the victims liars and money-grubbers. Pitt separates itself from its head coach after domestic violence charges, yet the move produces no rioting.

 

[TD_6082]

yes, everyone ignores that the bottom feeders in the big 10 are the worse in P5 and there are much more than one! AS you said, that is 4 guarantee wins. And the "non" bottom feeders like Iowa, Northwestern and Minnesota don't strike fear in many peoples heart, along with as you mentioned Indiana & Maryland.

But all everyone sees is Urban & Harbaugh. And PSU & Wisconsin have each got so much mileage over wins against OSU & LSU, much more than we got

yes, everyone ignores that the bottom feeders in the big 10 are the worse in P5 and there are much more than one! AS you said, that is 4 guarantee wins. And the "non" bottom feeders like Iowa, Northwestern and Minnesota don't strike fear in many peoples heart, along with as you mentioned Indiana & Maryland.

But all everyone sees is Urban & Harbaugh. And PSU & Wisconsin have each got so much mileage over wins against OSU & LSU, much more than we got from beating Clemson AT CLEMSON!

The reason Wisconsin and PSU got more mileage is because our fate had pretty much been determined by the time the Clemson game rolled around. We had just lost a home game we really needed to VaTech and then were spanked by Miami. It's hard to get a huge bounce no matter what you do when you are already a 4 loss team and out of your conference race.

On top of just giving up 51 points to Miami, we gave up almost 600 yds through the air to Clemson. When people look at that, you know they are going to use a little restraint in their opinion of Pitt simply because the defense is so putrid

Also, Clemson's MO is that they shit the bed on occasion. They came dangerously close several other times this year. That probably factored in as well. People tend to focus a little more on what Clemson didn't do instead of what Pitt did do, fair or not.

This season is totally different if we beat VaTech & UNC. We would be playing Clemson in a rematch in a game that would get a ton of hype. Thats not to say it's been a bad season at all, because it hasn't. But it was really close to being special despite our lackluster defensive play. This was an exciting and fun year, but it still irks me just a little to think what could have been.

 

[steel_curtain]

According to Nit fans, we lose Canada and the vaunted o-line that Chryst recruited and we're screwed. Heck, not even gonna be bowl eligible next year


Never mind the talent (or lack there of) he left on defense.

According to Penn State fans, Penn State thought they were going to beat Pitt by 3tds this year. Then 42-39 happened and they went disappeared into their turtle shell. The last time the big ten tried to flex was 2006 when Ohio state and Michigan were number 1 and 2 in the polls. Both teams got their ass beat in bowl season and the entire big ten got destroyed. USC generally drops the hammer on Michigan in bowl games,

 

[crosbymalkin8771]

I'll occasionally lurk BWI just to laugh at how arrogant their fan base is.

One of my PSU coworkers sometimes likes to say "I can't believe we lost to Pitt" as if they're some major force and we're chopped liver. Ok, keep thinking that.

 

[steel_curtain]

I'll occasionally lurk BWI just to laugh at how arrogant their fan base is.

One of my PSU coworkers sometimes likes to say "I can't believe we lost to Pitt" as if they're some major force and we're chopped liver. Ok, keep thinking that.

-I don't have a problem saying they have a good team this year. But they have by far the dumbest most irrational fans in this universe. At least half of them have zero knowledge or history for the game of football. I've read some of the dumbest comments I've ever seen anywhere on that very forum BWI board. I'd love to pick a fight with them in the off season and give them a lesson on football history. Maybe comparing all time teams. This past summer there was at least 10 different threads on that board calling me out when I said probably 100 times we would run the ball down their throat and they would fail to stop it. 42-39 and the rest is history.

 

[H2P-2007]

PSU has a good team - don't get to 10 wins even in a weak conference without being good. But they aren't championship/playoff caliber either.